Why Quicksilver is a superior speedster

#1 Edited by victorymaker (435 posts) - - Show Bio

I am comparing Quicksilver to Flash. I am sure you all have read the JLA/Avengers crossover. If you all remember, Flash was slower than Quicksilver in the Marvel Universe, but in the DC Universe he completely destroyed Quicksilver with speed. Now, why was this? Well, while Wally is but a mere human, Quicksilver is a mutant. He was born with his powers, while Wally was not. Wally relies on the speed force to run at incredible speeds, while Quicksilver merely has to vibrate his molecules at incredible speeds, and that allows him to run fast. Now, I know all of the feats that Flash has accomplished, and that he can run at speeds far greater than that of light, so great that it seems as though time itself is frozen when Flash runs, and that Quicksilver can only run at speeds faster than sound, but not at light, but that is beside the point. Quicksilver would be a much more reliable speedster to have on your team than Flash. Why do I say this? Well, if you all remember, Wally could not run at light speeds when crossed over into the Marvel Universe. He needed to have that suit put on him that allowed him to store up speed force from the DC Universe, and when he went into the Marvel Universe, he would be able to tap into that speed, thus giving him a speed boost to surpass Quicksilver in speed. But, what if Flash did not have any access at all to the speed force? Look at the comic. He got beat up by a bunch of random people with bats. You put Flash in a dimension or location with absolutely no access to speed force, and he is useless. He can only run at normal human speeds, while if you take Quicksilver and put him in the same dimension or location, he can still run at speeds faster than that of sound. Why? His speed is a part of him. It does not come from an outside source like the speed force. Like I said, Quicksilver can simply vibrate his molecules and move at incredible speeds because it is his natural born power. The Flash's power was not natural. He wasn't born with it. A lot of you people will say, "You are dumb" or some other stupid phrase, but clearly I am not when I have even acknowledged Flash's feats and how fast he can move with the speed force, but in the end, which all of the information that I have presented, if you need a more reliable speedster, Quicksilver would be your choice. But, of course if there was speed force, Flash, but no speed force, Quicksilver. He does not need to rely on an outside source to be able to make him run fast. 
 
-- This was recently brought to my attention a few minutes after I made this original post. Jay Garrick doesn't need the speed force to run fast. Well, he needs the speed force to reach light speeds. Without it, his top speed is the speed of sound, due to the fact that he is a metahuman, while Quicksilver's top speed is roughly Mach 4. Case and Point. Quicksilver is the more reliable speedster.    

#2 Posted by D-Dude (45 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow dude. Such a long para. 0_o

#3 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio

1. As you said in your eddit, Jay Garrick can run fast without the speed force(though not as fast).
2. Every DC Universe contains the Speed Force. In fact the only instance I think lack of a speed force has ever happened was in the Marvel/DC crossover.

#4 Posted by Red_Blade (2433 posts) - - Show Bio
@victorymaker said:
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I am comparing Quicksilver to Flash. I am sure you all have read the JLA/Avengers crossover. If you all remember, Flash was slower than Quicksilver in the Marvel Universe, but in the DC Universe he completely destroyed Quicksilver with speed. Now, why was this? Well, while Wally is but a mere human, Quicksilver is a mutant. He was born with his powers, while Wally was not. Wally relies on the speed force to run at incredible speeds, while Quicksilver merely has to vibrate his molecules at incredible speeds, and that allows him to run fast. Now, I know all of the feats that Flash has accomplished, and that he can run at speeds far greater than that of light, so great that it seems as though time itself is frozen when Flash runs, and that Quicksilver can only run at speeds faster than sound, but not at light, but that is beside the point. Quicksilver would be a much more reliable speedster to have on your team than Flash. Why do I say this? Well, if you all remember, Wally could not run at light speeds when crossed over into the Marvel Universe. He needed to have that suit put on him that allowed him to store up speed force from the DC Universe, and when he went into the Marvel Universe, he would be able to tap into that speed, thus giving him a speed boost to surpass Quicksilver in speed. But, what if Flash did not have any access at all to the speed force? Look at the comic. He got beat up by a bunch of random people with bats. You put Flash in a dimension or location with absolutely no access to speed force, and he is useless. He can only run at normal human speeds, while if you take Quicksilver and put him in the same dimension or location, he can still run at speeds faster than that of sound. Why? His speed is a part of him. It does not come from an outside source like the speed force. Like I said, Quicksilver can simply vibrate his molecules and move at incredible speeds because it is his natural born power. The Flash's power was not natural. He wasn't born with it. A lot of you people will say, "You are dumb" or some other stupid phrase, but clearly I am not when I have even acknowledged Flash's feats and how fast he can move with the speed force, but in the end, which all of the information that I have presented, if you need a more reliable speedster, Quicksilver would be your choice. But, of course if there was speed force, Flash, but no speed force, Quicksilver. He does not need to rely on an outside source to be able to make him run fast. 
 
