@ssj_god: Well, Cage can tank hits from some heavy level tonners, so it would take a pretty good amount of pure physical force to put him down. I would have to review some stuff to see who the strongest person is that he has tanked hits from, but it would depend on how hard she actually hits. If we are talking someone within his strength range, up to maybe the Thing, then it might be difficult for her to accomplish.
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@wyldsong: Truth is Neji has no valid speed feat we can go by just pure speculation because he was on Team Guy and trained with them.
But it's understandable.. Neji is not a ninja that utilizes speed for his fighting style.
Combat Speed we can confirm, Reaction Speed we can confirm. It's when we get to his movement speed.. that's where we get stopped.
IF deffinitly has the strength and speed to compete with Neji (due to the fact that we can't gauge his speed).
Even if IF is fast Nejis defense and speed at which he reacts is enough to counter IFs attacks.
Sure IF only needs one good hit, BUT here's the problem IF doesn't have a way to outsmart Neji or counter Byakugan. This isn't an attack on you but I've noticed (correct me if im wrong here) but you havn't said anything against Byakugan. The problem with IF hitting Neji directly is that it won't happen anytime soon Neji is TOO good in H2H in defense and offense for that to happen (especially when is some instances his offense becomes a defense) again.. he needs to outsmart Neji not Outfight him eventually IF will go down.
Lets go back to the OP. Chi = Chakra - Chakra = Chi. Now im assuming that would mean IF Chi SHOULD be able to be taken away or what would be the point of equalizing it right.
Now afew questions: How does IF counter having his Chi being taken away? What does he do when he can't defend against Range, Rotation or Nejis Gentle Fist that does internal damage if he does get in close?
Most important of all how does he heal himself to effectively defend agaist Neji?
IF destroys a train ok an impressive feat but what's that do when you're opponent has just as impressive Reaction Speed feats (in dodging and deflecting)
IF caught a bullet ok impressive but what good is that in a fight that's H2H for the most part and from the looks of that scan he (IIRC sry abit tired lol) caught it using Chi now we have the whole Chi being blocked argument Its not like he can catch Nejis Ranged attacks or block them without hurting himself without Chi.
IF took out 5 normal guys IIRC with his speed I can see that being useful IF clones were in play, but they're not.
iF uses Range ok Neji uses Rotation which has really good defense feats to suggest he can withstand it.
Im looking for something as well I need proof that IF can somehow outsmart Neji to take a majority that will seal the deal for me.
What makes Neji more veratile is that his fighting style is the perfect counter for an opponent like IF even if he is more powerful. In a H2H fight like this it takes more than power and bullet catching to win a majority.
I am going to try and hit up your points, but let's start here. Danny can expand his chi at a moments notice:
He has affected large groups of foes, and with someone who can tag speedsters and Spidey level speed, that is a dangerous thing.
Let's also point out:
That is a steel girder without the benefit of the Shou Lao chi. You see, Danny has two sources of chi. The personal chi that he has built up through training, which allows him to do things like the above, then there is what he gained from defeating the Immortal Dragon, Shou Lao in hand to hand:
And there is a distinct difference between the two. Danny has had the Shou Lao chi drained before, yet he still been able to access his personal chi. It obviously doesn't flow like or with his normal chi, so obviously big questions there. But Danny has drained various energies, even chi before, like when he took the chi Davos stole back:
We also have another instance where he drained Orson Randal's chi, but I don't feel like digging it up right now. Danny drains energy, and can drain chi as well. Coupled with the fact that I have my doubts on Neji being able to seal the Shou Lao source of chi...not to mention, how do the seals work? Does he lock chi with a look, an attack, or what?
Then you have to consider speed. I showed earlier Danny having the speed to contend with multiple foes while running on the side of a building while also dodging automatic gunfire then taking out an apache helicopter while dealing with all of that. Danny is an exceedingly casual bullet timer, and consistently reacts at supersonic speeds. With pressure point knowledge, chi/energy draining, chi healing (and teh ability to fight while in a deep meditative state), complete nervous system control, and the ability to fight at range himself, you can understand where my issues lay.
As for outsmarting Neji...basically I would have to give you the rundown of foes he has beaten, skill showings, so forth and so on. Needless to say, if Danny wasn't skilled and hadn't outsmarted multitudes of foes in past, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I will point out the fighting in a meditative state, calculating Nightcrawlers teleports in mid fight to lay him out, sensing and tracking Sue Richards invisible bo staff, figuring out and beating several foes in zero G combat the first time he experienced it, figuring out to circumvent Spidey's spider-sense, his mind meld technique, healing techniques, the multitudes of moves he learned from the book of the Iron Fist, blindfighting, so forth and so on.
Although, this is a fun one, and bear in mind that the foes aren't the real Cap and Wolvie, just simulations of them:
Fast and skilled enough to grab a shield throw, amp it, throw it back with a takedown shot, then turn around to deflect bullets (chi amping them with a touch). He has speed, skill, training, and situational awareness, not to mention a healthy resume of foes he has taken down. The thing is, I don't see Neji as being more versatile considering the vast array of what Danny can do. It's more than about power, catching bullets, and laying out the likes of Hercules or Ragnarok. He can drain energy, heal, mind meld, cover large areas, fight at range, free himself from mind control, control of his own nervous system, heal others, etc, etc, etc.
Two things I would look for to seal a vote against Danny would be Neji's speed, skill in hand to hand, and the application of the chi seal, which I still have doubts on for aforementioned reasons.
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