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Arrow #207 - State vs Queen

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Count Vertigo returns and a decision is reached in Moira's trial.

Last week, Arrow escaped all of the madness in Starling City and gave us a little vacation as we went to Russia (well, it wasn't really a good time for Diggle, but I digress). This week, however, "State vs. Queen" dives back into all of the chaos taking place in Oliver's city and brings Moira's trial to an end.

I'm by no means cold hearted, but it was tough to feel any degree of tension with Moira's court scenes as they progressed. Worst case scenario: she's given the death penalty and she'd understand why and accept it. We'd see how this takes a negative toll on the family and we'd be treated to more CW-esque drama as a result. Thankfully, there's a big reveal with her conclusion. This is spoiler-free review and all that jazz, but I will say I was pleasantly surprised with the road they've decided to take and the sky's the limit with this one. Whether she's free or sentenced to death, they've used the case to bring about a much more interesting narrative.

To be totally honest, I've never really been a fan of Arrow's take on Count Vertigo. The fiend always came off a bit too over the top for me and it's tough to keep up the illusion that it's an actual bad guy instead of actor having a lot of fun with the role. It doesn't help that this episode drew some noticeable connections to Joker in The Dark Knight. Yes, their mentalities and goals are completely different, but their actions can draw some pretty strong parallels. That said, I will admit that I loved the conclusion with the villain. It was frustrated to think of all the opportunities Oliver had to take a shot with his lightning quick reflexes and accuracy, but still, it was very well executed (unintentional pun is unintentional). Without spoiling anything, let's just say it puts Oliver's new morals to the test and, given all of the factors surrounding him, it's an appropriate conclusion.

Roy and Thea have a solid moment and it helps me forget how unlikable she was last week. It's great to see Roy be a hero (so to speak) and truly step up and help her through this terrible time. Additionally, I really appreciate the way the writers decided to follow-up on the Felicity/Oliver connection which was finally brought front and center in the last episode. It's not blatantly thrown out there or randomly brought up -- the moment is fitting after everything that went down and his actions further support how much he really cares for her.

This episode's all about the final quarter or so because, man, it's loaded with reveals and it's all handled quite well. Seriously, they pretty much cover anything and everything they can in this one either towards end or with easter eggs throughout the episode (a tease for Barry Allen is blatantly thrown in there). Sure, I wasn't feeling much of the Vertigo and Moira plot, but I'd say the last few acts make up for it and warrant "State vs. Queen" a bump to 4-stars instead of 3. It ends on a mighty fine note and, if you've been digging this show (and you are if you're reading this, right?), it's sure to have you excited for next Wednesday. Oh, and the island story? It's about to get VERY interesting.

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@mia26: For real? Smallville sucked hardcore man, Arrow is way better than Smallville ever thought about being. Smallville had wayyy more CW crap than Arrow as well.

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I can't wait for another team-up with Black-Canary! Oliver being long distance and and Sara being close-range is the perfect combination! Also extremely excited for Barry Allen/Roy Harper hero reveals.

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The count was so lame and I'm not feeling the Felicity/olie stuff but the episode was ok

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Malcolm Merlyn is not only the worst enemy of Oliver but he also is the worst enemy of the people who watch the show, He bring two of the most annoying characters of the series.

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Great build up, but seriously, they have to do something about Laurel, now that the count is gone and Thea is getting some development, she's the only character that doesn't add to the show, i mean, watch those scenes with her, then watch the Thea/Roy scene, then the flashbacks, then Oliver/Felicity, then the scenes with oliver after he killed again those are pretty solid scenes, while any scene with Laurel makes me cringe and roll my eyes.

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@mia26: that's kind the point. It has wrapped itself in the "dark and gritty" visual asethitc only most of the characters look comical, Brother Blood's hood is waaay to big, Canary is busting out of her costume, it's gritty camp. And being "serious" dosen't mean you can't have fun, this show takes it's characters even the more unlikeable ones like Thea earnestly, which I welcolme.

Also Green Arrow hasn't always been a snarky playboy I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find some run where he was all Batman ass Batman. Ollie in the show is more black humored than just meaningless snark.

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@mia26: This show is more satarizing Nolan's staunch seriousness and the "dark and gritty" corprate mantra that permiated superhero cinema post-Dark Knight.