-- This was recently brought to my attention a few minutes after I made this original post. Jay Garrick doesn't need the speed force to run fast. Well, he needs the speed force to reach light speeds. Without it, his top speed is the speed of sound, due to the fact that he is a metahuman, while Quicksilver's top speed is roughly Mach 4. Case and Point. Quicksilver is the more reliable speedster.    

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#5 Edited by drkhwk2001 (4570 posts) - - Show Bio

I give you credit for making a well thought out argument, and I know some will call it dumb or stupid, but I applaud your effort in attempting to make your case. Which healthy debate is about, not just going with the status quo. For without difference in opinions these forums wouldn't exist.
#6 Edited by Crom-Cruach (8935 posts) - - Show Bio

Normal speed means nothing. Flash and his evil counterpart Zoom are miles above Quicksilver in power. The thing is sure Quicksilver reaches mach 4, awesome really. While the Flash stops at the speed of sound without the speed force.
 
But there's the flaw in your logic. All speedsters in the DC universe can tap into the speed force and when they do, they can potentially shatter the barriers of time and space. They can move so fast they'll phase through matter and more.
 
Making an argument that Quicksilver is better because he doesn't need the speed force to reach mach 4 is fallacious because Flash has the speed force. Meaning that regardless of his max speed without it, those numbers are irrelevant because, they have no bearing on how good he actually is when operating at full power (that is with the speed force)

#7 Posted by Phantom Crusader (117 posts) - - Show Bio

Problem with the argument is that there isn't any place in the entire DC multiverse in which the speed force doesn't exist, so there isn't a place where Wally, Barry, Bart, or any other speedester won't have their powers

#8 Posted by xerox_kitty (17338 posts) - - Show Bio
@Red_Blade said:
" @victorymaker said:
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I am comparing Quicksilver to Flash. I am sure you all have read the JLA/Avengers crossover. If you all remember, Flash was slower than Quicksilver in the Marvel Universe, but in the DC Universe he completely destroyed Quicksilver with speed. Now, why was this? Well, while Wally is but a mere human, Quicksilver is a mutant. He was born with his powers, while Wally was not. Wally relies on the speed force to run at incredible speeds, while Quicksilver merely has to vibrate his molecules at incredible speeds, and that allows him to run fast. Now, I know all of the feats that Flash has accomplished, and that he can run at speeds far greater than that of light, so great that it seems as though time itself is frozen when Flash runs, and that Quicksilver can only run at speeds faster than sound, but not at light, but that is beside the point. Quicksilver would be a much more reliable speedster to have on your team than Flash. Why do I say this? Well, if you all remember, Wally could not run at light speeds when crossed over into the Marvel Universe. He needed to have that suit put on him that allowed him to store up speed force from the DC Universe, and when he went into the Marvel Universe, he would be able to tap into that speed, thus giving him a speed boost to surpass Quicksilver in speed. But, what if Flash did not have any access at all to the speed force? Look at the comic. He got beat up by a bunch of random people with bats. You put Flash in a dimension or location with absolutely no access to speed force, and he is useless. He can only run at normal human speeds, while if you take Quicksilver and put him in the same dimension or location, he can still run at speeds faster than that of sound. Why? His speed is a part of him. It does not come from an outside source like the speed force. Like I said, Quicksilver can simply vibrate his molecules and move at incredible speeds because it is his natural born power. The Flash's power was not natural. He wasn't born with it. A lot of you people will say, "You are dumb" or some other stupid phrase, but clearly I am not when I have even acknowledged Flash's feats and how fast he can move with the speed force, but in the end, which all of the information that I have presented, if you need a more reliable speedster, Quicksilver would be your choice. But, of course if there was speed force, Flash, but no speed force, Quicksilver. He does not need to rely on an outside source to be able to make him run fast. 
 
