Avengers vs. X-men The Movie

#1 Posted by danhimself (22480 posts) - - Show Bio

Well not really.

We've already seen confirmation that Whedon plans on using Quicksilver along with his sister the Scarlet Witch in Avengers 2. Well it looks like Quicksilver will be appearing in two movies.

Bryan Singer tweeted this today:

"Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver."

Now when I read this I immediately jumped to the conclusion that maybe Fox and Marvel/Disney had come to some sort of agreement and that what we would be seeing is a younger Pietro in X-men and an older Pietro in Avengers 2. But it seems that neither studio has come to any sort of an agreement and it turns out that they're desperately trying to outdo each other and that if either studio could get the other to not use the character then they would. Rumors say that Quicksilver will have a small role/cameo but be a big plot point in X-men but Whedon plans on using the character and building him up in Avengers.

#2 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a mutant and should be in X-Men he is NOT an Inhuman and should not be in Avengers

#3 Edited by Teerack (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a mutant and should be in X-Men he is NOT an Inhuman and should not be in Avengers

He's a mutant, but he was in the brotherhood of evil for like 5 years, and then him and his sister were Avengers for like 45 years....(in real world time)

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch may be mutants but they were NEVER X-Men, so it makes a lot more sense for them to be in Avengers.

#4 Edited by novi_homines (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

He's a mutant and should be in X-Men he is NOT an Inhuman and should not be in Avengers

He's a mutant, but he was in the brotherhood of evil for like 5 years, and then him and his sister were Avengers for like 45 years....(in real world time)

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch may be mutants but they were NEVER X-Men, so it makes a lot more sense for them to be in Avengers.

This. If we're talking about who had them first, it would be the Avengers. I however would rather have the X-Men use them because it just makes more sense. I think Singer is just being an ass though. Don't they already have a script and started filming already? Why do this? It seems too late to be adding characters to the film.

#5 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

He's a mutant and should be in X-Men he is NOT an Inhuman and should not be in Avengers

He's a mutant, but he was in the brotherhood of evil for like 5 years, and then him and his sister were Avengers for like 45 years....(in real world time)

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch may be mutants but they were NEVER X-Men, so it makes a lot more sense for them to be in Avengers.

This. If we're talking about who had them first, it would be the Avengers. I however would rather have the X-Men use them because it just makes more sense. I think Singer is just being an ass though. Don't they already have a script and started filming already? Why do this? It seems too late to be adding characters to the film.

It doesn't mater, Quicksilver is a mutant and should be in a film about mutants, they don't even exist in the MCU and are just going to shoe horn Terrigen Mist in to his origin just to get him to fit. Without Mutants, without Magneto and without X-Men the character is rendered pointless.

#6 Posted by danhimself (22480 posts) - - Show Bio

from what they're saying Singer is only using him because he needs a speedster or something for a small cameo and Whedon actually wants to develop the character....with that I'd say I'd rather him just appear in the Avengers

I'd much rather them get along and just make a shared universe

#7 Edited by Teerack (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

@novi_homines said:If y

@teerack said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

He's a mutant and should be in X-Men he is NOT an Inhuman and should not be in Avengers

He's a mutant, but he was in the brotherhood of evil for like 5 years, and then him and his sister were Avengers for like 45 years....(in real world time)

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch may be mutants but they were NEVER X-Men, so it makes a lot more sense for them to be in Avengers.

This. If we're talking about who had them first, it would be the Avengers. I however would rather have the X-Men use them because it just makes more sense. I think Singer is just being an ass though. Don't they already have a script and started filming already? Why do this? It seems too late to be adding characters to the film.

It doesn't mater, Quicksilver is a mutant and should be in a film about mutants, they don't even exist in the MCU and are just going to shoe horn Terrigen Mist in to his origin just to get him to fit. Without Mutants, without Magneto and without X-Men the character is rendered pointless.

If you really think that you're not a QS fan.

#8 Posted by Farkam (4875 posts) - - Show Bio

While i'm rather indifferent to the character, at least we know Whedon will treat him with respect, unlike Singer.

#9 Posted by LaserLambert (636 posts) - - Show Bio

So they've been shooting for a while, and just now decided to cast Quicksilver.

