What if Punisher Wore the War Machine Armor?

#1 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

End of the world????

#2 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio

End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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#3 Posted by Lunacyde (17872 posts) - - Show Bio

thad be an interesting fight

#4 Posted by Lunacyde (17872 posts) - - Show Bio

thad be an interesting fight

#5 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department.
#6 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


"

Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill.
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#7 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight.
#8 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


"

Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech....
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#9 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


"

Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight.
#10 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


"

Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it.
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#11 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio

I made a mistake, Iron Man would have a hard time with Deathlok, Deathlok can lift 150 tons it would be hard for Iron Man to beat him but he will since he is faster and smarter and has more powers.

#12 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio

War Machine Punisher > Iron Man

Tony deserves an a$$ kicking anyway so.......YAY

#13 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
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I made a mistake, Iron Man would have a hard time with Deathlok, Deathlok can lift 150 tons it would be hard for Iron Man to beat him but he will since he is faster and smarter and has more powers.

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This is false as hell....Deathlok is only lift 50 tons.Iron Man could kill Deathlok in seconds.
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#14 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


"

Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it."
Because War Machine is slow and inexperienced he will lose so easily right? I know everyone got their asses cracked in WWH but Iron Man cannot beat War Machine so easily because he is faster, he could beat it fast because of knowing its weaknesses, its not like if he stays flying and blasting projectiles he will win, I know Iron Man will win this but you're saying he will win it so easily that it is not a fight at all. Iron Man would have a hard time with someone like Deathlok who can lift 150 tons and fly and run at incredible speeds, though he would win (Iron Man) because of his genius. I never said Iron Man will lose, I just said it won't be that easy, it might be a little easy but its not going to be so easy that he doesn't even break a sweat.
#15 Posted by Duke Checkmate III (361 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


"

Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it."
Because War Machine is slow and inexperienced he will lose so easily right? I know everyone got their asses cracked in WWH but Iron Man cannot beat War Machine so easily because he is faster, he could beat it fast because of knowing its weaknesses, its not like if he stays flying and blasting projectiles he will win, I know Iron Man will win this but you're saying he will win it so easily that it is not a fight at all. Iron Man would have a hard time with someone like Deathlok who can lift 150 tons and fly and run at incredible speeds, though he would win (Iron Man) because of his genius. I never said Iron Man will lose, I just said it won't be that easy, it might be a little easy but its not going to be so easy that he doesn't even break a sweat."
Theracles...I am giving you like a million advantages Iron Man has over War Machine and all you are saying is "doesn't mean he will beat him easily" When in actuality it does.Iron Man is a good ground fighter as well as an good arial combatant.Deathlok cannot lift 150 tons..he can only lift 50..stop making stuff up.She-Hulk lifts way more than 150 and Iron Man knocked her out with one punch.Stop acting like he's weak.It doesn't matter if you said Iron Man will lose,your acting like he can't easily take down an inexperienced person in his tech with inferior weaponry and physical capability.
#16 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
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I made a mistake, Iron Man would have a hard time with Deathlok, Deathlok can lift 150 tons it would be hard for Iron Man to beat him but he will since he is faster and smarter and has more powers.

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This is false as hell....Deathlok is only lift 50 tons.Iron Man could kill Deathlok in seconds."

