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#1 Posted by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

BTW, I've been thinking about how the movie would handle the first meeting between Superman and Batman and it got me wondering, if Batman's a veteran at this point, then wouldn't it make sense for Clark to have sought Batman out while he was wandering around as an itinerant worker? Surely news of Batman's exploits in Gotham would have reached him somehow and wouldn't it occur to Clark, "Wait a minute, what if this Bat character is like me? What if there's a chance that I'm not alone in this secret superhero gig? What if he's an alien, too?" And if Clark did in fact reach out and they already have a history together or a prior encounter going into this movie, then it makes even less sense for them to fight now and put "versus" in the title. But, if none of that ever happened, then why the heck not? It would be understandable if Batman were a rookie, too, and he and Clark were unaware of the other's existence. But that's not the case. I wonder how the filmmakers are going to explain that.

Well that's where Man of Steel falls down. If you analyze it then everything all comes apart at the seams. From the idiotic decision to have Costner refuse to let Clark save him during the tornado scene to the discordance of the other Kryptonians gaining mastery of their powers that took Clark decades to master, there's just a thousand things that don't work if you put it under a microscope. But still, I liked the movie. Even though a lot of it doesn't work it was still a fun movie to just enjoy as a spectacle.

The biggest problem though, is that with that huge fight between the Kryptonians and Superman and the terraforming machine... if the Justice League characters already exist in that world then what can possibly be bigger than that? That was a League level event. Having them all show up after the fact in a second movie is going to be a tough pill to swallow. "Oh, so there is a Green Lantern in the MoS universe? Well where the hell was he when Kal was getting his ass kicked by Zod?". If Batman is powerful enough to take on Supes as the title would suggest, where was he to offer help when the entire planet was in danger of being squashed beneath the oppressive heel of the Kryptonian menace? Where was Arthur when his seas were under assault? Where was Diana, isn't Themyscira part of Earth in this universe?

Thing is, I think they should have started with Justice League first, then built individual films once the characters had been introduced. Marvel needed to tell mainstream moviegoers who Tony Stark was, they needed to introduce Asgard the way they did and have Steve's movie set up SHIELD. Avengers needed the lead up. But Justice League doesn't. That's DC's strength. All their characters are archetypes to begin with, painted with broad strokes that can be explained easily and quickly and then you can dive into the character after the fact. That is the strength they have over Marvel but I don't know if they are going to utilize it well enough to make it fly.

I really hope it surprises me though. Even if it's just fun as a spectacle, that's kind of enough for me at this point. I've already seen (what I consider to be) the best version of Batman, Superman, and the Justice League in the animated universe. I don't think they'll ever top that for me so if they can pull off a fun movie, even if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny, I'm alright with that. And seeing Diana's costume this week makes me more hopeful than I could have imagined. They really nailed the armor look and I'm thankful that's where they went with her character.

#2 Edited by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

@zzombie13 said:

@lyrafay said:

@timelordscience said:

@zzombie13: hokey is certainly a valid descriptor.

Why they couldn't call it Superman/Batman: World's Finest, I'll never know.

Because non-comic fans don't know what world finest means.

Maybe not, but the title isn't just DAWN OF JUSTICE. It's BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE. If a potential ticket buyer don't know who Batman or Superman are, should the title really be pigeonholed just to accommodate the 7 people who don't know who those characters are? Calling it BATMAN v SUPERMAN: WORLD'S FINEST wouldn't take a single thing away or make it more difficult for John Q. Public to know what the film potentially is or isn't.

Not that I'm saying WORLD'S FINEST should or shouldn't be chosen. But whether the general public knows the reference or not is irrelevant.

My biggest problem with the title is the 'versus' part. They're clearly pandering to the bloodthirsty fanboys who want to see a fight. I really don't get it. I mean, I know Batman and Superman won't be instant best bros the first time they meet, but why would anyone want to see them fight? They're both good guys. And unless one or both of them is mind-controlled or something, I see no reason for them to butt heads literally. It just feels like a meaningless super-pi$$ing contest.