@ips:well considering that every character has been largely retconned in comics and that Arrow is a remediated property there is and never will be a "real" version of a character.

I rather liked The Count, he provieded a nice manical menace and totally fits the gritty camp of this show. For how this show started out as a no powers show, they've done a good job keeping the core concepts of characters alive and well.

LOL .... No it's not, as far as I've seen they are not "satirizing".They've taken the whole "dark, gritty and brooding hero" thing pretty seriously but it comes off as chessy for various reasons. Green Arrow is snarky, witty, and cleaver he isn't some dark and brooding dude that yells "YOU HAVE FAILED THIS CITY!" in a Batman/Bale growl that is bad compared to Bale's.

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@iron_turtle: Yea I think they've mishandled Laurel since the beginning. When the show started they justified her not being Black Canary by saying she does her fighting in the court room then they proceeded to barely ever show her in court and when she is she's kind of terrible at being a lawyer and only gets by based on the show's terrible understanding of how the law works.

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I just realized that Vertigo is Lincoln Lee from Fringe.

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@cyborg6971: For me I like both Hartley and Amell, Amell is more of a darker Arrow than what Hartley was, but I think Hartley did a great job also, and since they are different universes I don't see the point of comparing

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@ips: I certainly hope they don't take it in that direction. Sarah has already been established to be Oliver's equal and more. I feel that they have written Laurel into a corner and that there is little else they can do to salvage the character.

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@mia26: This show is more satarizing Nolan's staunch seriousness and the "dark and gritty" corprate mantra that permiated superhero cinema post-Dark Knight.

@ips:well considering that every character has been largely retconned in comics and that Arrow is a remediated property there is and never will be a "real" version of a character.

I rather liked The Count, he provieded a nice manical menace and totally fits the gritty camp of this show. For how this show started out as a no powers show, they've done a good job keeping the core concepts of characters alive and well.

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@mia26: Amell is 10x the green arrow hartley was.

Not really, Hartley had the personality while this guy from Arrow isn't even Green Arrow his Bat-Arrow. They pretty much ripped off Nolan's Batman trilogy and instead of making some of Green Arrow's mythos better they've screwed most of it and added that CW drama crap.

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LMAO !!! .... LOL .... What ? is this Bat-Arrow stupid too ? can't even use some proper grammer.

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@ips: Well last night he took 3 arrows to the chest then fell from about 20 stories up so I'd say the Count is done for.

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this vertigo is stupid. they need to kill him off fast. i don't understand why they keep bringing him back.

i wonder how many other powered characters they can rip names from for fan service without introducing a *real* version of the character.

Seeing as Sarah is the Black Canary. Laurel literally serves no purpose anymore.

when they kill off Sarah (for real) it'll be Laurel's motivation to take on the mantle and become Black Canary (II). what? you didn't see that coming?

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Seeing as Sarah is the Black Canary. Laurel literally serves no purpose anymore.

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@kingmark14: Yea, there's a whole shit load of people I would love to see make it. I made a list and everything

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@slamadams: actually it'd be cool to put Shiva in the show. Connor Hawke, too (as a kid)

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With this Vertigo gone, I hope they can figure out a way to bring the real Count Vertigo into the show. Maybe The drug dealing Count is the black sheep of the Zytle family or something and now Vertigo has a reason to target Starling. It's a stretch, but its also the CW so who cares

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@batpala: I don't find Laurel-hate very needless. She is actively terrible on the show in every way

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@scarletwitchfever: They've kinda talked around the Laz Pit. He's mentioned being in Nanda Parbat - a magical place like Tahiti. He also admits to kinda faking being dead. Now if Tommy ever shows up again and he aint a robot than we know Lazurus Pits are around.

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Really enjoyed this episode.

Malcolm being back means Lazarus Pits and I'm glad the Count is dead for real this time.

Thea being Malcolm's daughter was kinda obvious after they mentioned the affair and it's pretty irrelevant to the story unless they make her character do a 180. Thinking about it, I could see her getting kidnapped by Malcolm and trained by the League for a season or 2 and then come back as a brainwashed bad guy. This would also lead Roy to be trained by Oliver.