No in Marveldatabse.com it states he has the potential to lift 150 tons not 50 tons. I've read it in 2 websites that Deathlok is able to lift 150 tons, where did you hear or read that he lifts only 50 tons?
#17 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Duke Checkmate III said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it."
Because War Machine is slow and inexperienced he will lose so easily right? I know everyone got their asses cracked in WWH but Iron Man cannot beat War Machine so easily because he is faster, he could beat it fast because of knowing its weaknesses, its not like if he stays flying and blasting projectiles he will win, I know Iron Man will win this but you're saying he will win it so easily that it is not a fight at all. Iron Man would have a hard time with someone like Deathlok who can lift 150 tons and fly and run at incredible speeds, though he would win (Iron Man) because of his genius. I never said Iron Man will lose, I just said it won't be that easy, it might be a little easy but its not going to be so easy that he doesn't even break a sweat."
Theracles...I am giving you like a million advantages Iron Man has over War Machine and all you are saying is "doesn't mean he will beat him easily" When in actuality it does.Iron Man is a good ground fighter as well as an good arial combatant.Deathlok cannot lift 150 tons..he can only lift 50..stop making stuff up.She-Hulk lifts way more than 150 and Iron Man knocked her out with one punch.Stop acting like he's weak.It doesn't matter if you said Iron Man will lose,your acting like he can't easily take down an inexperienced person in his tech with inferior weaponry and physical capability."
Ok fine he curbstomps War Machine but Deathlok can lift 150 tons, in marveldatabase.com it states that he has the potential to lift 150 tons, I have a comic book where Iron Man is having a hard fought battle with She-Hulk and then knockes her out, I don't know if he was holding back though it looked liked he was, where did you read that Deathlok lifts only 50 tons?
#18 Posted by Duke Checkmate III (361 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Duke Checkmate III said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
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"Theracles said:
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"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it."
Because War Machine is slow and inexperienced he will lose so easily right? I know everyone got their asses cracked in WWH but Iron Man cannot beat War Machine so easily because he is faster, he could beat it fast because of knowing its weaknesses, its not like if he stays flying and blasting projectiles he will win, I know Iron Man will win this but you're saying he will win it so easily that it is not a fight at all. Iron Man would have a hard time with someone like Deathlok who can lift 150 tons and fly and run at incredible speeds, though he would win (Iron Man) because of his genius. I never said Iron Man will lose, I just said it won't be that easy, it might be a little easy but its not going to be so easy that he doesn't even break a sweat."
Theracles...I am giving you like a million advantages Iron Man has over War Machine and all you are saying is "doesn't mean he will beat him easily" When in actuality it does.Iron Man is a good ground fighter as well as an good arial combatant.Deathlok cannot lift 150 tons..he can only lift 50..stop making stuff up.She-Hulk lifts way more than 150 and Iron Man knocked her out with one punch.Stop acting like he's weak.It doesn't matter if you said Iron Man will lose,your acting like he can't easily take down an inexperienced person in his tech with inferior weaponry and physical capability."
Ok fine he curbstomps War Machine but Deathlok can lift 150 tons, in marveldatabase.com it states that he has the potential to lift 150 tons, I have a comic book where Iron Man is having a hard fought battle with She-Hulk and then knockes her out, I don't know if he was holding back though it looked liked he was, where did you read that Deathlok lifts only 50 tons?"
1. Iron Man knocked Savage She-Hulk out during Avengers: Disassembled after she ripped the Vision in half.
2. Marvel Database.com doesn't say Deathlok can lift 150 tons....

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Luther_Manning_%28Earth-7484%29
Superhuman Strength: Deathlok's artificial musculature is considerably stronger than the musculature of an ordinary human. Coupled with his skeleton, most of which is composed of hydrolics and a durable, lightweight steel alloy, Deathlok possesses superhuman strength sufficient to lift about 2 tons.


