My Top 5 Most Bizarre Loose Ends from "Dark Reign"

5. Spider-Man got off pretty easy

I suppose this one is more of an observation than a "Loose end" (so an awful one to open up on, eh?) but Norman Osborn is a Spider-Man enemy first and foremost. Anyone who tells you otherwise is, to be polite, a gigantic idiot. So when the former Green Goblin gets elected to power surely one of his top priorities would be to make the wall-crawler's life a living hell? Seems to be that wasn't the case. After one story in Spider-Man's title, dealing with Osborn's relationship with his son more than anything else, that was it for Dark Reign and Spider-Man. Osborn had all these resources at his disposal and he spent them on hunting and making every other heroes life a living hell. The weirdest thing? While Marvel was publishing Dark Reign titles, Amazing Spider-Man (which published 3 issues a month at this time) entered a big ongoing storyline titled The Gauntlet where Spider-Man faced an onslaught of his enemies. Common sense in the writer's room must've took a field day, since Osborn had absolutely no hand in the orchestration of the seemingly random events and attacks on Spider-Man whatsoever.

4. Paladin has Odin's Spear stashed away somewhere

The Thunderbolts and the Mighty Avengers titles were sadly sidelined during Siege because they weren't written by Bendis. They offered a superfluous tale far more exciting than the main event with the Avengers squaring off with the Thunderbolts for Gungnir, the Spear of Odin - an item that not only could kill Thor but would've swayed Siege in Osborn's favor. So, we had all these epic and awesome moments going on in those titles as the Avengers fought with the Thunderbolts for possession of Gungnir and in the end Team Thunderbolt won! But thankfully, the possessors of the spear were Paladin and Ant-Man who were two of few decent folk amidst Osborn's reign. The story ended with Paladin going into hiding with Gungnir in tow and allegedly becoming the most hunted man on Earth. So imagine our surprise when he pretty sharply returned during Shadowland and went on to become a lead cast member in Heroes for Hire with absolutely no mention of Gungnir whatsoever. Particularly in the climate of Fear Itself and the Fearless where Asgardian relics and weaponry were such a hot topic, it seems baffling that Paladin apparently still has Gungnir hidden away and hasn't thought to do something with it. Even when Heroes for Hire had several tenuous Fear Itself tie-in issues!

3. Where the hell were the Dark X-Men?

Remember the Dark X-Men? They were like the Dark Avengers' unpopular ugly cousins. After a line-up change that shed Namor, Emma Frost, Cloak and Dagger and Daken (who apparently couldn't simultaneously be a member of two teams at the same time unlike his dad) - we were left with a four-piece who starred in the Dark X-Men miniseries. The series ended on a grim note with Mystique, Mimic and Omega regretting the bleak end to their first adventure (Dark Beast didn't really care) and that was the last we ever saw of the Dark X-Men. It was puzzling since when it came to Siege, Osborn made no use or mention of his Dark X-Men and as a team they were incredibly useful to Osborn's war. Mimic and Omega were powerhouses, Mystique was an incredibly useful agent and Dark Beast and his savagery would have been put to good use on the battlefield. We still have never truly found out the true fate of the team, and are left to assume they disbanded following their miniseries.

2. Also, where the hell was Noh-Varr?

Noh-Varr was the Dark Avenger who quit. He beat the Sentry. He's ridiculously powerful and useful to either side. When Noh-Varr quit the Dark Avengers, Steve Rogers and Bucky noted he was now technically on their side. So what did those two do about it? Nothing. What did Osborn do about losing own of his most powerful pawns? Nothing. What did Noh-Varr do about it? Nothing. Noh-Varr had absolutely no more involvement in the Dark Reign storyline. That's nuts, eh?