If they are not doing this out of spite, then they are... whatever-THEY'RE DOING THIS OUT OF SPITE.

Did they actually write him into the script of days of future past? or are they just cramming him into some action scene like they did with Psylocke in X3?

#10 Posted by novi_homines (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@novi_homines said:

@teerack said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

He's a mutant and should be in X-Men he is NOT an Inhuman and should not be in Avengers

He's a mutant, but he was in the brotherhood of evil for like 5 years, and then him and his sister were Avengers for like 45 years....(in real world time)

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch may be mutants but they were NEVER X-Men, so it makes a lot more sense for them to be in Avengers.

This. If we're talking about who had them first, it would be the Avengers. I however would rather have the X-Men use them because it just makes more sense. I think Singer is just being an ass though. Don't they already have a script and started filming already? Why do this? It seems too late to be adding characters to the film.

It doesn't mater, Quicksilver is a mutant and should be in a film about mutants, they don't even exist in the MCU and are just going to shoe horn Terrigen Mist in to his origin just to get him to fit. Without Mutants, without Magneto and without X-Men the character is rendered pointless.

How exactly? Every other avenger has powers. Lol I don't think it will matter to most. Especially since they debuted as avengers first and foremost. My point is, if Singer needed to use them for the story, fine. But this just seems like he gained interest in them because Marvel was about to use them.

#11 Posted by novi_homines (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

So they've been shooting for a while, and just now decided to cast Quicksilver.

If they are not doing this out of spite, then they are... whatever-THEY'RE DOING THIS OUT OF SPITE.

Did they actually write him into the script of days of future past? or are they just cramming him into some action scene like they did with Psylocke in X3?

This. Seems to be out of spite. I doubt Quicksilver has a major role, which is a shame. If they're going to use him, he must have a major role.

#12 Posted by TheFirstLantern (1505 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish they would just make a deal and use him in DOFP and Avengers 2. Have him be called Quicksilver in DOFP and Pietro in A2 using SAME actor

#13 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6252 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@novi_homines: Quicksilver did not début as an Avenger he was part of the Brotherhood and an X-Men character years before that

@teerack: Really? So the only pepole that are fans are the ones that wan't to see him radically changed, so much so that he's not even a Mutant or the son of Magneto?

To everybody saying "Derp there just casting him as spite" need to realise that's NOT how movies work, he was obviously cast before and this is just the announcement

#15 Edited by novi_homines (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@novi_homines: Quicksilver did not début as an Avenger he was part of the Brotherhood and an X-Men character years before that

@teerack: Really? So the only pepole that are fans are the ones that wan't to see him radically changed, so much so that he's not even a Mutant or the son of Magneto?

To everybody saying "Derp there just casting him as spite" need to realise that's NOT how movies work, he was obviously cast before and this is just the announcement

- No he was not. Look into it.

- It was out of spite. Everyone was revealed late last year/ early this year.They had all of the mutants casted. Everyone from Halle Berry to Michael Fassbender came in, dressed up, and took pictures for the public all as a group, and started filiming at least 2 months ago. Yet pietro is the only one late to all of this. I wonder why.

#16 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@novi_homines: Quicksilver did not début as an Avenger he was part of the Brotherhood and an X-Men character years before that

@teerack: Really? So the only pepole that are fans are the ones that wan't to see him radically changed, so much so that he's not even a Mutant or the son of Magneto?

To everybody saying "Derp there just casting him as spite" need to realise that's NOT how movies work, he was obviously cast before and this is just the announcement

- No he was not. Look into it.

- It was out of spite. Everyone was revealed late last year/ early this year.They had all of the mutants casted. Everyone from Halle Berry to Michael Fassbender came in, dressed up, and took pictures for the public all as a group, and started filiming at least 2 months ago. Yet pietro is the only one late to all of this. I wonder why.

I don't need to look in to it, I already know Quicksilver first appeared in X-Men #4 in 1964.

You really think that Singer wrote an entirely new character that is the son of a pre-existing character in to the plot of a movie that is already halfway through filming then cast him, sign him and have announcement done in less than a week of Whedon saying he wanted to use him in a film that's not even out of scripting yet? That's not even possible.