#19 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Duke Checkmate III said:
"Theracles said:
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"Theracles said:
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"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it."
Because War Machine is slow and inexperienced he will lose so easily right? I know everyone got their asses cracked in WWH but Iron Man cannot beat War Machine so easily because he is faster, he could beat it fast because of knowing its weaknesses, its not like if he stays flying and blasting projectiles he will win, I know Iron Man will win this but you're saying he will win it so easily that it is not a fight at all. Iron Man would have a hard time with someone like Deathlok who can lift 150 tons and fly and run at incredible speeds, though he would win (Iron Man) because of his genius. I never said Iron Man will lose, I just said it won't be that easy, it might be a little easy but its not going to be so easy that he doesn't even break a sweat."
Theracles...I am giving you like a million advantages Iron Man has over War Machine and all you are saying is "doesn't mean he will beat him easily" When in actuality it does.Iron Man is a good ground fighter as well as an good arial combatant.Deathlok cannot lift 150 tons..he can only lift 50..stop making stuff up.She-Hulk lifts way more than 150 and Iron Man knocked her out with one punch.Stop acting like he's weak.It doesn't matter if you said Iron Man will lose,your acting like he can't easily take down an inexperienced person in his tech with inferior weaponry and physical capability."
Ok fine he curbstomps War Machine but Deathlok can lift 150 tons, in marveldatabase.com it states that he has the potential to lift 150 tons, I have a comic book where Iron Man is having a hard fought battle with She-Hulk and then knockes her out, I don't know if he was holding back though it looked liked he was, where did you read that Deathlok lifts only 50 tons?"
1. Iron Man knocked Savage She-Hulk out during Avengers: Disassembled after she ripped the Vision in half.
2. Marvel Database.com doesn't say Deathlok can lift 150 tons....

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Luther_Manning_%28Earth-7484%29
Superhuman Strength: Deathlok's artificial musculature is considerably stronger than the musculature of an ordinary human. Coupled with his skeleton, most of which is composed of hydrolics and a durable, lightweight steel alloy, Deathlok possesses superhuman strength sufficient to lift about 2 tons.


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I'm talking about Michael Collins.

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Michael_Collins_%28Earth-616%29
Superhuman Strength: Deathlok possesses great superhuman strength and is currently able to lift approximately 85 tons. However, his design has the capacity to potentially lift as much as 150 tons.
#20 Posted by Duke Checkmate III (361 posts) - - Show Bio
Theracles said:
"Duke Checkmate III said:
"Theracles said:
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"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
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"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it."
Because War Machine is slow and inexperienced he will lose so easily right? I know everyone got their asses cracked in WWH but Iron Man cannot beat War Machine so easily because he is faster, he could beat it fast because of knowing its weaknesses, its not like if he stays flying and blasting projectiles he will win, I know Iron Man will win this but you're saying he will win it so easily that it is not a fight at all. Iron Man would have a hard time with someone like Deathlok who can lift 150 tons and fly and run at incredible speeds, though he would win (Iron Man) because of his genius. I never said Iron Man will lose, I just said it won't be that easy, it might be a little easy but its not going to be so easy that he doesn't even break a sweat."
Theracles...I am giving you like a million advantages Iron Man has over War Machine and all you are saying is "doesn't mean he will beat him easily" When in actuality it does.Iron Man is a good ground fighter as well as an good arial combatant.Deathlok cannot lift 150 tons..he can only lift 50..stop making stuff up.She-Hulk lifts way more than 150 and Iron Man knocked her out with one punch.Stop acting like he's weak.It doesn't matter if you said Iron Man will lose,your acting like he can't easily take down an inexperienced person in his tech with inferior weaponry and physical capability."
Ok fine he curbstomps War Machine but Deathlok can lift 150 tons, in marveldatabase.com it states that he has the potential to lift 150 tons, I have a comic book where Iron Man is having a hard fought battle with She-Hulk and then knockes her out, I don't know if he was holding back though it looked liked he was, where did you read that Deathlok lifts only 50 tons?"
1. Iron Man knocked Savage She-Hulk out during Avengers: Disassembled after she ripped the Vision in half.
2. Marvel Database.com doesn't say Deathlok can lift 150 tons....

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Luther_Manning_%28Earth-7484%29
Superhuman Strength: Deathlok's artificial musculature is considerably stronger than the musculature of an ordinary human. Coupled with his skeleton, most of which is composed of hydrolics and a durable, lightweight steel alloy, Deathlok possesses superhuman strength sufficient to lift about 2 tons.


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I'm talking about Michael Collins.

