Wyldsong

@sirfizzwhizz: I'm going to try and not be a stranger my friend. My time is fairly limited, so I'll keep my focus on a handful of unknowns, and I'll comment here and there. I'm a bit rusty, so I need to work back into it slowly=)

@sirfizzwhizz: Been gone for so long...that they let the infamous SFW account back into the game...lol. Anyhow...overall, I feel OPM villains are more powerful than MHA villains on average, but this MHA team takes it pretty handily.

This thread really should have been locked a long time ago...as much as I love the Ghostbusters...even crossing the streams isn't doing much of anything here. They would try to tap her with the beams, she would get pissed and kill them with a look before they would even consider crossing the beams...so it's a moot point.

The Ghostbusters have morals, no knowledge, no prep...and Lady Death is pretty much bloodlusted...all the time. She's stood face to face with forces stronger than their beams, and her shields are no joke. And...she doesn't even have to move, talk or even lift a finger to kill them.

End of story.

@kaijuking:

Why didnt reality shift depower Mean Supreme to begin with when Moore Supreme took over, why was certain Supremes stronger than Moore Supreme with multiple reality shifts?

Supreme Blue, after the Moore stuff, weaker Supreme from a reality shift. Suprema in the Youngblood series, weaker than the Moore era, after a reality shift, same Suprema from the Moore era. Not all reality shifts increase Supreme's in power. Liefeld's Supreme was a special case, that transformed into the Moore Supreme, and then split off into the Mean Supreme. You have cases of Supreme's weakening from the various shifts.

Why was Mean Supreme straight still MFTL, Planet Busting after the shift somehow means he was weaker?

He absorbed a crap ton of energy attacks, then amped himself with the energy. He never stopped with the adaptive powers.

Why was Omni Man shown Moore Supreme level fighting Dominex, and why was weaker version of Mark tanking any blows or knocking around Solar Man who was stated near Mean Supreme levels by writer?

No clue who Dominex is (finally just started my reading on Invincible), and Solar Man wasn't really hurt by any of the knocking around excluding the magic attacks, and wasn't really hurt until he was depowered somewhat, and that was Dragon that took him down in the end. Not to mention, I can show Mark getting hurt by attacks that Badrock claims tickled and laughed off, and Badrock wouldn't stand much of a chance against Mean Supreme...plus Badrock loses to Dragon, who can more than affect him with his punches.

The writer backs the idea multiple times his characters are planetary level and able to fight Superman.

And I have no issues with that, but Moore Supreme goes into lifting the weight of the universe...that's a bit above most iterations of Superman. I really don't have any issues with your assessment of Invincible characters, I just don't agree with Mean Supreme being at Moore levels of power when he and OM fought, especially considering reality shifts can and have depowered Supreme's, and there is no arguing that.

Three things here:

1 - We are going to disagree on this, but I have given you diatribes with all the intel you need to show the reality shift affected his power levels. I don't see any other way him taking on a Moore level character works out, at all. That said, still a good feat for OM, because he is taking on a fairly skilled character in combat in an even battle.

2 - The one thing we will agree on, is how Image works with it's crossovers, you won't hear me arguing against it, not unless it is just a stupid showing, then we go PIS/CIS. Mean Supreme vs OM, does not fall into those parameters thanks to the reality shift. I do agree Viltrumites get played down quite a bit, I just don't see a Moore level Supreme argument, not without a reality shift and power level reduction for Mean Supreme.

3 - Image Team wins either way. A combo of MS and MJ is just brutal, what with 2 scientific and tactical geniuses. Not to mention, Mean Supreme has the adaptive ability, which he can use mid combat to alter and adapt his powers on the fly and disrupt the energy flow of his opponents to weaken them...plus the energy absorption to amp himself against 3 gamma powered monsters, plus if he where at Moore levels, that's a nearly silver age character that pretty much vastly outstats the opposing team...and Spawn is just the icing on the cake for team Image.

Beyond all of that, good to see you back here bud. Now I just have to stop being lazy and come back and play=)

@kaijuking: Alright, my answer may be the same, but are we talking Mean Supreme at the level he was initially freed from the Supremacy, or Mean Supreme at the reality shift when he faced Omni-Man?

Under these conditions, I'd back Shang Chi.

QFT

@frozen: Yowsa...haven't seen the movie yet, but had to look. Yeah, Goblin takes this very comfortably I think=)