#17 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5834 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, this is surprising news. I wonder how Quicksilver will be used in the X-Men film when he was supposed to be in the Avengers film.

#18 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm confused. I know both studios own shared rights to the character, but are they having two actors playing the same role? Might get confusing for audiences.

#19 Posted by Teerack (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

@novi_homines said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@novi_homines: Quicksilver did not début as an Avenger he was part of the Brotherhood and an X-Men character years before that

@teerack: Really? So the only pepole that are fans are the ones that wan't to see him radically changed, so much so that he's not even a Mutant or the son of Magneto?

To everybody saying "Derp there just casting him as spite" need to realise that's NOT how movies work, he was obviously cast before and this is just the announcement

- No he was not. Look into it.

- It was out of spite. Everyone was revealed late last year/ early this year.They had all of the mutants casted. Everyone from Halle Berry to Michael Fassbender came in, dressed up, and took pictures for the public all as a group, and started filiming at least 2 months ago. Yet pietro is the only one late to all of this. I wonder why.

I don't need to look in to it, I already know Quicksilver first appeared in X-Men #4 in 1964.

You really think that Singer wrote an entirely new character that is the son of a pre-existing character in to the plot of a movie that is already halfway through filming then cast him, sign him and have announcement done in less than a week of Whedon saying he wanted to use him in a film that's not even out of scripting yet? That's not even possible.

I said you're not a fan because you don't seem to know much about Quicksilver other then the very basics of his origin.(Almost as if most of your knowledge comes from cartoon shows) If you think his character is defined by his father or by a few skirmishes with the x-men during a very short lived career as a super villain you don't know what you're talking about. You really seem to just want to horde characters for the X-Men movies.

His dad could still be Magneto and probably will be. The logical thing would be to not mention his father by name until Marvel regains the movie rights inevitably. Just so you know not owning the movie right to X-Men means they can't have X-Men characters in their movies, but it doesn't mean they can't vaguely reference them.

#20 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@novi_homines said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@novi_homines: Quicksilver did not début as an Avenger he was part of the Brotherhood and an X-Men character years before that

@teerack: Really? So the only pepole that are fans are the ones that wan't to see him radically changed, so much so that he's not even a Mutant or the son of Magneto?

To everybody saying "Derp there just casting him as spite" need to realise that's NOT how movies work, he was obviously cast before and this is just the announcement

- No he was not. Look into it.

- It was out of spite. Everyone was revealed late last year/ early this year.They had all of the mutants casted. Everyone from Halle Berry to Michael Fassbender came in, dressed up, and took pictures for the public all as a group, and started filiming at least 2 months ago. Yet pietro is the only one late to all of this. I wonder why.

I don't need to look in to it, I already know Quicksilver first appeared in X-Men #4 in 1964.

You really think that Singer wrote an entirely new character that is the son of a pre-existing character in to the plot of a movie that is already halfway through filming then cast him, sign him and have announcement done in less than a week of Whedon saying he wanted to use him in a film that's not even out of scripting yet? That's not even possible.

I said you're not a fan because you don't seem to know much about Quicksilver other then the very basics of his origin.(Almost as if most of your knowledge comes from cartoon shows) If you think his character is defined by his father or by a few skirmishes with the x-men during a very short lived career as a super villain you don't know what you're talking about. You really seem to just want to horde characters for the X-Men movies.

His dad could still be Magneto and probably will be. The logical thing would be to not mention his father by name until Marvel regains the movie rights inevitably. Just so you know not owning the movie right to X-Men means they can't have X-Men characters in their movies, but it doesn't mean they can't vaguely reference them.

This has nothing to do with the cartoon at all. The very basics of the character is what there changing and that's why I'm bringing it up. Quicksilver is a Mutant in X-Men. will he be a Mutant in Avengers? No, at best he'll be an Inhuman. In the X-Men Quicksilver is the son of of the most prominent Mutant supremacist, will he be that in Avengers? No, at best we'll get like you said some vague reference of him being the son of some unnamed terrorist. There will be no duality to the character, no redemption from fighting for Mutant supremacy to fighting for just plain old good. We'll get a watered down originless character that has the same name and powers.

