Just wondering what people thought about the Punisher's brand of justice? Do you agree with it or think Batman's way is better?
Punisher
Character » Punisher appears in 2803 issues.
When U.S. Marine veteran Frank Castle's family's was murdered for witnessing a mob hit, the man vowed to avenge their deaths and became a one-man army in his personal war against the criminal underworld. With a distinct death's head skull adorning his chest, Frank Castle became the vigilante known as the Punisher.
Punisher Right or Wrong
Its absolutely right, Punisher takes guys off the streets permanently. Batman puts them behind bars so they can just brake out and kill, rape, maim, and rob again.
well you have to understans the mythos and reason of there brands of justice,punisher is best explained as a character in the max series (preferbly garth ennis). Now I'm not a huge batman fan,but I am a huge HUGE punisher fan and the punisher operates on a very black and white justice system,but in my opinion franks methods are necessary but still wrong.
I dunno, i was supportive of Punisher's killings, but then i watched the film where he shoots an undercover cop, and it made me think that Punisher is taking the risk of killing an innocent person alot of the time
Yes people should be punished, sometimes to the extreme, but as soon as Punisher accidently kills an innocent person, he is no better than the criminals he is slaughtering
It annoys me when people say that Batman should kill the criminals. It's not his responsibility to do so, it's the Courts, but so long as they remain entirely useless, then the Punisher's route is the right one.
I like the Punisher as a character and I like reading his stories, but in my opinion...
No, Punisher is wrong. He's a serial killer that should be locked away somewhere he could never get out. That's part of who he is as a character.
You cannot place yourself as judge, jury and executioner. That criminals escape is not the fault of a hero, it's the fault of the system not doing it's job. And it's the fault of bad writing using PIS by making the people who run the prisons in comics to be total idiots. If the writers wrote their prison personnel and law enforcement agents in an intelligent manner, then a lot of stuff that happens in comic would never have.
But no, Punisher is definitively wrong.
Now on the subject of the court system, is it all plot induced stupidity? Comic books usually reflect the trends of the world outside the covers. In real life, criminals do certainly get out of jail, and some go back to their old ways. Is the fact that the same thing happens in comics bad writing or more or less the writers trying to make a statement on the system in general? Now I won't deny, some of the things that happen in comics really is PIS and unrealistic, but hey writer's aren't all perfect. Regardless, the question still stands.
" @Crom-Cruach: Totally agree. Now on the subject of the court system, is it all plot induced stupidity? Comic books usually reflect the trends of the world outside the covers. In real life, criminals do certainly get out of jail, and some go back to their old ways. Is the fact that the same thing happens in comics bad writing or more or less the writers trying to make a statement on the system in general? Now I won't deny, some of the things that happen in comics really is PIS and unrealistic, but hey writer's aren't all perfect. Regardless, the question still stands. "I think it's clear that it's PIS. Someone like Joker would have been executed in a Federal court a long time ago. And even if he wasn't, it's impossible to believe that a prison could not be designed to hold super-villains when you have organizations like Shield in MArvel with access to super-tech, magical super-hero allies and cosmics. Really the only reason prisons are run like they are in many comics is because the writers want to reuse villains while making the hero look good catching them. So they let the hero show his awesome by defeating him and sending him to jail. then they run the whole justice system with impossible idiocy to create a scenario where it's plausible for the villain to return.
All the while with the caveat that the justice system is as good as in the real world and every law abiding hero believing it. Even if from the readers perspective, evidence is there that it isn't true.
I think the Punisher is right. Sometimes scum bags just need to be taken out of the equation once and for all. The law system is so full of bureaucratic red tape and corruption that you need someone acting outside of the system like Punisher does. Though he's still killing folks, and he's just as guilty as the people he deals with.
The Punisher isnt driven by any kind of morality, hes driven by his desire to kill and to fight a war for the rest of his life. This is the core idea of Garth Ennis's version, if you read the marvel knights and max stories, you catch the subtle moments that really define the charcter. Its not right or wrong, its just who he is. Call him a hero and he wouldnt care. Call him a murderer and he'd most likely agree with you. The question on whether what he does is right or wrong is pretty much null and void if you understand every aspect of the character. If you can see all the parts of who he is and how he came to be, you'll see what rings most true to who Frank Castle really is. I think he is the best character marvel has because of the moral ambiguity.