-- This was recently brought to my attention a few minutes after I made this original post. Jay Garrick doesn't need the speed force to run fast. Well, he needs the speed force to reach light speeds. Without it, his top speed is the speed of sound, due to the fact that he is a metahuman, while Quicksilver's top speed is roughly Mach 4. Case and Point. Quicksilver is the more reliable speedster.    

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#9 Edited by brc2000 (1686 posts) - - Show Bio

This entire thread is based on something in a crossover. I don't care if apparently DC considers it canon, unless both companies do so it doesn't count in my book. Besides the whole "no speed force" thing was added as a plot device just so QS wouldn't look like a complete chump.

#10 Posted by defaultdefaultdefault (16426 posts) - - Show Bio

it's a cool and well thought out theory, ill give you that. but it rules out the "when"
Flash has his powers, which is almost 99.9% of the time, and his powers at that stage
are in fact vastly superior to Pietro's. its also canceled out by the fact that Quicksliver in fact
has lost his powers as well, so his are in fact no more reliable.

#11 Posted by Hyperlight (7415 posts) - - Show Bio

it would take a lot to cut the flash of from the speedforce so i dont think he would be unreliable.

#12 Edited by tensor (6544 posts) - - Show Bio

this some crap an u make point only in a cross over does stuff like this  happens when it comes to speed everybody know flash is the  daddy for quicksilver an flash is faster  than quick silver with out the speed force an to put the icing on the cake quicksilver try having his own comic book but it did no sell fast enough he was too slow an thats life in the fast lane

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#13 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8935 posts) - - Show Bio

and let's not even mention the ultimate version, yuck!

#14 Posted by WoundingFactor (172 posts) - - Show Bio
Why Quicksilver is an inferior speedster:
 
The guy is mentally unstable and astoundingly arrogant. Regardless of the strength of his powers or reliability of them, the man himself is not reliable.
#15 Posted by rezairondroid (44 posts) - - Show Bio

@victorymaker: I beg of you... i want to say ,why he not join avengers at first time avengers is born.. he will better in avengers more than the X-men coz his dad.. i really like him.. coz his fast ,Nick name ,and real name of him, he is mutant and he get fast from his born.. and I know his fast more than THE FLASH... QUICKSILVER for the best faster and speedster ,strong and his name :D

#16 Posted by adamatiumman (109 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Edited by CreedmasterNeo (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I think you forget that the speed force is EVERYWHERE! Plus you seem to have forgotten that Barry Allen IS THE SPEED FORCE!!

#18 Edited by koshi_waza88 (2855 posts) - - Show Bio

So he suggesting quicksilver power if better cause it dont realy on speed force but that like saying thors better than superman because superman needs a yellow sun or even better ironman inferior to captain america cause he needs his armour.... what about jay garrick he didn't need the speed force and he is technically the flash

#19 Posted by Rezaujp (18 posts) - - Show Bio

@victorymaker: I'm agree and agree with you, I get it what you want to say to us, this is the best think i ever read from the comic book reader, so this is much've make a sense for me now, thanks for argue with this, i'm a hug fan of Quicksilver, so yes what've you said, you've a great sense and survey!

#20 Posted by xxironspiderxx (80 posts) - - Show Bio

well my question is , if Magneto has unlimited control of magnetism then couldn't Pietros muntant abilities evolve to where he can go as fast as he wants?

#21 Edited by kick_ass97 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Quicksilver is a mutant capable of moving and thinking at superhuman speeds. Originally capable of running at the speed of sound; exposure to the High Evolutionary's Isotope E made it possible for the character to run at supersonic speeds of up to Mach 10 and resist the effects of friction, reduced oxygen, and kinetic impact while moving at super-speeds. The character's speed allows him to perform feats such as create cyclone-strength winds; run up walls and cross bodies of water. It has been revealed that one of the reasons for his abrasive and impatient personality is that it seems to him that the rest of the world is moving in slow motion and that he is constantly waiting for it to catch up. As he once explained, "Have you ever had a day where you are at the ATM and you are in a hurry because you're running late but the person in front of you doesn't know how to use the ATM and they're taking forever? Now imagine what it must be like to spend every day surrounded by people who don't know how to use the ATM.

DONE !!!!

