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I'm all for it. I don't think it's an great partnership when you essentially have to take so much away from Superman and essentially make him an underdog just so Batman can stand in the same room with him. And as other have said Superman is turned into an punching bag to prop up Batman further. That's so grating it's absurd. It's funny people complained about the trunks being outdated but won't even consider Superman breaking away from Batman. The anatongism and posturing is what's outdated and that's what you get with Batman and Superman. One hero always being demeaning and the most dramatic of all so much so his franchise took an huge bite out of the other and those themes powers on loudly into 2016. I wouldn't stop at Kal/Hal though, I'd pair him up all over the place. The more character interactions the better.

Dial me in here. You are the vision that Superman desperately needs right now because he's different in all media he's in, no one ones who this guy is anymore. He's an dead beat dad in YJ, a gov't pawn in TDKR, an inept killer in MOS, evil in Injustice, mind controlled in Earth 2, an inconsiderate 'talks with his fists' asshole in JL: War, and now he's an compromised, bringer of death and destruction monster in his main books. Think about that, Superman vs the Elite wasn't that long ago and he was righteous, intelligent, proactive, and capable even if the story could have been better. We need that vision like a fish needs water but I challenge that he's heavily disliked in and out of universe. Supergirl and Superboy when he was around didn't want anything to do with him and so if you face him with nothing but obstacles, as he stands now, who would even cheer at his triumphant? He's an dick alot of people want to see ass get kicked, in alot of media. So I'd challenge he not only needs those moral challenges but examples of his morality already being effective, him already being admirable, examples of warm humanity, instances that creep you out and say "thank goodness Superman is here!" and mean it. Superman should make you think, he should be an thinking man himself with themes littered of quantum physics, ted.com talks, and the power of language legitimizing his other work and more importantly evolving the character. There is no reason Batman is the only one allowed to go to Hong Kong and have multiple mentors. Besides that I'm 100% in agreement with you because that voice needs to be clear and concise but adversity isn't the only means to get there.

Superman/HOPEMAN committed genocide against Krypton's 2nd hope of coming back. He said they had their chance and didn't deserve another one so he annihilated his people in this clip like Synder and Goyer did against Superman's character.

As for the trunks, I'm glad he doesn't have them so my Superman can remain untarnished.

@superguy1591 said:

In John's we trust.

I really hate that they made Superman rip Doomsday apart with his bare hands like the Sentry. I always lose interest in Superman when he kills and I had such an great time with Pak.

No, I'm completely sick of it too. It hasn't existed for a long time but I miss them genuinely being...well friends. You should ask Pak this though, I'd be interested in what he said.

That Max Landis Joker story tainted the book with it's gritty, edgy shit worst than the Demonlisher story line. That guy wasn't Superman even a little bit which is highly disappointing seeing as how Max Landis is pretty passionate about this character. There are definitely good stories in AoS like this past weeks and I believe there is far more good than bad but like Sano said, it's fairly inconsistent. Definitely worth checking out though, for sure.

@lvenger: Many people aren't going to know what you mean by that because they don't get Superman to begin with, are much into death worship, and/or don't feel MoS was an bastardization of him that eroded an icon right before our eyes for this generation going forward.

I think it could not only work but work well if they just got the stick out their ass and added in some levity. Not everything needs to be Batman serious. Clark can be goofy and has a sense of humor. Lighten the hell up. Have Mera kick out Aquaman and come to stay with them or something. Have domestic settings, have them go to a concert or chase a shooting star, have Diana go through her god shit and have Clark be totally supportive and maybe even underhanded for her. Tell mythic stories with them both, have it be about their actions, what they do, instead of their characters. You can do character or character action based stories. It's like they aren't even trying to make it compelling.