If im looking at it from a more personal point of view, i agree with the idea that some people are truely, unforgivably evil, and dont deserve a place in the world, but i still believe its up to the proper authority's to deal with them. Saying the law is forever tied up with red tape and bullshit is only a half truth, the worst kind of criminals are still executed by the state. Criminals forever breaking out to kill again is only a storytelling tool, its not real or realistic in any way. If a jury says your guilty, you go to jail, no deals, no escape, no nothing. If your a serious criminal, they will definitely put you away for a long time. The only people they ever let out of jail are the ones that are rehabilitated. They wont let out a serial killer. Major drug dealers such as George Jung for example go away for at least 20 years at a time.The only time the beurocratic crap is applied is in cases no one can help, such as in the american ghettos tied up in the drug trade. Places like that, crime is pretty much a way of life. Im not condoning it, its just the way it is. That said, i do believe in vigilantism as a course of action, but it cant be an excuse to fulfil personal needs (The Punisher), it has to be dedicated to the protection of society (Batman).
I don't think you can use real life morals to compare to comic book morals of fictional characters.
Both Batman and Punisher's styles are wrong when viewed by real life justice and legal system. Vigilantism isn't a valid legal means and both of them (and almost all super-heroes) break real world laws. The comic book worlds/universes operate on a different moral system, so you have to view their actions within that world and not to our real life world.
When viewed through DCU, Batman is a good guy and would be considered doing the "right thing."
When viewed through Marvel 616, Punisher is a anti-hero (aka bad guy) and would be considered doing the "wrong thing." However, since he mostly kills villains, other heroes and police mostly overlook his actions even though they know Punisher is wrong.
" well you have to understans the mythos and reason of there brands of justice,punisher is best explained as a character in the max series (preferbly garth ennis). Now I'm not a huge batman fan,but I am a huge HUGE punisher fan and the punisher operates on a very black and white justice system,but in my opinion franks methods are necessary but still wrong. "Well said. I agree with that
Punisher is right.
If Batman had killed The Joker in his first appearance, literally thousands of lives would have been saved.
" Punisher is right. If Batman had killed The Joker in his first appearance, literally thousands of lives would have been saved. "But the greatest human being that's ever lived would be completely corrupted, and millions would have died.
" @InnerVenom123 said:Millions of bad people dead. Good riddance." Punisher is right. If Batman had killed The Joker in his first appearance, literally thousands of lives would have been saved. "But the greatest human being that's ever lived would be completely corrupted, and millions would have died. "
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:" @InnerVenom123 said:Millions of bad people dead. Good riddance. "" Punisher is right. If Batman had killed The Joker in his first appearance, literally thousands of lives would have been saved. "But the greatest human being that's ever lived would be completely corrupted, and millions would have died. "
I agree with you, mate. In the real world, courts don't work, and the Punisher's way is right. But in the comics, if Batman killed once; darkness would consume him. It wouldn't just be the bad people that he killed. Not to mention he wouldn't have been there to save the world so many times. All in all, by not killing, Batman has saved millions, even billions, that if he became a threat that the JL had to put down.
I think what the punisher does Is great you cant stop Villians etc by sending them to prison (spidey/batman) but actually by getting rid of them/scaring them.
I mean if spidey would catch me I would be like yeah web me up ill get out anyway but if the punisher would show up I would crap in my pants XD.
Maybe the goverment should hire some mercenary's or train people to do undercover killings like the punisher does.
And hell if someone would murder my entire family I would join the forces get some skills learn how to work with weapons and do the same stuff he does.
(kinda wondering if there ever excisted someone like the punisher IRL.)
Punisher's way in the marvel universe is the correct way I mean let's think about it for a moment. If spiderman dealt the same kind of punishment as frank does there would've been no Norman Osborn there would've been no Dark Reign thousands of lives would've been saved and yet spiderman is stupid enough to believe that Frank is wrong. If the so called "superheroes" did things frank's way there would be no Carnage, Dr. Doom, Hydra, Loki, Kingpin, Magneto, Hood, etc. They would've been killed right off the bat and the marvel universe would be a very safe place to live. Now that would suck for us readers but it goes to show that the superheroes are super retarded.
I agree with Punisher's way to deliver justice. The system is too corrupt. I don't remember the last time supervillain got executed. They just throw them to prisons, and they immediately escape. Or cut the deal with the system and get released by giving information on the inmates or working in black ops teams like Suicide Squad.
So we need the men like Punisher or Rorshach to deal with the monsters permanently. "Criminals get locked up. Dogs get put down".
If both were real Punisher would be right but in comic's im going with Batman. You cant just kill off classic characters for the right of a fictional world.
batman is a real dandy if you ask me
everyone who defends him is a pretentious, tree-hugging, vegan.... enjoy driving your hybrid car at 40km/h
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