#22 Edited by captain-levram (57 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry but the flash ownz.. I like quicksilver but any flash will shred maybe except wally's Kid flash lol

Oh and the speed force is technically the 4 th dimension (its everywhere) comprised of sheer time, the reason flash can precieve the mist at the r.o.e...

#23 Posted by joshmightbe (26583 posts) - - Show Bio

By you're logic Makkari is superior to Quicksilver since he can run almost as fast as the Flash with no access to the speed force, his speed is part of him plus he's technically immortal.

#24 Posted by joshmightbe (26583 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly if you think about it Quicksilver is really only a mid tier speedster in Marvel and really shouldn't be held up as a comparison to Flash. Northstar, Makkari, the Runner and a few others are much faster than Quicksilver. If you start counting the folks not technically considered speedsters like Galactus' heralds who can travel across solar systems in the time it'd take most of us to get the mail his speed would barely even register.

#25 Posted by RobertoAngelGuzman (4 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by LegendCZ (6 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL ... I see when it's Batman vs Ironman you took his armor and tell he is done. But when we do it to DC character it's not ok? I mean what is wrong with u guys?

Also i agree with comment that Pietro can still evolve and be faster then Flash ... He just did not have need to do so ... Iťs like we should more discusse about if THERE IS chance for Pietro to evolve on Flash level with speedforce then just say "OMG FLASH SOMPZ PLZ U GO EWEY"

Sorry but most of you dont realize the point of OP ... And thats is ... If Flash wouldnt be buffed so hard he would be wastly defeated ... So how would Pietro would like if he would get on FULL power level like Flash did with speed force?

Also please dont take me wrong but you all just want to see Flash wins ... I also like him more cause he is kind, good, have sence for good and bad and he is funny time to time unlike pietro who is arrogant and as somone mentoied mentaly unstable. But i am also fan of Marvel so this is two sided for me and you should take it the same not just want to see your favorite to stomp someone.

#27 Edited by Divell (1189 posts) - - Show Bio

@victorymaker said:

I am comparing Quicksilver to Flash. I am sure you all have read the JLA/Avengers crossover. If you all remember, Flash was slower than Quicksilver in the Marvel Universe, but in the DC Universe he completely destroyed Quicksilver with speed. Now, why was this? Well, while Wally is but a mere human, Quicksilver is a mutant. He was born with his powers, while Wally was not. Wally relies on the speed force to run at incredible speeds, while Quicksilver merely has to vibrate his molecules at incredible speeds, and that allows him to run fast. Now, I know all of the feats that Flash has accomplished, and that he can run at speeds far greater than that of light, so great that it seems as though time itself is frozen when Flash runs, and that Quicksilver can only run at speeds faster than sound, but not at light, but that is beside the point. Quicksilver would be a much more reliable speedster to have on your team than Flash. Why do I say this? Well, if you all remember, Wally could not run at light speeds when crossed over into the Marvel Universe. He needed to have that suit put on him that allowed him to store up speed force from the DC Universe, and when he went into the Marvel Universe, he would be able to tap into that speed, thus giving him a speed boost to surpass Quicksilver in speed. But, what if Flash did not have any access at all to the speed force? Look at the comic. He got beat up by a bunch of random people with bats. You put Flash in a dimension or location with absolutely no access to speed force, and he is useless. He can only run at normal human speeds, while if you take Quicksilver and put him in the same dimension or location, he can still run at speeds faster than that of sound. Why? His speed is a part of him. It does not come from an outside source like the speed force. Like I said, Quicksilver can simply vibrate his molecules and move at incredible speeds because it is his natural born power. The Flash's power was not natural. He wasn't born with it. A lot of you people will say, "You are dumb" or some other stupid phrase, but clearly I am not when I have even acknowledged Flash's feats and how fast he can move with the speed force, but in the end, which all of the information that I have presented, if you need a more reliable speedster, Quicksilver would be your choice. But, of course if there was speed force, Flash, but no speed force, Quicksilver. He does not need to rely on an outside source to be able to make him run fast.

-- This was recently brought to my attention a few minutes after I made this original post. Jay Garrick doesn't need the speed force to run fast. Well, he needs the speed force to reach light speeds. Without it, his top speed is the speed of sound, due to the fact that he is a meta-human, while Quicksilver's top speed is roughly Mach 4. Case and Point. Quicksilver is the more reliable speedster.

Thor moves to the speed the lightning he commands (being this easily way faster than a normal lightning), while Quicksilver moves faster than the speed of sound.

