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Avengers Vs. X-Men #12 - Round 12 Review

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The final issue is here. This changes everything…or does it? Find out what happens after the big events from last issue and how the Marvel Universe will be changed.

The Good

The twelve-issue story is bound to result in debates for some time. As we're reminded from the very first page, this all started when Scarlet Witch said "No more mutants" and changed the fate of an entire species. Cyclops has only wanted to right the wrong that was caused back then. With the Phoenix Force, he could have the power to do that. The problem is he may not be fully capable of controlling that power.

There's a nice debate in the comic as to who is to blame for these events. The string of events can be traced back a ways if you wanted to try shifting the blame on others. Is Cyclops to Blame? The Avengers? Captain America? Scarlet Witch? As you can imagine, the debate won't last long in this issue as words quickly turn to action.

With the lives of the heroes at stake and the drastic lengths Cyclops is willing to go to, the only chance the heroes have is Hope Summers and Scarlet Witch...but they don't get along.

The scenes of the Avengers and X-Men fighting Cyclops is one of utter destruction. It's gone beyond a battle of survival for the heroes, it's a matter of trying to ensure the world survives. And then there's Hope. For so long we were supposed to believe she was meant for something bigger. That just never happened. Even Hope understands that she's just been waiting for something to happen.

I'm just sick to death of waiting. Waiting around to become something or other.

Be careful what you wish for, right?

This crossover event may have had its ups and downs but I think I'm still a sucker for nice action scenes. Seeing the heroes lay it all on the line, knowing they don't really have much hope of winning is pretty cool. And he art/visuals by Adam Kubert when a certain flying person that hasn't been seen since the first issue shows up bring the Dark Phoenix down to Earth so the others can try their last attempt was pretty dang cool.

Often we hear the rhetoric that "everything will change" or "nothing will be the same." Let's just say there is a pretty big change here. This will have major effects on the Marvel Universe.

The Bad

I love Captain America. He doesn't stand down to anyone. But some of his dialogue was a bit much.

The Earth doesn't die on our watch!
Avengers! Take him down!

This is all impressive as he is willing to stand up to the Phoenix Force but still, it can be a bit cheesy.

While big things do happen, you can't help wonder if the entire journey was necessary. The extra length in the issue was nice but the events almost feel together too easily. There was still plenty of destruction along the way. With the new status quo set in the Marvel Universe, these past twelve issues felt like a long way just to arrive at this destination.

I'm also torn at the inclusion of so many characters. Having them here adds to the overall feeling that this was a big deal. It's weird that the Fantastic Four didn't bother to show up when the entire world at risk. Of course they could have been off planet or something but it's still odd. The downside of so many characters is some of the ones you really want to see take part in the action are reduced to either standing around in the background or lying unconscious on the ground.

The Verdict

Big things do happen here. Many readers have been clamoring for results and they will get shoved in your face. Comic book events should have meaning at the end of the run. We should get big results in order to pay for our commitment. It may not have been the smoothest ride but what happens at the end will indeed matter. We wanted changes in the Marvel Universe and they are now here. With all the recent events we've been seeing, this is the first time in a while there will be some long repercussions as a result. The bumpy ride was worth this outcome. If you've been hesitant about keeping up with this series, you won't want to miss this issue. From the gigantic fight scenes to the debates and conversations along with the birth of a new era, we finally get some consequences and closure at the same time. Seeing how the ramifications play out will be fun. As for the big change that occurs, all I'll say is it's about time. Make sure you're on hand to see how everything does change. You think you know the Marvel Universe? It's time to get to know it all over again.

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Posted by theTimeStreamer

first off the cover is MISSLEADING AS HELL. second i did not expect this. it was awesome!!

Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

The issue wasn't bad. IMO, the overall story of AvX was good to decent, but the writing hindered it. I'm really anxious to see what happens next. I was going to drop a lot of Marvel books pre-AvX, and Marvel Now may stop me from doing so. Let's see if they're able to keep me.

Also, Cyclops was right!