1. Norman Osborn has the second Black Widow locked up in a tube somewhere

Yelena Belova, the second Black Widow, was leading Osborn's black-ops Thunderbolts team... except it wasn't Yelena Belova at all it was the real Black Widow undercover for Nick Fury! As writer Andy Diggle's run drew to it's climax, the undercover Black Widow was exposed and left the team to side with Songbird in opposing Osborn's Thunderbolts. The issue ended on the twist that Norman Osborn actually had the real Yelena Belova in stasis all this time and was now deciding to release her and make her the new leader of the Thunderbolts. With the end of that issue, it was the end of Diggle's run and in a surprising twist the end of Yelena Belova's one-panel tenure as member of the Thunderbolts. The change-over of writers (going from Diggle to Rick Remender and then to Jeff Parker) as well as the interference of Siege meant this plot was never picked up and poor Yelena is still tucked away. Considering the prominence, and lack of context, it's by far the most bizarre and annoying instance listed here.

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Posted by TheCheeseStabber

Interesting...I also what happened to all the Pro Osborne Memorabilia that was every where

Posted by Morpheus_
Spider-Man's showdown with Osborn took place in Dark Reign: The List - Spider-Man. Their choice to steer clear from Osborn during the Gauntlet was a wise one, too. There's only so many ultimate master plans the guy can come up with.
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Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale

I'm just about to Read the Gauntlet O_____O lol

I miss my Dark X-men lol

Posted by X35

@TheCheeseStabber said:

Interesting...I also what happened to all the Pro Osborne Memorabilia that was every where

That stuff kinda resurfaced with the Goblin Cult over in Spider-Man and the Osborn supporters in recent Avengers/New Avengers.

@Morpheus_ said:

Spider-Man's showdown with Osborn took place in Dark Reign: The List - Spider-Man. Their choice to steer clear from Osborn during the Gauntlet was a wise one, too. There's only so many ultimate master plans the guy can come up with.

I know, it just seems like... it would've been obvious, y'know? Relegating the Spider-Man/Osborn stuff to one arc and a one-shot seems silly. Like consider how much he went after Iron Man or the Avengers (who admittedly did feature Spider-Man but his involvement seemed inconsequential to Osborn) to his going after Spidey. I didn't read it at the time, but looking at it in retrospect, it sticks out as just a bit of a weird choice to not have Osborn in some way finance, orchestrate or inspire the attacks in Gauntlet.

Posted by TheCheeseStabber

@X35: I wonder if Osborne ever comes back if he'll restart the Dark X Men and the Black Widow like Sleeper Agents

Posted by Morpheus_
@X35: American Son lasted for six issues. In any other book, that is a very respectable amount of time and effort to devote to a single arc. Since ASM was being published three times per month it might seem miniscule, but it really isn't. The one-shot offered a good enough reason for Osborn not to pursue Spider-Man further, too (the drive Spider-Man stole from him), it was simply forgotten in the long run and come Siege. Going against the Avengers was logical. He created and led an entire team whose sole purpose was to replace them in the eyes of everyone. Hunting Iron Man was also logical since it could result both in power (repulsor tech) and information (identities of every superhero under the SHRA). If anything, Osborn not upholding his obsession against Spider-Man simply because it's Spider-Man was refreshing. Other characters had much more to offer to him from his perspective. In retrospect, as you said, does it seem odd that they did not use him more purely against Spidey? Yes. Did it produce better stories for Spider-Man than it probably would have if Osborn had been involved? Very likely.
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Posted by texasdeathmatch

Hah, considering I haven't kept up to date since like, Civil War, this was a great update to the Marvel universe for me, haha.

Thanks

Posted by X35

@Morpheus_: Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying stories would be improved or whatever with these things taken on board, i'm just pointing them out as oddly not really addressed or resolved.

Posted by X35

@TheCheeseStabber said:

@X35: I wonder if Osborne ever comes back if he'll restart the Dark X Men and the Black Widow like Sleeper Agents

You've obviously not been reading Marvel lately haha

Edited by TheCheeseStabber

@X35 said:

@TheCheeseStabber said:

@X35: I wonder if Osborne ever comes back if he'll restart the Dark X Men and the Black Widow like Sleeper Agents

You've obviously not been reading Marvel lately haha

Im aware of Osbornes current...ahh..current State Yes, if im correct Catatonic Jelly thats why i put the "If Osborne EVER comes back..."