The speed of lightning is 186,000 miles per second. and the speed of sound moves a mile in 4.689 seconds. After being captured by the High Evolutionary, where his powers were upgraded by Isotope E, his speeds have been increased until he was capable of easily reaching high supersonic speeds of Mach 4 (3,080 miles per hour), the true extent of his new speeds are unknown, though he has been observed outrunning Thor's lightning bolts, running from Tibet to Indonesia in a few seconds, and covering half the Earth's distance in 92 seconds. Though he has ran back and forth in time and created time displaced duplicates (which Stephen Hawking theorized to take speeds of 25,000,000 mph) it can be confirmed Quicksilver has moved at speeds faster than light. So yeah he is pretty fucking fast. Quick silver and Thor have the same difference of speed that Flash and Superman (flash being faster than Superman).

If Flash didn't had complete access to the force speed he would be as faster as Superman. In they bases if Quicksilver didn't had that enchantment he would be more slower than Flash at his normal speed. Flash at his base moves faster than Superman even when he didn't had any access to the speed force, the comic you mention had trouble as reading their powers and if it didn't wasn't for the fan-boys they would put them at their real comics lv. Being Flash still faster than Quicksilver. Being Thor capable of truly defeat Superman (even when Thor actually was capable of beat him the first time with a lightning and keep up with Wonder Woman in a fight). Hercules won't had lose miserably against Wonder Woman even stayed he is stronger and better fighter than Thor, and if I keep going another irregularities like Wonder-man capable of putting a fight against Superman and GL only with the help of Ms. Marvel (who is even weaker at his base). And batman and cap not actually fighting with all they got (even when both are too similar to stop fighting).

#28 Posted by CommanderandChief (549 posts) - - Show Bio

Quicksilver's a turtle to the Flash.

#29 Posted by ariesxmasters (4874 posts) - - Show Bio

Quicksilver's a turtle to the Flash.

I like them both as characters. Never cared who was faster, they're both fiction any character can be simply written faster, they aren't real.

#30 Posted by CommanderandChief (549 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by SlimJ87D (11921 posts) - - Show Bio

I love the Flash a lot more than Quicksilver. But I agree that Flash is too powerful. He should be more consistent and have limitations on how his powers work.

Quicksilver makes it a lot easier to write. He has a lot more plot device potential. His durability doesn't increase with his speed so much, therefore he can't run and throw a powerful haymaker. He can't take objects and add durability to them and I don't think he can vibrate through walls.

Quicksilver is a good way to write a speedster for plot reasons. This is why I'm enjoying CW Flash so much, right now he's just a fast guy, but has limitations that setup for a good story each episode.

#32 Posted by Ajax24601 (42 posts) - - Show Bio

To be honest, I can see Victorymaker's point. Comic book science is not an exact science, but to cross a dimensional barrier would alter that reality Speedforce Demention wouldn't be accessed in Marvel. BTW, Son of M Vol #5 has Quicksilver breaking lightspeed. I'm not saying he's faster, but he's not as slow as he used to be.

#33 Posted by KingOfKings1 (2093 posts) - - Show Bio

Slowsilver

#34 Posted by SodamYat (7908 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL

Flash is far, far, far superior.

you said :

Quicksilver would be a much more reliable speedster to have on your team than Flash.

LOL no. I easily prefer Flash over Quicksilver. Especially if im the JL team since superman, wonder woman, martian manhunter are all faster than quicksilver. so having quicksilver would be near useless.

#35 Edited by Atomix (700 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: Anyone faster than speed of sound can vibrate is body through walls, especially Quicksilver that is fast than light

But I agreed Flash is more fast than him

#36 Edited by SlimJ87D (11921 posts) - - Show Bio

@atomix:

Oops, I thought I got tagged in the wrong thread.

#37 Edited by ariesxmasters (4874 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know.

Quicksilver, and Thor would probably be considered way faster if they had more fanboys on here to do fan calculation for every speed feat they do, but they don't lol. So as a result on here Quicksilver, and Thor are slower than my car, and my car goes about 150 mph give or take.

Does it matter at all? No.

#38 Posted by Reactor (3123 posts) - - Show Bio

@atomix said:

@slimj87d: Anyone faster than speed of sound can vibrate is body through walls, especially Quicksilver that is fast than light

But I agreed Flash is more fast than him

So if I hopped in a supersonic jet, I could fly though mountains? Schweet!

