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Rachel Grey

Character » Rachel Grey appears in 1305 issues.

Rachel Grey-Summers is the daughter of Cyclops and Jean Grey from the alternate "Days of Future Past" timeline. She was forced to become a mutant "hound" and track other mutants before escaping to the present. Rachel has immense telekinetic and telepathic powers, and currently teaches at the Jean Grey School.

Where Was She Confirmed Omega?

#1 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

For the Omega-level mutant page, I need to know in which comic book Marvel Girl was confirmed as an Omega-level mutant. Does anyone know?

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#2 Posted by John Valentine (15778 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Uncanny X-Men # 206.

#3 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

k, I'll take your word for it, but if you have any more info on the confirmation, feel free to throw that in on the page

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#4 Edited by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Sorry I've just read Uncanny X-Men # 206 from cover to cover, but it doesn't mention mutant levels for any characters.  It's a pretty lame issue where she angsts over meeting Cyclops & Maddy Pryor, and then the X-Men fight Freedom Force in San Francisco.


I remember that back then Ray's powers were pretty weak until she absorbed some of the Phoenix Force left in the Holempathic Matrix Crystal (Uncanny X-Men # 199).  Or maybe it's the fact that she could contain & use the Phoenix Force which classes her as an Omega Level??
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#5 Posted by aztek_the_lost (30738 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

oh, its the containing of the Phoenix Force that makes her Omega, my question is, where do they say that? we're trying to keep that page as factual as possible and I know she's been confirmed, I just don't know what issue...

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#6 Posted by White Mage (18691 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Emma hosted Phoenix.  It has nothing to do with powers anymore.  Phoenix was emotion hungry.  As far as when she was confirmed, there was a wiki debate over her being an actual Omega level mutant.  In fact, the comparison was used (a bit) with her, Magneto, and other uber-powerful characters who haven't been confirmed (which is why I personally don't care about power-levels like that).  The Omega title came under attack because the issue (I don't remember what it was) where she was confirmed as Omega, was said to be at a time where it the name (Omega) hadn't even been coined to define power-levels, but more like a great threat.  Magneto was said to be Omega for the same reason of being a "great threat".  However, I am unable to bring up issues because wikipedia in all it's "Awesomeness" joined the Omega page with the "mutants" page.  So now, I can't find the debate. 

#7 Posted by IcePrince_X (4162 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Rachel Summers is a strong leveled telekinetic and telepath even without the Phoenix Force, her levels in all the cards I collected puts her power levels and projection to the highest level, in fact even more than her mother Jean Grey and Professor X, more definitely more than Emma. The problem with Rachel is that during her return she became a wimp in using her powers. She is no longer projecting the fullest extent of her powers since she came in.

Omega or not, she really is living up to the tradition of the x-gene of her parents. My theory of Rachel's immense powers is that she really is the daughter of the Phoenix, meaning the Phoenix Force living to the persona of Jean Grey. That is why I get the shivers when she is referred to as Phoenix Child... i believe this is not too far out since Chris Claremont is claiming she is one of a kind and the other Rachel we see, there are less than 5, are not really Rachel Summers but her namesake only. That is why the character development of Rachel can still evolve in this. 

#8 Posted by pixelized (62859 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio
White Mage said:
"Emma hosted Phoenix. 
I'm surprised you didn't say storm.
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#9 Posted by White Mage (18691 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"White Mage said:
"Emma hosted Phoenix. 
I'm surprised you didn't say storm."
Storm hasn't hosted her.  However, she was given a DIRECT comparison to Phoenix on SEVERAL occasions.  Including one when she was going for ALL of her powers.  Personally, I think Rachel should be removed until something is said that she is DEFINITELY Omega.  Until it is said, it doesn't count.  Storm and Magneto are perfect examples of this.
#10 Posted by pixelized (62859 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

The issue you're looking for aztek is uncanny x-men 208

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#11 Posted by pixelized (62859 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio
White Mage said:
"pixelized said:
"White Mage said:
"Emma hosted Phoenix. 
I'm surprised you didn't say storm."
Storm hasn't hosted her.  However, she was given a DIRECT comparison to Phoenix on SEVERAL occasions.  Including one when she was going for ALL of her powers.  Personally, I think Rachel should be removed until something is said that she is DEFINITELY Omega.  Until it is said, it doesn't count.  Storm and Magneto are perfect examples of this."
She has, it was in a What if or something.
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#12 Posted by pixelized (62859 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by White Mage (18691 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio
pixelized said:
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Luckily, "What Ifs" don't count.  In that version, she dies.  However 1 thing that I wish counted for her, is shown in Apocalypse's possible futures, where she has become an elemental being. 
#14 Posted by IcePrince_X (4162 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

Vulcan can also count as one of the What Ifs hosting the Phoenix Force.

#15 Posted by pixelized (62859 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio

and nightcrawler

and cyclops

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#16 Posted by John Valentine (15778 posts) - 4 years, 4 months ago - Show Bio
IcePrince_X said:
"Vulcan can also count as one of the What Ifs hosting the Phoenix Force."

He's Omega though.
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