Xornell

Hate to bump, but few things: 
 
"pretty much all the Z fighters and their enemies could destroy a planet" < This is wrong and is the most annoying, most common misconception there is. People assume that as Goku and the main cast (Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo) get stronger, the lesser characters like Yamcha, Krillin, and Tien get stronger as well. While that's true, they never get even close to Frieza saga. Krillin can't bust the Earth. Their sole purpose on the series is to show how resistant/determined the human mind is. Sure Krillin gets murderstomped by Cell, but he stuck through and showed up at the games anyway. Also it gives the bad guy someone to beat the tar out of until Goku shows up. 
 
Number two is: Powerscaling shouldn't be used. I used to do more Sci-Fi VS threads and topics would come up about Jedi or psykers or whatever. A powerful feat is NOT defeating a powerful character if their opponent is from a different verse. For example, in a thread about Obi-Wan VS whoever, I'm not going to bring up that time ObiWan and Anakin had a force duel, because that's irrelevant. Unless his opponent is another character from Star Wars, it doesn't matter. It doesn't translate skills or strength or plot armor, either. Reed Richards beat Galactus... Guess he stomps Goku... Bruce Lee could take out Ronnie Coleman, guess he must be stronger. It's apparent that powerscaling or using opponents to scale things is irrelevant.

Well, TOAA is a representation of writers. In other words, if the writers behind 40k suddenly decide they want the universe to make no sense, they can do that and the characters are powerless. For example, Matt Ward. 
 
The Presence is supposed to be God. If God existed (for the purposes of comics, he does) and wanted everyone to disappear in any of the universes, he could also do so. 
 
That is why they are above the chaos gods. 
 
Lol you can claim I'm trolling all you'd like (would I really go through all that trouble to do so?), but that doesn't change the fact that the "chaos gods" are featless plot devices that hold no real power in their own universe, let alone against omnipotent beings like the ones on the opposing sides. And honestly, so is the Emperor.

The C'Tan Fragments ( a mere 1/1000 Piece) Is a World Reality Warping Being. Add it together and the whole lot of C'Tan (there use to be a more than the big 4) were Galaxy Reality Warping Beings. Further More when the Laughing God of the Eldar tricked them (could have been the Deceaver C'Tan who knows) into eating the other C'Tan to condense power then the remaining 4 (Nightbringer, Deceaver, Outsider, and Void Dragon) were Glaxy Levels at there best.

I never said the C'Tan were Omnipotent. Ever. I said they were Galaxy Level Reality Warpers.

No the Q exist in a set Universe of star Trek and that Universe only. Being in Pocket Dimensions or out of Reality means nothing when set in that single Universe. Not Multu Versal.

Also Eternity of Marvel is Omnipotent... guess he cant ever be punked by Thanos or Dormammu.. OH WAIT yes he is LOL.

How about Beyonder? The Guy who could wave a hand and end the Omniverse of Marvel? He was punked by Doom. A Human......

So what is your point of suppose Omnipotence?

Wahammer Fantasy is set in a totaly different Universe from 40K. The Chaos Codex Page I posted above (which you never bother to read as proven) says the same Gods exist in both plaguing Humanity.

It shows in the Black Library Novels as well (which you never read obviously) that Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons have fought wars in the Grim Dark Future and a World of Fantasy Magic. Many times it is confirmed they exist in both Universes. One they have completely taken it seems.

Yeah so does Galactus. He is equal to Eternity. What your point? Also kidnapping Infants allowed them to rule a entire Universe. So yeah.... whats your point?

LOL LMAO yeah the Chaos Powers showed none of this... oh wait!!!

A Daemon Prince of Khorn shows the power to Transcend Space, Time, and Realities. Thats a weak Daemon Prince OF KHORN!

The only reason I put them above is again Proven Feats that they have achieve and done more.

Eternity is omnipotent in Marvel but gets punked by Multiversal Beings all the time. Heck he gets punked by Dormammu who exist outside of the Universe.

Well for one, where did it say anything about C'Tan being Galaxy-busting beings or anything of the sort? Secondly, if they were omnipotent, please explain how they were overthrown by T-800's?
 
Well first of all, Q exists in both reality as well as the Q continuum. By your logic, that's multiversal, not that it really matters. Omnipotence denotes the ability to do anything at a whim, such as create or destroy universes. By the way, aren't Warhammer fantasy and 40k completely different series? It's not different plots on a timeline, they're completely different gods. The fact that they're named the same and do the same thing doesn't show that they're multiversal, it shows that GW is pretty lazy and lacking in creativity lol. You even said yourself they're separate.
 
