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#1 Posted by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

I went ahead and chose the American horror, but to be honest, I would be more tied between that and Asian horror. Not that I find any of it anywhere near scary, I still enjoy a good horror film from just about all genres/countries.

#2 Posted by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@wolverine08 said:

@wyldsong: Bring it bro!

I can't post anymore today, I am too tired and pissy as you will see in the above post, but I think the point was made=)

I burst out laughing at the Kool-Aid Man reference :)

=)

Did I sufficiently make my point?

#4 Posted by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

I love the turtles, and will defend them in most cases...but they lose horribly here.

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@wolverine08 said:

@wyldsong: Bring it bro!

I can't post anymore today, I am too tired and pissy as you will see in the above post, but I think the point was made=)

#6 Edited by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

@afrothunder:

So instead of actually correcting me on those so called bad performances of Sarah (which is a lot)

A lot of bad performances? Seriously? You prove your ignorance, and lack of actual knowledge on the characters being discussed.

you instead decided to try and educate me on the Witchblade which was something i already knew about

No, you have quite factually proven that you in fact no nothing on these two characters (Sara and the Witchblade) beyond a few misrepresented scans.

so as far as this battle is concerned Cavewoman still beats Sarah via knock out dude

Quite the opposite, "dude". Cavewoman is lacking in every conceivable category, and you cupcake are the only single person (besides one other tiny voice) on this entire thread that seems to think so. But let's continue with this little charade to appease this little bit of theatrical nonsense. Everything little thing I have shown you is relevant. Everything. Now only in your own little world view, where you pick nothing but low showings, and try and base the performance of a character overall on it, is your own argument valid.

The title of the book, for your information, is the Witchblade. It's not Sara Pezzini. It's not "insert bearer's name here". It is the Witchblade. Let's get this through to your little narrow view right now. You know why you are seeing showings of the Witchblade with other bearers, well, let's see what Ron Marz has to say:

"Be aware that the title of the book is Witchblade, not "Sara Pezzini." -- Ron Marz

http://www.newsarama.com/17735-marz-returns-it-s-called-witchblade-not-sara-pezzini.html

There is your source for that statement. Now, the manga and anime, both canon to the series: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&old=1&id=10063

But hell, let's break down the thread title, that you made: Witchblade (Sara Pezzini)

If you had even one tiny little ounce of a clue about the book, then you would understand, the Witchblade is not Sara. Sara is not the Witchblade. Sara is not called the Witchblade. She doesn't run around, saying, "It's alright, for it is I, the Witchblade to save the day!"

The Witchblade is it's own thing, it's own character, and is in fact the titular character of the book, as it is an abstract being with it's own thoughts and will, as anyone that has ever really read and understood the damn book can tell you. Only someone without a clue would equate the Witchblade to a bearer. The bearer has not one single damn thing to do with the more exotic powers the Witchblade chooses to show and display. Even Sara spends a lot of time stating that she still doesn't fully understand the Witchblade and how it does what it does, yet it is still able to perform on it's own to get things done. Every showing of the Witchblade, is the Witchblade's power and doing, and is not a power or ability based on the bearer. You cannot deny or argue that it constantly adapts, because that would be exceedingly foolish on your part.

Go to the Witchblade page here on comicvine...it's even listed as a character, not as an object (like Mjolnir and such). You have pitted two characters against Cavewoman, not one, and as such, they each have their own showings.

i'v already explained the whole adaptability thing. The only thing you have done was prove me right in that it always has to engage whatever it is it's up against in order to learn what the foe is capable of, and adapt to it which is a problem because right off the bat Meriem is stronger and faster than Sarah is.

And if you had bothered to pay even slightest lick of attention to what you have been shown in this thread, then the light of understanding would shine on you, and you would have a hallelujah moment, and you would understand that there is not one single special thing that the Witchblade needs to adapt to here with Cavewoman. She is a brick, Plain and simple, and Sara has taken on far stronger and faster. Good god, every feat you have is of her fighting simple flesh and blood creatures, and knocking them around, I have shown you the Witchblade tearing giant monsters to shreds and ending them. Did you miss this:

What is a little dinosaur, or any beastie that Cavewoman has faced compared to that? I'll tell you what: Nothing.

And seriously, you want to bring up a non-canon showing of the Punisher? Are you for real? Do want to retract that, or should I ridicule you, and actually explain the difference between canon and non-canon? Please don't tell me that I will seriously have to explain this to you? And seeing the above in full enlarged glory, are you going to try and tell me with a straight face, that you honestly believe that the Punisher drivel is legit? Please don't embarrass yourself and try and claim that it was. In a bit, I'll even get to Sara stomping Ian Nottingham, who would utterly destroy the Punisher in a fight. Not to mention in the following pages, you see that Punisher's hit did not do one thing to Sara...and Sara was holding back!

But hell, let's clarify this and show the whole scene:

Holy crap, you literally get to see the Witchblade manhandle both guys, that your scans would have us believe both easily slapped Sara around, and you get to see where she literally holds the Witchblade back from killing Frank, and she discusses with him how she could have handled the prisoner without killing him...so she was holding back against him as well.

Context, wow, what a great thing!

It can sense supernatural things about foes but nothing suggest it can sense how strong or fast a foe is who's not supernatural, which looks like the case in that pick with Jake Macarthy who from what i'v read was put into a coma trying to protect a weakened Sarah and was possessed by a demon when he awoke from the coma.

