Are there any good Punisher stories in the main Marvel Universe?

#1 Edited by JoeEddie (484 posts) - - Show Bio

I said this before but I am in love with Punisher Max by Garth Ennis . Planning on picking up "Welcome back, Frank" by Ennis which I thought was in the 616 Universe but I just read that is it from the Marvel Knights imprint. So, are there any good Punisher stories in the main Marvel Universe or does he not just fit in with the other characters? It seems like the character has not been handled well in the 616 Universe with writers having the character turn Black, becoming an avenging angel, to Franken Castle.

#2 Edited by Manbehindthewires (344 posts) - - Show Bio

@JoeEddie: Thunderbolts? Fury MAX is representing him quite well by the looks of it too.

#3 Posted by danhimself (22720 posts) - - Show Bio

Thunderbolts is horrible....pick up Rucka's run

#4 Edited by JoeEddie (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Manbehindthewires said:

@JoeEddie: Thunderbolts? Fury MAX is representing him quite well by the looks of it too.

I thought the Max line was not a part of main continuity

#5 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

Remender's run (pre-Frankencastle).

Rucka's run.

#6 Posted by Manbehindthewires (344 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

Rucka's run.

#7 Posted by Bionder (282 posts) - - Show Bio

I would recommend the 90's stuff Mike Baron's ( skip the arc when he turns black, lol) and Chuck Dixon. For more recent comics try Garth Ennis run post "Welcome Back, Frank", Remenders until Franken-castle then read "In The Blood" arc and definetely Rucka's run. Avoid Fraction / Remender ( War Journal).

- Punisher from 90's ( Mike Baron's and Chuck Dixon) if you find some;

- All of Garth Ennis stuff (it's marvel knights but it's placed in 616);

- Remender's Dark Reign arc and In the Blood;

-Greg Rucka's ongoing is a must have;

-Try Punisher: Nightmare mini series - good stuff.

#8 Posted by JoeEddie (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bionder said:

I would recommend the 90's stuff Mike Baron's ( skip the arc when he turns black, lol) and Chuck Dixon. For more recent comics try Garth Ennis run post "Welcome Back, Frank", Remenders until Franken-castle then read "In The Blood" arc and definetely Rucka's run. Avoid Fraction / Remender ( War Journal).

- Punisher from 90's ( Mike Baron's and Chuck Dixon) if you find some;

- All of Garth Ennis stuff (it's marvel knights but it's placed in 616);

- Remender's Dark Reign arc and In the Blood;

-Greg Rucka's ongoing is a must have;

-Try Punisher: Nightmare mini series - good stuff.

Thanks a lot! I have been hesitant to buy Rucka's run after reading Rucka's Punisher: War Zone

#9 Posted by Liz_Lixx (25 posts) - - Show Bio

Rucka's newest run is awesome!! Its freaking great! The art is fantastic! GET IT!!!! DO IT NOW!!!! I agree with ALL of Bionder's picks, but I would respectfully add Steven Grant's Circle Of Blood. It is pre-Ennis; it is super.

#10 Posted by Bionder (282 posts) - - Show Bio

@Liz_Lixx: I included Circle of Blood in the 90's stuff but it's a bit before that. There is a TPB launched by Marvel last year i guess. Great reading.

#11 Posted by Liz_Lixx (25 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess my reply never posted. I overlooked that on your list, Bionder! I have the original trade of Circle of Blood, I think it's '88, not sure tho. Its sooooooooooooo good!

#12 Posted by Captain_Yesterday (807 posts) - - Show Bio

@JoeEddie:

Yea I think you're right about Frank now always being handled right in the 616, like now with him in The Thunderbolts. This is probably why I don't like him as much in there and wish they would take him out and give him his own universe or something.

Once you read Welcome Back, Frank you should read Punisher : War Zone-The Resurrection of Ma Gnucci also by Ennis.