#21 Posted by Zearing (106 posts) - - Show Bio

I want Quicksilver in Avengers 2. You don't even have to explain his origin right away, they didn't in the comics, from what I understand, and I don't remember them saying much about Black Widow and Hawkeye's origins and they were in the Avengers.

#22 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@zearing: They explained his origin in the very first issue he appeared in

#23 Posted by danhimself (22480 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@novi_homines said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@novi_homines: Quicksilver did not début as an Avenger he was part of the Brotherhood and an X-Men character years before that

@teerack: Really? So the only pepole that are fans are the ones that wan't to see him radically changed, so much so that he's not even a Mutant or the son of Magneto?

To everybody saying "Derp there just casting him as spite" need to realise that's NOT how movies work, he was obviously cast before and this is just the announcement

- No he was not. Look into it.

- It was out of spite. Everyone was revealed late last year/ early this year.They had all of the mutants casted. Everyone from Halle Berry to Michael Fassbender came in, dressed up, and took pictures for the public all as a group, and started filiming at least 2 months ago. Yet pietro is the only one late to all of this. I wonder why.

I don't need to look in to it, I already know Quicksilver first appeared in X-Men #4 in 1964.

You really think that Singer wrote an entirely new character that is the son of a pre-existing character in to the plot of a movie that is already halfway through filming then cast him, sign him and have announcement done in less than a week of Whedon saying he wanted to use him in a film that's not even out of scripting yet? That's not even possible.

I said you're not a fan because you don't seem to know much about Quicksilver other then the very basics of his origin.(Almost as if most of your knowledge comes from cartoon shows) If you think his character is defined by his father or by a few skirmishes with the x-men during a very short lived career as a super villain you don't know what you're talking about. You really seem to just want to horde characters for the X-Men movies.

His dad could still be Magneto and probably will be. The logical thing would be to not mention his father by name until Marvel regains the movie rights inevitably. Just so you know not owning the movie right to X-Men means they can't have X-Men characters in their movies, but it doesn't mean they can't vaguely reference them.

This has nothing to do with the cartoon at all. The very basics of the character is what there changing and that's why I'm bringing it up. Quicksilver is a Mutant in X-Men. will he be a Mutant in Avengers? No, at best he'll be an Inhuman. In the X-Men Quicksilver is the son of of the most prominent Mutant supremacist, will he be that in Avengers? No, at best we'll get like you said some vague reference of him being the son of some unnamed terrorist. There will be no duality to the character, no redemption from fighting for Mutant supremacy to fighting for just plain old good. We'll get a watered down originless character that has the same name and powers.

from what the rumors are saying I don't think we're going to get much better from the X-men film either....it seems as though Singer just wants to use him as a plot devise and that's it....unless he got a solo film from either of the studios then I doubt that either of them will focus much on his origin anyway....DoFP is already loaded with a ton of characters and that already worries me...remember Psylocke in X3? most people didn't even know that was her until they were told in the credits...if Whedon can do the character justice without showing his origin then why not let him...the rumors do say that Whedon wants to actually use the character and build him up....we could still get his classic personality and really that's all we need

#24 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: It doesn't matter what happened to Psylocke in X3 that was a different film made buy different pepole . What I wan't to see is original X-Men characters appearing in the X-Men films. Next thing we'll see is Wolverine, Rogue, Beast and Storm appearing in Avengers. There white washing Mutants just so they can use them.

#25 Posted by Zearing (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

OK, I've never read it, I was just going from what I'd heard second-hand.

#26 Posted by batmannflash (6214 posts) - - Show Bio

i would like to see a connection between x-men and avengers in the film industry. so I would be really pissed if they used a different actor for the Avengers 2. It's weird seeing two actors play the same character at basically the same time

#27 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Quicksilver didn't even know Magneto was his father until nearly 2 decades after he was introduced. Up til then he had been under the impression that the Whizzer was his father.

#28 Edited by Extremis (3344 posts) - - Show Bio

A movie with that many characters would fall under its own weight.

#29 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5834 posts) - - Show Bio

@extremis said:

A movie with that many characters would fall under its own weight.

I agree. At first, I was happy that my favorite characters were appearing in this film, but after hearing even more characters being added to the cast, I can't help but be a little worried about who will have enough screen time or who would just appear as a cameo.

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