They need to feast? Doesn't really sound like they're too powerful, seeing as they need food to remain a thing. Besides, they can set up things through manipulation, it's really not important. Is kidnapping infants a feat even close to worth mentioning? Because if it is, I think I saw some Chaos Gods on Dateline last night. 
 
Bedlam Spirits and Q have shown the ability to create/destroy matter, transcend time and space effortlessly, warp the universe around them, and create, save, or destroy life. That's a bit more than anything in Warhammer has done.

Well first of all, being "cool" doesn't really have to do with anything. 
 
Secondly, C'Tan, as my understanding has it, aren't abstract, but giant sun-eating dragons. Cool? Sure. Powerful? Yep! Anything an omnipotent being can't tear apart in a nanosecond simply by glancing in it's general dierection? Not quite...
 
Multi-Versal? LOL Again, not really. What feats do they even have? They scattered infants across the galaxy... Then nothing. Sure, they can "corrupt" people, but that's really just people making a choice to be violent, hedonistic, or other behaviors personified by the gods. Omnipotence > anything else. The best scenario in an omni-battle is a stalemate. Neither the Chaos Gods, nor the Emperor, nor the C'Tan are omnipotent. Therefore: 
 
Bedlam Spirits in SW stomps 
The Q in ST stomps 
DC and Marvel, obviously, stomp 
The Doctor stomps.

Crons have time travel, casual sun busting, infinite speed drives, and moderate reality warping, so Trek and Wars autolose for want of militarized time travel. And no, none of the dalek feats are fan wanking, Doctor Who>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wars, Trek, and Hammer.

@Mirabel said:

Now, the Necrons will rape Trek and Wars pretty hard, so they're nonfactors

I'm not really sure about that. Sure they're hard to kill, but it's not impossible. You really don't seem to know exactly how many troops Star Wars has at its disposal. The Galactic Empire, which lasted about 22 years, would be able to stomp the IoM in the numbers of troops they have available. Dark Troopers are basically droid space marines made out of indestructible armor, so they stomp Necrons. Basically they'd win the same way the Imperial Guard stomps most things with their numbers. That's one era though. Not including the Star Forge (infintite amount of troops, ships, weapons, or anything else you need powered by the Force & a star) or quadrillions of battle droids in service throughout SW lore. SW > 40k eventually. Trek could stomp Necrons with Q as well. Shawken Device is a universe buster, and again, not too knowledgeable about The Doctor, but it sounds a little fan-wanking to me. I'm not sure you know too much about SW superweapons lol. In any case, someone lock this for being a stomp, please?

Not really. Nothing in WH40k is omnipotent, and they're usually not omniscient or omnipresent, and never at the same time. No, the Emperor wasn't omnipotent. Neither are the Chaos gods. None of them are regularly omniscient or omnipresent either. Star Trek has Q, which is incredibly powerful, but is powerless against it's own kind for the most part, making it not omnipotent. They might have some through tech of the week though. Star Wars might have a few. The only one I can think of atm is basically a giant, omnipotent child. It's pretty immature, but is high-level reality warping. Again, not sure about Dr. Who, but they probably have some form or another. And of course Marvel and DC have TOAA and The Presence, respectively.

That being said, even IF all verses involved had an god-like character in terms of power, the most it could do to another omni- is cancel it out. Leaving it still a bolostomp in favor of individual characters on Team 2.

I think it'll be great. Normally the problem in Superman movies is lack of a strong enemy to face. Seriously, who thought Lex Luthor was a good idea? You know Kryptonite's going to be involved and there's just not enough action. Sure, he lifts an island into space in Superman Returns, but who cares? That's just a measure of strength. Zod, Ursa, or whoever the girl is (forgotten her name), and Metallo are in this, so you know there's gonna be a few epic fights, and someone who actually give him a challenge. Another trait that's happening more in hero movies is the "I'm sad and I'm gonna mope on screen for 95 minutes". Spiderman 2 & 3 did it, as did Superman Returns. I don't think Man of Steel will have much of this.

I think it comes about for two reasons:

1.) He's "OP". He could take a steamy dump on their favorite character's face, and that makes them butthurt.

2.) He is a boyscout. He's the embodiment of good and heroism. Some people like to hop aboard the emo-bandwagon. Wheeee for darkness and killing! We sure are cool!

I think that about sums it up lol