Edited by FadeToBlackBolt
@G-Man: Jason Aaron should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Posted by TheCrowbar

@FadeToBlackBolt: Whoa dude, it's his opinion, write a counter review if you disagree no need to be so hostile.

Posted by John Valentine

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@TheCrowbar: Yes there is need to be hostile, and that's not even hostile. That's freaking tame.  
 
Tons of idiots will buy this crap based on G-Man's word, and then Marvel get money for something that is a total abomination.  
 
And what's the point of writing a review on this site? It gets buried underneath ten 100 word spiels about "HOW COOL IT WAZ WHEN WANDA AND HOPE PUNCHED THAT DOOCH CYKLOPS IN THE FACE". 
Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

@FadeToBlackBolt:Goodness, Fade, ease up. A four star review for an event comic is different than a four star review for something like Daredevil. There are different expectations from both the reviewer and readers/customers.

Posted by the_fallen11

I try to stay fairly optimistic when it comes to comic books buuuuuut, this was some of the most predictable, cliché, boring reads I've had in a while...pretty disappointing.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@JoseDRiveraTCR7: So it's OK that this is crap, so long as it's crap for an event comic? What the Hell kind of message is that? Mediocrity and stupidity are fine, so long as they only happen in the publisher's largest freaking comic?
Posted by TheCrowbar

While I am annoyed with how it was handled, the direction Cyclops is in now is sorta awesome.

Everything he wanted, he got. Hope as the Phoenix? He got it. Mutant rebirth? He got it.

Cap came off looking worse in this series than Cyclops. Cap started this war, Cap invaded, Cap turned friend against friend. And in the end everything he was "trying" to prevent happened. Cap failed. Cyclops won.

Posted by theTimeStreamer

@John Valentine: avengers called. 'same to you'

Posted by Vulshock

One quick question. Does anyone know if i can use the AR app when i buy my comics on Comixology?

Thought the issue was all right. But something should have been focused more on overall. I would have liked to see more of Cyclops as Dark Phoenix.

Posted by John Valentine

@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

@FadeToBlackBolt:Goodness, Fade, ease up. A four star review for an event comic is different than a four star review for something like Daredevil. There are different expectations from both the reviewer and readers/customers.

Not really, they're on the same grading system. People won't automatically make a difference between the two. Moreover, one shouldn't expect the quality of comic drop just because it's an event comic.

Posted by CircularLogic

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

The X-men were never vilified. Only Cyclops. The entire event was, in fact, "The Marvel Universe versus Cyclops, and oh we'll make all the x-men except beast and wolverine join him for 2 issues before they realize Scott Summers is a villain and sheepishly return, heads hanging".

My review of the series overall: it wasn't good

Posted by Eggimann

This entire event has been disappointing. And by now i have kinda stopped caring about pretty much anything. I liked that they finally decided to start brining new mutants, but i kinda wish they would have killed off Cyclops though, would have been a good end to his character arc since Decimation. Just dont really see anything interesting happen to him after this. And it would be kinda hard for him to get redemption after all this shit. Overall like pretty much all events i have read, it just feels dull and aside from the last issues nothing very important or interesting happens. I hope Marvel waits before doing another event like this, but i doubt it, so in a year it will be another boring event that drags on for to damn long.

Posted by Dernman

Considering Cap's intention from the beginning was to prevent the world from being destroyed he won also. 
Considering we know Hope couldn't control the PF when she first got it he also was right.

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Posted by TheCrowbar

@CircularLogic said:

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

The X-men were never vilified. Only Cyclops. The entire event was, in fact, "The Marvel Universe versus Cyclops, and oh we'll make all the x-men except beast and wolverine join him for 2 issues before they realize Scott Summers is a villain and sheepishly return, heads hanging".

My review of the series overall: it wasn't good

Beast has always been an apologist for humanity's crimes against the mutant population. He's a really pathetic character.

Posted by 80sBaby

Gotta love NerdRage...

Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

@FadeToBlackBolt:There was different expectations and goals for things like summer blockbuster movies (or event comics). Roger Ebert gave 2012 four stars not because he thought it was a great movie, but because it accomplished what it was set out to do and gave what the audience for those types of films want. If you don't like event comics (which I don't) then this book isn't going to be for you no matter what. But there are people who do like event comics, and this review is for them.

Posted by John Valentine

@CircularLogic said:

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

The X-men were never vilified. Only Cyclops. The entire event was, in fact, "The Marvel Universe versus Cyclops, and oh we'll make all the x-men except beast and wolverine join him for 2 issues before they realize Scott Summers is a villain and sheepishly return, heads hanging".

My review of the series overall: it wasn't good

Cyclops is the X-Men.

Second point: Why does Cap consider Xavier to be one of the "finest men he's ever known"?

Has everyone forgotten about all the sh!t that was revealed about Professor X just a few years ago? Danger? The Krakoa X-Men team? Etc etc.

Posted by John Valentine

@TheCrowbar said:

@CircularLogic said:

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

The X-men were never vilified. Only Cyclops. The entire event was, in fact, "The Marvel Universe versus Cyclops, and oh we'll make all the x-men except beast and wolverine join him for 2 issues before they realize Scott Summers is a villain and sheepishly return, heads hanging".

My review of the series overall: it wasn't good

Beast has always been an apologist for humanity's crimes against the mutant population. He's a really pathetic character.

He's also genocidal.

Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

@John Valentine: Most people don't judge a comedy, drama, blockbusters, fantasy, sci-fi, etc similarly. Each are trying to accomplish different things. A four star review for one is not equivalent for a four star review for another.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@JoseDRiveraTCR7: Yes, because that's totally the same thing.  
 
A film is an independent entity. You go in, the story is done in 2 hours, you leave. Why are the Star Wars prequels so unanimously reviled? Because they're awful and destroy part of a Universe.  
 
Comic books, especially event comics, affect a huge universe. What happens in one will affect what happens in another. Giving 4 stars to something that is not only badly written, but also affects the Universe in such a colossal way, and does it so poorly, is just wrong. Being a reviewer is one thing, being blind to problems is quite another. 
Posted by TheCrowbar

@John Valentine said:

@CircularLogic said:

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

The X-men were never vilified. Only Cyclops. The entire event was, in fact, "The Marvel Universe versus Cyclops, and oh we'll make all the x-men except beast and wolverine join him for 2 issues before they realize Scott Summers is a villain and sheepishly return, heads hanging".

My review of the series overall: it wasn't good

Cyclops is the X-Men.

Second point: Why does Cap consider Xavier to be one of the "finest men he's ever known"?

Has everyone forgotten about all the sh!t that was revealed about Professor X just a few years ago? Danger? The Krakoa X-Men team? Etc etc.

I lol'd when I saw that. But remember this is coming from a guy that invaded a separate nation, constantly attacked its leaders, attempted to kidnap a teenage girl and then kept attacking a godlike being to incite his rage despite the world loving Cyclops. Then had the audacity, when he saw all his other plans against Cyclops failing decided to use Cyclop's original plan to make Hope the Phoenix.

Don't dare call this a win!

Posted by CircularLogic

@John Valentine said:

@CircularLogic said:

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

The X-men were never vilified. Only Cyclops. The entire event was, in fact, "The Marvel Universe versus Cyclops, and oh we'll make all the x-men except beast and wolverine join him for 2 issues before they realize Scott Summers is a villain and sheepishly return, heads hanging".

My review of the series overall: it wasn't good

Cyclops is the X-Men.

Second point: Why does Cap consider Xavier to be one of the "finest men he's ever known"?

Has everyone forgotten about all the sh!t that was revealed about Professor X just a few years ago? Danger? The Krakoa X-Men team? Etc etc.

Actually, pretty much all the bad stuff Prof. X actually did was retconned so that at the very least his intentions were pure, which is why Danger stopped trying to kill Xavier a few years back.

And saying that the entire value of hundreds of characters is moot when compared to one person who really most people found boring (I know cyclops has his fans, but still), is kinda silly.