As for Slade, looking forward to his power up and did anyone else notice all the references to the Star Labs Hadron Collider? I'm guessing a certain Mr.Allen will take advantage of that

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I think this was a pretty solid episode, not terrible but not fantastic.

Very happy to see Malcolm's return! He's an interesting character, and I may be wrong but I think they referenced the Lazarus Pit, didn't they? I love all of the comic references in this, even the unimportant ones, too, like the fact that they have their own Bethany Snow on channel 52. They're nice touches.

I hope they do something with Laurel's character soon, though. She's become so predictable and boring.

As for Oliver and Felicity's moment, I'm not impressed. The set-up for Felicity's kidnapping was seriously stupid. "Let's just have Felicity investigate a truck full of Vertigo that is the known location of a serial killer, despite the fact that she has no training whatsoever." What logic is that? Please, CW, stop making Felicity the damsel in distress; it's getting old.

So, so much angst this episode.

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@mia26: Amell is 10x the green arrow hartley was.

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@joshmightbe: Argh, sorry. I have a habit of getting extra defensive because of all needless hate Laurel gets because she's less popular than Felicity.

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My feelings about Arrow's treatment of Count Vertigo(and Green Arrow overall) ....

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@batpala: I clearly stated that it was more their fault for it.

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@joshmightbe: Blame that on the writers, not her. Sheesh.

Anyway. I see Arrow is keeping up the incestuous undertones that the CW is known for.

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@illyanarasputin: She's actually being a pretty terrible lawyer but that stems more from the shows seemingly total ignorance of how the law works. For instance no DA in his/her right mind would ever put a guys Ex girlfriend on his mother's murder trial, for about 600 various reasons. Even if they got a conviction it would be enough to fuel appeals for decades.

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O man I love how audacious this show is getting and how it's able to just own up to the stupid soap opera melodramtic reveals. Cmon who didn't fist pump when Captain Jack came on screen!

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since Thea is Malcolm's daughter that means that thea tired to hook up with her half-brother Tommy in season one. "incest is the best bro"

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The final reveal was DEFINITELY "so CW" however it's more dramatic and a little fun for viewers who don't follow the comic books religiously, I mean whenever I see Katie Cassidy on the show or Willa Holland I think of Jesse McCartney and The O.C. REALLY glad to see Slade's going to be getting his upgrade soon (at least hopefully) AND this whole no one staying dead bit isn't that surprising to me... I mean no one stays dead in the comic books why should they in the series? Will it get tiring and boring after a few times sure, was I happy to see Sarah alive? No it was kind of cheesy and I honestly hope she dies in the future and Laurel becomes the Black Canary, but for now I'll deal with Laurel being the bad ass lawyer she's being. Oh, and Roy is turning out to be one of of my favourite characters.

Felicity ftw.

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So I just got done watching Arrow and wow. So will see a certain character getting an upgrade and a surprise appearance at the end. Just wow. I'm really surprised.

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Yes yes yes. Loved the final parts. Count Vertigo why can't you be like the comic book version. Malcolm, I love you. Slade will become deathstroke f-yes. Ivo is a beast. Brother Blood, and was that a nod to Solomon Grundy(Cyrus).

I guess you can say the dark archer always hits his mark.

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It was a great episode but the last 5 minutes were da best.

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They actually spoilt what happens to Moira because of the promo photos for next episode which show her at Queen Consolidated Once again, Laurel is better than everyone and yet she has very little to do. Let down.

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It was a very good episode. Definitely better than last week.

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@protoflash: I agree completely. I can't even count how many times I rolled my eyes at just how Joker knockoff the whole thing felt. I normally love this show but sometimes it tries way too hard to be Batman with a bow and arrow.

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And just when I think the show couldn't get anymore cheesy that ending totally made it extra cheesy. Still love the show though.

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This episode let me down in a big way. This was my least favorite episode of this show since the Huntress episodes of the first season. I really dislike Count Vertigo (at least I won't have to see him anymore). I also thought that final reveal was so soap opera I actually rolled my eyes at it. Still, a rare miss for this show and I am fully engaged in where this season is going.

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You know, I've noticed something. People who supposedly suffer events that, by logic, should seriously KILL them, are not dead. Everybody's defying death. I mean ,Oliver, Sarah, now Malcolm? What next, Robert Queen is still alive?

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