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Michael_Collins_%28Earth-616%29
Superhuman Strength: Deathlok possesses great superhuman strength and is currently able to lift approximately 85 tons. However, his design has the capacity to potentially lift as much as 150 tons."
Ok...what does this prove? Ok..Deathlok maybe class 100? Namor and She-Hulk are both class 100 and Iron Man beat both more than once.
#21 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Duke Checkmate III said:
"Theracles said:
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"Theracles said:
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"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
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"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
A person can know everything about his own tech but that doesn't mean it will be easy to take it down, if Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds its because he probably has a built in controller in his Extremis suit, Iron Man isn't invincible, he might win because of speed advantage but it doesn't it will be very easy, very easy would be Iron Man vs Spider-Man or Iron Man vs Deathlok. Iron Man is as powerful as he is because he is a genius and has technology that helps him in most situations, if he fought WWH without the satellites he would have gotten his ass handed to him, I barely think Iron Man can beat Wolverine without a tough fight."
Iron Man took down 10-15 of his own armors...going directly for their weaknesses.Iron Man knows the flaws in his armors.Extremis is the best thing he ever created because he spent days and days longer than he spent on any other armor and still needed something more advanced (the virus) to make it work.Iron Man takes War Machine down in seconds because he knows what weapons he has,he's far too fast to be hit by one of them and he physically outclasses War Machine...not to mentioned the Punisher who has never used this kind of tech before is in the armor.Nobody said Iron Man is Invincible but War Machine can't beat him...not even close.Why do you keep talking about why Tony is so powerful..I read his comics..I know it's because of his tech.That doesn'y matter.His tech is what makes him who he is so why do you keep trying to detach it from him? Iron Man did fight World War Hulk in the Hulkbuster III armor...he got his ass handed to him but your acting like everyone else didn't.Who in the Marvel U can say they actually beat World War Hulk? NOBODY!!!! Iron Man would completely obliterate Wolverine and has already done it."
Because War Machine is slow and inexperienced he will lose so easily right? I know everyone got their asses cracked in WWH but Iron Man cannot beat War Machine so easily because he is faster, he could beat it fast because of knowing its weaknesses, its not like if he stays flying and blasting projectiles he will win, I know Iron Man will win this but you're saying he will win it so easily that it is not a fight at all. Iron Man would have a hard time with someone like Deathlok who can lift 150 tons and fly and run at incredible speeds, though he would win (Iron Man) because of his genius. I never said Iron Man will lose, I just said it won't be that easy, it might be a little easy but its not going to be so easy that he doesn't even break a sweat."
Theracles...I am giving you like a million advantages Iron Man has over War Machine and all you are saying is "doesn't mean he will beat him easily" When in actuality it does.Iron Man is a good ground fighter as well as an good arial combatant.Deathlok cannot lift 150 tons..he can only lift 50..stop making stuff up.She-Hulk lifts way more than 150 and Iron Man knocked her out with one punch.Stop acting like he's weak.It doesn't matter if you said Iron Man will lose,your acting like he can't easily take down an inexperienced person in his tech with inferior weaponry and physical capability."
Ok fine he curbstomps War Machine but Deathlok can lift 150 tons, in marveldatabase.com it states that he has the potential to lift 150 tons, I have a comic book where Iron Man is having a hard fought battle with She-Hulk and then knockes her out, I don't know if he was holding back though it looked liked he was, where did you read that Deathlok lifts only 50 tons?"
1. Iron Man knocked Savage She-Hulk out during Avengers: Disassembled after she ripped the Vision in half.
2. Marvel Database.com doesn't say Deathlok can lift 150 tons....

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Luther_Manning_%28Earth-7484%29
Superhuman Strength: Deathlok's artificial musculature is considerably stronger than the musculature of an ordinary human. Coupled with his skeleton, most of which is composed of hydrolics and a durable, lightweight steel alloy, Deathlok possesses superhuman strength sufficient to lift about 2 tons.