As for the pic, I'm liking what I've seen of this Batman so far. But wouldn't someone be bound to notice that Bruce Wayne's chin looks exactly like Batman's? It's a very distinctive chin. Anyway, still waiting for a pic of him and Superman together. Hopefully with no rain.

I concur. The whole name is a trainwreck. But, the movie looks like it will be a trainwreck too, so perhaps it's appropriate.

Don't misunderstand, I don't want it to be a trainwreck. Honestly, I liked Man Of Steel. It wasn't the best Superman movie ever, but it was fun in a blockbuster "lets-blow-shit-up" kinda way. And I really liked Cavill as Kal-El. I'd love for BvS:DoJ to defy it's stupid name and actually be a fun cool movie. I just think they're trying to do too much, to go too big. Hopefully it's the right move.

Time will tell I suppose. :)

#3 Posted by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

@zzombie13: I'd recommend "Iron Man: Rise of Technovore"

Really cool movie, animation comes off as anime, though.

The Punisher/Widow movie wasn't bad either.

and those are the 2 last movies in the animated department from Marvel I believe, me personally liking them then "Son of Batman" and "War" aka DC's last 2

Cool, thanks for the recommendation. I'll take a look at them. :)

#4 Posted by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital said:
@aquaman01 said:

@mrnoital said:

@aquaman01 said:

@fallschirmjager said:

Clearly the deciding factor is Aquaman is in one and not the other.

#IamyourKing

This is true, however the after credits video leads right to a Throne of Atlantis storyline that'll hopefully show him off

Yeah and it better be good... the current DC Movies haven't been so hot...

Yeah, but better than Marvels animated movies

Boy is that the truth. As much as I've enjoyed the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I've equally hated pretty much every animated thing they've done with Marvel. Only a few are even tolerable. And I'm usually more fond of Marvel's characters than DC's. But DC just has better animated films/television plain and simple.

The only Marvel one I can remember liking in recent memory was AVENGERS: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. And they shitcanned that one, God knows why.

#5 Posted by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

@lyrafay said:

@timelordscience said:

@zzombie13: hokey is certainly a valid descriptor.

Why they couldn't call it Superman/Batman: World's Finest, I'll never know.

Because non-comic fans don't know what world finest means.

Maybe not, but the title isn't just DAWN OF JUSTICE. It's BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE. If a potential ticket buyer don't know who Batman or Superman are, should the title really be pigeonholed just to accommodate the 7 people who don't know who those characters are? Calling it BATMAN v SUPERMAN: WORLD'S FINEST wouldn't take a single thing away or make it more difficult for John Q. Public to know what the film potentially is or isn't.

Not that I'm saying WORLD'S FINEST should or shouldn't be chosen. But whether the general public knows the reference or not is irrelevant.

#6 Posted by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

I still can't get over the terrible name of the movie lol.

Yeah, I'm with you on this one. It's just such a hokey name. I understand that sometimes our beloved comics can bend towards the cheesy side of the spectrum, but "DAWN OF JUSTICE" just sounds so blah to me. It sounds like the SyFy channel knockoff of a superhero movie rather than the licensed studio version.

#7 Edited by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta go with Slade on this one. Taskmaster is cool and all, but Slade would figure out his copy abilities pretty quickly. Then it's just a matter of staying hidden and striking at the right time.

Not to take anything away from Taskmaster of course. I think he's a really interesting character. In most fights like this, I'd probably pick him in fact. But I don't think he would stand up to Slade.

#8 Posted by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

Flashpoint for sure.

I didn't pick up the comics so I can't compare them to the source. But I really enjoyed the movie version. I liked the dark twisted version of the DC universe that Flashpoint showed us. I liked the resolution to the story, I liked the villain, the plot was fun to follow. Pretty much liked every bit of it.

#10 Posted by ZZoMBiE13 (675 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man by way of the Apple store just isn't doing it for me.

The stories may be great, the character may be great, and Iron Man could certainly use a new focus in his book(s). But the armor just isn't my thing.