Posted by Man of Lengend

liked it ... some people won't, but its a good way from MArvel Now to come in. so AS long as we get to that point i'm happy

Posted by theTimeStreamer

@TheCrowbar: good luck with your wrong conclusions. oh and where does killing prof x figure into scott's to do list?

Posted by TheCrowbar

@theTimeStreamer: "Things I should've done in 2008"

Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

@FadeToBlackBolt:He's reviewing ONE issue that ends ONE storyline. For all you know Tony may end up hating the repercussions. In the next few months we could see an article from him complaining about Marvel Now, the new books, and the direction of certain characters or even the Marvel universe.You're getting worked up over one review when quite frankly it sounds like you're more angry at Marvel.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@John Valentine said:

@CircularLogic said:

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

The X-men were never vilified. Only Cyclops. The entire event was, in fact, "The Marvel Universe versus Cyclops, and oh we'll make all the x-men except beast and wolverine join him for 2 issues before they realize Scott Summers is a villain and sheepishly return, heads hanging".

My review of the series overall: it wasn't good

Cyclops is the X-Men.

Second point: Why does Cap consider Xavier to be one of the "finest men he's ever known"?

Has everyone forgotten about all the sh!t that was revealed about Professor X just a few years ago? Danger? The Krakoa X-Men team? Etc etc.

Pfft, Aaron doesn't read that far back. Aaron's knowledge of the X-Men consists of his own Wolverine run and the films.
Edited by Cooke76

@TheCrowbar said:

While I am annoyed with how it was handled, the direction Cyclops is in now is sorta awesome.

Everything he wanted, he got. Hope as the Phoenix? He got it. Mutant rebirth? He got it.

Cap came off looking worse in this series than Cyclops. Cap started this war, Cap invaded, Cap turned friend against friend. And in the end everything he was "trying" to prevent happened. Cap failed. Cyclops won.

I LOVE Cap, but he did, indeed, come off as a giant douche in this series. I haven't picked up the book yet, but I'm glad those events in your spoiler came to pass (especially that last one). I would've been pissed otherwise.

Posted by theTimeStreamer

@TheCrowbar: at least you'll shut up now about 'what did scott wrong? blah blah blah'

Posted by TheCrowbar

@theTimeStreamer: Your rage fuels me.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

@FadeToBlackBolt:He's reviewing ONE issue that ends ONE storyline. For all you know Tony may end up hating the repercussions. In the next few months we could see an article from him complaining about Marvel Now, the new books, and the direction of certain characters or even the Marvel universe.You're getting worked up over one review when quite frankly it sounds like you're more angry at Marvel.

I guarantee that G-Man won't hate them. This site never gives negative reviews to big name comics, because God-forbid the Big 2 get mad at them and not give them exclusives.  
 
And it's ONE TERRIBLE ISSUE IN A TERRIBLE STORYLINE THAT HAS RECEIVED ONLY 3-5 STAR REVIEWS. It's an issue that you clearly don't want to see or address, because you're far more interested in sucking up to staff. Though to be fair, that has shown to be effective.
Posted by John Valentine

@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

@John Valentine: Most people don't judge a comedy, drama, blockbusters, fantasy, sci-fi, etc similarly. Each are trying to accomplish different things. A four star review for one is not equivalent for a four star review for another.

I get your point, but that's not any reason to allow something people are paying good money for to be average to poor.

I'd give this issue maybe a 5.5/10 (its main positive points being on the very end of the issue and the settup for Marvel NOW!) with the main event being maybe a 4.5/10 on the whole.

Posted by SolthesunGod

This was so bad it almost makes me what to give up on the medium of comics entirely. I'm not going to(other great books came out this week) but this is by far the worst storyline I've read in years. Possibly ever. I'm annoyed with myself for even buying that issue. The Avengers are totally irredeemable for me at this point and the X-Men are about to be written by the guy who made them so.

So basically Cyclops, Emma Frost, Magik, Magneto, Namor and Colossus are all to be arrested for what they did but the Scarlet Witch can wipe out an entire species and get off scott free, no pun intended.