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I'm talking about Michael Collins.

http://en.marveldatabase.com/Michael_Collins_%28Earth-616%29
Superhuman Strength: Deathlok possesses great superhuman strength and is currently able to lift approximately 85 tons. However, his design has the capacity to potentially lift as much as 150 tons."
Ok...what does this prove? Ok..Deathlok maybe class 100? Namor and She-Hulk are both class 100 and Iron Man beat both more than once."
Yes he did, I'm only stating that he is class 100. The rest is history.
#22 Edited by Duke Checkmate III (361 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathlok isn't class 100 though...he could potentially lift 100 tons but he hasn't done it;...ever.And that is based on info from a source that has proven to have false information.

#23 Posted by Platinum Archer (44 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think punisher is smart enough to perate a beast like war machine

#24 Posted by Meteorite (3351 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Punisher would like to use War Machine armour... he'd probably find it too bulky.

#25 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

lol

I'd say if he had time with it he ccould supe it up a bit.

#26 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Duke Checkmate III said:
"Deathlok isn't class 100 though...he could potentially lift 100 tons but he hasn't done it;...ever.And that is based on info from a source that has proven to have false information."
Yes, he has the potential to lift 150 tons though he can currently lift 85 tons.
#27 Posted by Alpha (7322 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
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"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
U are wrong about the Temugin fight. He nearly beat Ironman without the use of his rings while Ironman was in his armor.
#28 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
Alpha said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Theracles said:
"Vance Astro said:
"End of his world...Iron Man would hunt him down and rip him apart.


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Iron Man would have a tough battle, Iron Man alone with no one to help him and no technology, no satellites no nothing only him with his suit against War Machine (Punisher) he could possibly lose. Iron Man is only powerful because he has the Mighty Avengers to aid him and also because of his tech, if he only had his suit, he wouldn't be that much of a threat though he is no cream puff in the strenght department."
How would Iron Man have a tough battle against a suit he built..with an inexperienced user? War Machine was able to best Tony before but it's because Rhodey knows Tony well and it was way before Extremis where Iron Man had a weaker armor.WTF are you talking about no technology? Iron Man is technology.He doesn't need sattelites or any of that to take War Machine down.He took down more than half of the Armors he had stashed away (that are remote controlled) while they were controlled by someone else....Including one with Adamantium parts.Iron Man is powerful because he is powerful...he doesn't need the Mighty Avengers to take down War Machine..in fact that is beyond overkill."
The Punisher is a skilled fighter, if he figures out how to use the War Machine suit he could give Iron Man a tough battle, just because Tony built the suit doesn't mean it will be extremely easy for him to take it down, and when I mean no tech I mean no satellites or computers or nanites or whatever, I consider the Iron Man suit Tony's powers, its not like he will just disable War Machine without a fight."
Being a skilled fighter means nothing...The Mandarin is a skilled fighter with powers and Iron Man almost killed him twice.Temugin is a skilled fighter and Iron Man beat him without having his suit on.The Extremis armor is Iron Man's best creation..not even James Rhodes..an experienced user could stop Tony from completely taking advantage of him.It will be extremely easy for him to shut the suit down..You know why? Iron Man has Techopathy and would definitely have control over armor he built.Tony's powers aren't the suit..his powers are technopathy and healing factor...If Iron Man doesn't disable War Machine he still wins because he completely outclasses War Machine..he's 5 times faster..his weapons are more destructive,he's stronger,and he knows everything about his own tech...."
U are wrong about the Temugin fight. He nearly beat Ironman without the use of his rings while Ironman was in his armor."
That isn't what I am talking about so YOU are wrong.The Mandarin sent Temugin to kill Tony Stark in his office (no armor on)...Tony dodged Temugin at some point in the fight...causing him to fall down an elevator shaft.
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#29 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

Well lets say Frank figured out the War Machine suit and found out the override codes like Spider-man did.  Do you think he could take out everyone in the Marvel U?