#39 Posted by Atomix (700 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by ScouterV (4532 posts) - - Show Bio

...Didn't 'Buried Alien" beat everyone in a race around the universe anyway? I'm not even sure Quicksilver was a factor in this.

Anywho...coming soon...

Why Superman is a more reliable speedster than Quicksilver!

#41 Posted by X_Master (1 posts) - - Show Bio

all of you made good points but no one said how the flash didn't use speed force in young justice or his son or his great grandson or whatever NO ONE IN THE FLASHES FAMILY USED SPEED FORCE AND IMPULSE USED THE SAME ABILITIES AS QUICKSILVER BUT WITH MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE AND TO A BETTER AND MORE POWERFUL EXTENT HE USED HIS ABILITY TO MAKE HIS MOLECULES MOVE FAST TO GO THROUGH SOLID MATTER

#42 Edited by FuriousWeasel (146 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I understand from the Avengers/JLA crossover Flash is faster in the DC multiverse because he can access the speed force whereas Quicksilver is faster in the Marvel multiverse. If they battled in a neutral realm outside of Marvel and DC, Quicksilver would probably take the win because again there is no speed force. (I do wonder if Pietro could learn to tap the speed force if he spent any length of time in a DC reality)

#43 Posted by oceanmaster21 (12001 posts) - - Show Bio

Quicksilver is better at everything,than flash pietro is even way cooer, He wat got me into Marvel.

#44 Posted by KroNic (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@victorymaker: Let me make it simple for you. Wally can't bring the speed force into the Marvel universe because he didn't create the speed force, Barry Allen did which means Barry can leave Quicksilver with shit in his mouth anytime and anywhere. When Flash runs, he sees everything and everyone. He can perceive events in LESS then a attosecond which is the shortest gap in between time. The speed force can help Flash see things happen before it even happens so yeah Quicksilver is way slower then Flash. Flash even left Superman miles away.

#45 Posted by hot_curry (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@victorymaker: I understand that you make a valid point with the little knowledge the you possess. However, there are many flaws in your paragraph. For example, you continue to compare quicksilver to Wally West who is NOT the quickest flash. It is Barry Allen. You also constantly refer to the speed force as "an outside force" where in reality it is not. When the lightning bolt with the star labs chemicals struck Barry Allen it gave him the power of the speed force, he didn't get it from the suit. Sure he needs the suit to protect himself from his own speed because he is running past Mach 24!!! That makes quicksilver's Mach 10 look like a pile of shit sitting still in the middle of the road. When Barry reaches the speed force potential he can run through solid objects or even through time itself! Which are both things that his character has done. And that is why Barry Allen's Flash is the fastest man alive AND the superior speedster. *drops microphone

#47 Edited by HancovichTheDark (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Now there was a point in time where the flash saved 500,000 people from a nuclear bomb. It said he moved 13 trillion times the speed of light.

Now the measure of the speed of light is 670,616,629 mph. that number multiplied by 13,000,000,000,000 is much larger than the highest speed quicksilver has run, which is 7612.07051 mph.

Now based on the actual numeric factor The Flash is actually faster than Quicksilver, who needed an outside source to come close to lightspeed.

@victorymaker The only way to actually say who is more reliable is if we knew what universe they were in. If it were the marvel universe I would agree but we are talking about OUR universe.

We can't tell or prove whether or not our universe has the speed force or not. Even then, Barry Allen is faster than Quicksilver without having to tap into the speed force.

Another term to recognize for reliability is the person themselves. The Flash is an outstanding superhuman whos loyalties lies on the side of justice.

Unlike The Flash, Quicksilver has changed his loyalties multiple times. We can't really count on him for that reason.

So I would have to disagree with you, The Flash is more reliable on all standing points.

#48 Posted by speedster_95 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

well,it is known that barry allen's accident was the one which triggered the existence of speed force.. He is one with the speed force. And so,even if he is present in the marvel universe, he won't be needing the suit which wally had in the crossover.. And he is ftl, like 100000 times ftl.. And quicksilver 's top speed is mach 5 i guess.. So there's no argument here!!

#49 Posted by vaisakh (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Quicksilver has something the flash does not. An overprotective psychic sister with abilities to alter reality in unspecific ways. What if I told you Wanda could create a reality where speed force doesn't exist at all :P

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