Posted by TheCrowbar

@John Valentine: I agree, I think how they set up AvX was very poorly done and not researched properly. I can't imagine a Cap fan looking at this series and thinking this was a good showing of the character.

Posted by John Valentine

@CircularLogic said:

And saying that the entire value of hundreds of characters is moot when compared to one person who really most people found boring (I know cyclops has his fans, but still), is kinda silly.

I'm sorry, I don't get this point.

Posted by DATNIGGA

@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

Amen to that... honestly Im growing tired of hero vs hero crap anyway

Posted by Man of Lengend

I feel that this title will look so much better in TPB ,It was hard every month keeping up with this and understanding where every character was at. This issue was fine as a good set up for MArvel NOW which looks great. .......Thing I'm most excited for is Ultron War

Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

@FadeToBlackBolt: 1. I think this storyline is terrible, but I understand the job of reviewers.

2. I may drop most if not all my Marvel books depending on what they go from here.

3. I could give a rat's ass about the staff. I'm defending this review because I think people should learn to stop bitching about the ratings reviewers (on any site) give to

what they're reviewing. If you disagree with a reviewer's opinions on a consistent basis then you should find one that suits your taste.

Posted by Cooke76

@SolthesunGod said:

So basically Cyclops, Emma Frost, Magik, Magneto, Namor and Colossus are all to be arrested for what they did but the Scarlet Witch can wipe out an entire species and get off scott free, no pun intended.

Yeah, this pisses me off, too. Cyke seems to be getting arrested for saving the entire race the Scarlet Witch almost eradicated while suffering no legal ramifications to herself whatsoever. No wonder there are so many pissed off mutants in the Marvel U.

Posted by John Valentine

@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

@FadeToBlackBolt: 1. I think this storyline is terrible, but I understand the job of reviewers.

2. I may drop most if not all my Marvel books depending on what they go from here.

3. I could give a rat's ass about the staff. I'm defending this review because I think people should learn to stop bitching about the ratings reviewers (on any site) give to

what they're reviewing. If you disagree with a reviewer's opinions on a consistent basis then you should find one that suits your taste.

So, the job of the reviewer is to give an entirely skewed impression of the product? Well, this four star review has succeeded in that.

Posted by TheCrowbar

@John Valentine: All opinions are skewed.

Posted by theTimeStreamer

what i dont understand is WHY IS MAGNETO ON A WANTED POSTER WITH THE REST OF THE PHOENIX FIVE?!?!?!?!

Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers

It was a good...oh wait must conform... Bendis, Hickman and everyone at Marvel should be hung for the sake of humanity!!! I can't believe Marvel puts out this kind of trash!!!

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@JoseDRiveraTCR7: What's the job of a reviewer? To give an educate analysis of a series and provide an opinion that should, ideally, be indicative of the educated masses. To use your example; you think Roger Ebert would have kept his job so long if he said that the Godfather was crap and the latest Adam Sandler film was genius? No.  
Posted by TheCrowbar

@theTimeStreamer said:

what i dont understand is WHY IS MAGNETO ON A WANTED POSTER WITH THE REST OF THE PHOENIX FIVE?!?!?!?!

Because EVERYTHING is Magneto's fault. He has too much public baggage as a villain for it to be otherwise.

Posted by CrazyDogz

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

It was a good...oh wait must conform... Bendis, Hickman and everyone at Marvel should be hung for the sake of humanity!!! I can't believe Marvel puts out this kind of trash!!!

Agreed!! 100%

Posted by stormphoenix

@SolthesunGod said:

This was so bad it almost makes me what to give up on the medium of comics entirely. I'm not going to(other great books came out this week) but this is by far the worst storyline I've read in years. Possibly ever. I'm annoyed with myself for even buying that issue. The Avengers are totally irredeemable for me at this point and the X-Men are about to be written by the guy who made them so.

So basically Cyclops, Emma Frost, Magik, Magneto, Namor and Colossus are all to be arrested for what they did but the Scarlet Witch can wipe out an entire species and get off scott free, no pun intended.

I hate that now how is that fair at all?

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