#30 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
Mr. Wilson said:
"Well lets say Frank figured out the War Machine suit and found out the override codes like Spider-man did.  Do you think he could take out everyone in the Marvel U?"
Spider-Man is a genius and he worked with Tony Stark..that's how he pulled that off.Even if Frank figured out how to use the War Machine armor he's not taking everyone out because War Machine isn't capable of that.The Mighty Avengers would be in his ass like colon cancer in seconds.
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#31 Edited by Erik (31623 posts) - - Show Bio
Mr. Wilson said:
"Well lets say Frank figured out the War Machine suit and found out the override codes like Spider-man did.  Do you think he could take out everyone in the Marvel U?"
Frank isn't close to being smart enough to do that. This would be a curbstomp in Iron Man's favor even if Frank learned the most rudimentary of the suits functions, which i doubt he could do. He would learn how to use one of the rocket launchers, fire it at Tony, who dodges it and reminds Frank why he is Marvel's loser.
#32 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

Man whatever.  Read Punisher kills the Marvel Universe.....

#33 Posted by Theracles (1366 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Mr. Wilson said:
"Well lets say Frank figured out the War Machine suit and found out the override codes like Spider-man did.  Do you think he could take out everyone in the Marvel U?"
Spider-Man is a genius and he worked with Tony Stark..that's how he pulled that off.Even if Frank figured out how to use the War Machine armor he's not taking everyone out because War Machine isn't capable of that.The Mighty Avengers would be in his ass like colon cancer in seconds."

I agree, if he figured out how to use it it won't matter, he will have problems with the Sentry, Hulk, Thor, Hercules, The Fantastic Four, especially Iron Man, there are more guys he won't be able to take out.
#34 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
Mr. Wilson said:
"Man whatever.  Read Punisher kills the Marvel Universe....."
I did...and it's not canon because it's complete PIS.I posted scans from it in the Punisher respect thread when he shoots Cyclops in the face point blank.
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#35 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

Well if he can destroy the Marvel U you have to be at least kinda smart.....

#36 Posted by Mr. Punisher (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Well It would be AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#37 Posted by Bio Guyver (6845 posts) - - Show Bio

Wouldn't change much. He'll be a walking weapon of mass destruction with the same intentions
of ridding the world of corruption.

#38 Posted by Bio Guyver (6845 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF is up with the post box? I can't write a sentence without it cutting off.

#39 Posted by Durokshi (2 posts) - - Show Bio

uhh maybe...? but idk, i'd think Iron Man could handle it lol

#40 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
Mr. Wilson said:
"Well if he can destroy the Marvel U you have to be at least kinda smart....."
He can't though...
#41 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio
Sovereign Vance said:
"Mr. Wilson said:
"Well if he can destroy the Marvel U you have to be at least kinda smart....."
He can't though...
"
That was a fun story though.
#42 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
Slinger said:
"Sovereign Vance said:
"Mr. Wilson said:
"Well if he can destroy the Marvel U you have to be at least kinda smart....."
He can't though...
"
That was a fun story though.
"
Yea it was.
#43 Posted by Erik (31623 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank would die. 

#44 Posted by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

he'd be slightly less lame

#45 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

Better question: does Tony Stark strike you as the type of guy to make suits that are 'one size fits all'?

#46 Posted by Vance Astro (91114 posts) - - Show Bio
MrMiracle77 said:
"Better question: does Tony Stark strike you as the type of guy to make suits that are 'one size fits all'?
"
I think Frank could fit something made for Rhodey...
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#47 Posted by Detective (524 posts) - - Show Bio

give Frank a month to learn how to use the War Machine suits and he takes out Iron Man

#48 Posted by Venom=sickest (143 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like him more.

#49 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

I just thought it'd be a cool idea.  Maybe he steals it or something.  Paints a big skull on it.

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