You_Got_Thored

@malevolent1:

Solely based on that post I'sd say Silver Surfer gets Thored.

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@The_Roman said:

@You_Got_Thored: Yeah, okay, I have no idea what feat you're talking about. Scan?

Blitzing BP underwater does indeed provide him with a fantastic speed feat, something I don't think Logan has an answer for

Yeah the Helicarrier crash was (obviously) using chi, and it was pretty damn impressive. I mean he like slammed a hole in that b!tch.

I think the base strength argument is still there, if Danny doesn't use his chi.

i need to see a scan of him wreking the heli, ill make it my wallpaper on my phone.

also the scan you want is in this thread. read back.

@The_Roman said:

@You_Got_Thored: Only if he amps the strikes with chi. Otherwise they're normal human strength.

no, he chopped that giants achilles tendon with no chi.

at first i was going wolvie during this fight but...blitzing bp underwater?

under,freakin,water? and i didnt see him crash the heli, but that is definetely stronger than logan. or james or whatever his name is.

so lets say they both cannot hulk out in any way possible. they are both human. they are dropped in a cage with lots of weapons ,no firearms, and shields in the middle. then some chick in a bikini says ready? fight.

who would kill the other one, get the random chick, and escape the cage?

if is basically a fast 100 tonner.

his kicks, chops, punches are all at leeaast joe fixit strength.

just throwing that out there.

@Vance Astro said:

@You_Got_Thored said:

if was written to be the greatest hand to hand fight in the mu. think someon said that already. he does even need to fight him hand to hand, since he can just jump on the top of a buolding and lob chi balls like goku.

We don't debate on what a character was written to be, we debate on what they've done and what we can prove. Iron Fist isn't a better fighter than Wolverine because he's Marvel's premier martial arts character, he doesn't have the showings to back it up. Also when the Marvel Handbooks started doing stat ratings, Wolverine & Iron Fist either had the same rating or Wolverine had a higher rating depending on the version. So if we're using something other than showings, note that all Marvel's writers don't think Iron Fist is better than Wolverine.

@CadenceV2 said:

@Vance Astro: Iron Fist had a epic match and held his own vs Nightcrawler, Colossus, Strom, and Wolverine. He was weak as well in this bout.

This is before his Chi Upgrade and additional training.

This is also a less skilled and older version of Wolverine.

on topic though, could wolverine theoretically cross his claws and bloc or reflect the chi blasts, or does that only work with light based attacks?

@Vance Astro said:

@Vouile said:

Vance...We meet again bro'! :D

Indeed.

@Vouile said:

Purely based on theory and the facts, I say Iron Fist wins.

I don't know what facts what make you think Iron Fist gets the majority.

@Vouile said:

And him taking the Hulk's punches three times to the head, I don't think he should have survived that to be honest.

Well i've seen him survive alot worse so I don't see why...

@Vouile said:

His head shouldn't be able to survive a helicarrier-busting attack.

All his attacks aren't on that level though, it requires alot of chi.

@Vouile said:

And Iron Fist is officially a better fighter than Wolverine.

Why, because you said so? Where's the proof?

if was written to be the greatest hand to hand fight in the mu. think someon said that already. he does even need to fight him hand to hand, since he can just jump on the top of a buolding and lob chi balls like goku.

yess. knew it. thanks guys

@Shawnbaby: alright, but you know what i mean anyway, dont nitpick.