Posted by ReVamp

I have an answer to all loose ends: Bendis.

I win at life. LOL.

/thread.

Posted by TheGoldenOne
@ReVamp said:

I have an answer to all loose ends: Bendis.

I win at life. LOL.

/thread.

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Posted by ReVamp

@TheGoldenOne said:

@ReVamp said:

I have an answer to all loose ends: Bendis.

I win at life. LOL.

/thread.

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#Swag

Posted by X35

@ReVamp: Forgive him ReVamp... TGO gets touchy whenever anyone pisses on Bendis for some reason.

Posted by TheGoldenOne
@X35 said:

@ReVamp: Forgive him ReVamp... TGO gets touchy whenever anyone pisses on Bendis for some reason.

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Posted by ReVamp

@TheGoldenOne said:

@X35 said:

@ReVamp: Forgive him ReVamp... TGO gets touchy whenever anyone pisses on Bendis for some reason.

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:O

TGO's a Bendis fanboy. I SEE THE LIGHT!

Posted by TDK_1997

Interesting..

Edited by CATPANEXE

Regarding #5. It's one that slips over a lot of peoples heads, and maybe Marvel should of made a lot more light of this in the issues themselves, but part of the reason for Norman's whole switch in motivation, ie; taking to head the Thunderbolts program, moving into the position he did and focusing on the world, ect, was his at the time lack of motivation in ruining Peter Parker's life. Key words: Peter Parker. A large part of Norman's obsession with Spider-man stems from the personal relationship between Norman, his family and Parker, and it was being noted that that obsession is Norman's Achilles heel and a large thing that hold's him back in personal achievement. Then, enter One More Day/Brand New Day/O.M.I.T. While Norman does recall he's had a lot of issues with Spider-man, he doesn't remember that Spider-man is Peter Parker, and as a result his deep personal reason for being obsessed with him is gone and Norman Osborn adjusts, and shift in his motivation we saw happen rather quickly, and I seriously don't mean to pun this one, but the aftermath of the Mephisto Faustian deal brokered created a vacuum and a void was filled. I think I worded this right? The whole O.M.I.T. thing can be a mess to get down in the details.

Posted by primepower53

Was this inspired by the M:G complaining about how stupid Osborn was during Siege.

I MEAN HE HAD EVERY ADVANTAGE OVER THEM! MOST OF THE AVENGERS WHO JOINED WERE STREET LEVEL ANYWAY AND THE ASGARDIANS WERE CANNON FODDER!

Posted by Joygirl

Awww, someone got their pitch rejected by Cracked. XD Those sweet sweet fifty dollaz might have been yooooours...

Posted by CapFanboy

@primepower53 said:

Was this inspired by the M:G complaining about how stupid Osborn was during Siege.

I MEAN HE HAD EVERY ADVANTAGE OVER THEM! MOST OF THE AVENGERS WHO JOINED WERE STREET LEVEL ANYWAY AND THE ASGARDIANS WERE CANNON FODDER!

SHUSH BOY! never talk back to bendis! HE WILL EAT YOUR SOULZ!!!!

@Joygirl said:

Awww, someone got their pitch rejected by Cracked. XD Those sweet sweet fifty dollaz might have been yooooours...

Who? What topic? What was the picture like? :D I love photoplasty...

Posted by primepower53

@CapFanboy said:

@primepower53 said:

Was this inspired by the M:G complaining about how stupid Osborn was during Siege.

I MEAN HE HAD EVERY ADVANTAGE OVER THEM! MOST OF THE AVENGERS WHO JOINED WERE STREET LEVEL ANYWAY AND THE ASGARDIANS WERE CANNON FODDER!

SHUSH BOY! never talk back to bendis! HE WILL EAT YOUR SOULZ!!!!

@Joygirl said:

Awww, someone got their pitch rejected by Cracked. XD Those sweet sweet fifty dollaz might have been yooooours...

Who? What topic? What was the picture like? :D I love photoplasty...

SSHHHHHH! Don't say his name.....He's always watching. *shifty eyes*