Doesn't have to be right after because, to be honest, it's not one of my favorite of his stories but it's still good read and a nice follow up, of sorts, to Welcome Back, Frank.

Also, his Marvel Knights run is awesome and takes place right after Welcome Back, Frank. And as @Bionder: said earlier it's part of the 616.

Unrelated to your question but just wanted to throw in that the Fury MAX issues (6-9, 9 came out Wed) that @Manbehindthewires: mentioned are pretty good. Although this is not The Punisher, this is Frank in Vietnam during one of his earlier tours (before Born). Oh and since you like the MAX series you should read Born if you haven't.

Oh and 10-12 is gonna have Fury showdown with Barracuda which should be pretty cool.

#13 Posted by Manbehindthewires (344 posts) - - Show Bio

@Captain_Yesterday: I'm really enjoying Fury MAX; seeing Frank as a cut-and-dry professional is great. He still has a lot of the Punisher elements, he's still pretty cold-blooded, just not as infected with vengeance. It's always nice to see Castle unburdened (the ice-cream panels in Punisher: Nightmare #5 was a nice recent moment)

I'll have to give Born a go! Not sure how that has slipped through the net!

#14 Posted by Bluefox170 (387 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

Rucka's run.

#15 Posted by JoeEddie (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Captain_Yesterday said:

@JoeEddie:

Yea I think you're right about Frank now always being handled right in the 616, like now with him in The Thunderbolts. This is probably why I don't like him as much in there and wish they would take him out and give him his own universe or something.

Once you read Welcome Back, Frank you should read Punisher : War Zone-The Resurrection of Ma Gnucci also by Ennis.

Doesn't have to be right after because, to be honest, it's not one of my favorite of his stories but it's still good read and a nice follow up, of sorts, to Welcome Back, Frank.

Also, his Marvel Knights run is awesome and takes place right after Welcome Back, Frank. And as @Bionder: said earlier it's part of the 616.

Unrelated to your question but just wanted to throw in that the Fury MAX issues (6-9, 9 came out Wed) that @Manbehindthewires: mentioned are pretty good. Although this is not The Punisher, this is Frank in Vietnam during one of his earlier tours (before Born). Oh and since you like the MAX series you should read Born if you haven't.

Oh and 10-12 is gonna have Fury showdown with Barracuda which should be pretty cool.

Okay, I will be sure to get "Resurrection of Ma Gnucci" after I get "Welcome back, Frank". I am currently following Fury Max by Ennis and I just picked up volume 1 a few weeks ago. I have read "Born" and I have the entire Punisher Max run by Ennis except for Man of Stone, The Tyger, The Cell, and The End all of which are out of print.

#16 Posted by Captain_Yesterday (807 posts) - - Show Bio

@JoeEddie said:

Okay, I will be sure to get "Resurrection of Ma Gnucci" after I get "Welcome back, Frank". I am currently following Fury Max by Ennis and I just picked up volume 1 a few weeks ago. I have read "Born" and I have the entire Punisher Max run by Ennis except for Man of Stone, The Tyger, The Cell, and The End all of which are out of print.

Yup, missing that too.

WHY IS MAN OF STONE OUT OF PRINT MARVEL????

No way I'm paying what those guys on eBay and other places want for it, or the VOL 4 HC which is the only HC I don't have of MAX.

#17 Posted by JoeEddie (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Captain_Yesterday said:

@JoeEddie said:

Okay, I will be sure to get "Resurrection of Ma Gnucci" after I get "Welcome back, Frank". I am currently following Fury Max by Ennis and I just picked up volume 1 a few weeks ago. I have read "Born" and I have the entire Punisher Max run by Ennis except for Man of Stone, The Tyger, The Cell, and The End all of which are out of print.

Yup, missing that too.

WHY IS MAN OF STONE OUT OF PRINT MARVEL????

No way I'm paying what those guys on eBay and other places want for it, or the VOL 4 HC which is the only HC I don't have of MAX.

Especially, when you do not know what condition it is in.

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