Oh good gawd, did you even read the scan where it broke the sometimes morphing and intangible foe down on a molecular level? How do you think it knew that was the way to beat that foe, which was not supernatural, but tech based? A good guess? Jaysus...get a clue. It took the Coin of Solomon out of Jake in the scene you mentioned, which, if you have any clue about the Witchblade story, had not one single thing to do with the being that later possessed Jake, whose arse Sara kicked. Now, why you even brought that up, I have no clue, but there, the scene is clarified for you.

Okay? Cavewoman could do that too. Next.

Oh, so you got a scan of her tearing up a tank that is far more durable than a little dinosaur she simply knocked around? Please do, prove this. Otherwise, I call bull$#1t.

If you mean throwing a helicopter blade at them then yeah Meriem can do that just as easily. The woman has killed mutated dinos with nothing but sticks and rocks this would be no different (except with something a lot better than sticks and rocks lol).

Are you trying to claim that flesh and blood is as durable as a metal armored tank or helicopter? Seriously? Are you for freaking real? Did you miss where dove through the helicopter with his body, taking it out? How about just straight punching out a helicopter without the use of sticks and rocks, just his fist:

But I am sure you can show Cavewoman with her superior strength doing something similar? But wait...let's up this a bit more. A showing that I always thought was non-canon, to the Darkness at least, was the Superman crossover. After further research, I found that it is at least still canon to the Darkness in the same strange way that the Batman crossover is. Per the writer of it, who has written quite a bit of Superman and the Darkness, Jackie is at least strong enough to do this with Supes:

Per a Superman and Darkness author, Jackie is strong enough to toss Supes around a little, and draw blood with a punch (he did tell me on twitter that Jackie was not fully on Supe's level strength wise, but strong enough to put up a fight as shown and draw blood)...do I need to show you again where the Witchblade can amp a bearer's strength enough to fight evenly with the likes of Jackie, or Invincible level characters again? Are you going to try and claim that Cavewoman could do the same now? But geez...the Witchblade has even killed the Darkness in the current Top Cow U, something that Cavewoman couldn't even dream of doing:

Yes, this is legit, this is canon, this really happened. The Witchblade took out the Darkness who has tanked explosions, re-entry, and so on, who has regenerated from a jawbone and so on...

You want to discuss misrepresented losses? How about I add a bit to that, and the explanations for the whole class to see?

So let's start with Ian Nottingham. For one, Sara and him have history, and such, she often restrains the Witchblade, not to mention as you will see in a few scans below, the Witchblade is weak against him, as he has a tendency to drain the Witchblade with his mystic draining power. This is a guy that routinely catches bullets with his bare hands, and deflects them with a sword:

Pay close attention to this scan, he catches every bullet while running:

He also charges speeding cars with a sword, cutting through the car and the driver:

And I will also throw out that he has beaten Sara on occasion, such as when he blitzes her here while she has the Witchblade active, and takes her down (remember the holding back and draining aspect?):

He is most definitely superhuman in stats. Still, with the Witchblade she has the speed and the stats to fight evenly with Ian (until he starts draining the Witchblade):

She is more than capable of tagging him and giving him a pretty even fight:

If you look through the scans where I have shown her tanking explosions and multistory falls (and really, you would have us believe that Cavewoman can actually hurt her after seeing that?), you will see the other instances where she has flat out beaten Ian, but here is another set of scans that shows she is more than capable of beating Ian:

Good gawd, she has stomped Ian more than he has beaten her, and his wins carried some heavy context.

But wait, we also saw Kenneth Irons in there too...Irons is a grade A bad arse. He himself has blitzed and put the beat down on Ian a few times:

Sara has taken him down as well:

Kenneth had centuries of fighting experience, and was immortal until the Witchblade drained the immortality from him. He also had an immortal son, Gerard, who also had centuries of fighting experience. Sure, he gets the upper hand initially, but Sara does finally get the drop on him, then just plain drops him:

The Witchblade was even at half strength that fight (Gerard actually had half of it himself), and Gerard was shown to be Ian's superior in combat, but Sara still took him down. Wow, when we add context to a low showing, it begins to make more sense! He beat her at first because they each had half of the Witchblade, and then she was able to come back and blitz and beat him! Imagine that.

Sara also once upon a time took on a character by the name of Celestine Wright. Celestine was a peak human physical/mental/Taskmaster-esque fighting prodigy, and the Witchblade was considering leaving Sara to join up with her, the Witchblade was refusing to really help Sara...that is until Sara put the beat down on Celeste, without the aid of the Witchblade:

And the Aphrodite IV instances, the android that was programmed with nearly every conceivable killing art known to mankind? Their first fight, IV put up a good fight, but only manages to get away, not win:

Their second meeting, was fairly even, then interrupted (bear in mind, IV had received upgrades prior to this fight after the data was analyzed from their first fight, and was upgraded to face Artifact bearers):

But, after Sara destroys 3 androids that we more advanced than IV (and were slapping IV around):

IV does get the drop on Sara with surprise attack, and takes her down after getting skewered by the Witchblade:

Their next two fights though, Sara takes the extremely hawt and bad arse assassin droid down:

Are we paying attention to the level of destruction IV was capable of? And let's be clear, any of the Aphrodites would own Cavewoman in a fight.

So let's see...Cavewoman doesn't have a mystic draining ability, nor does she have a history with Sara and the Witchblade, which would cause Sara to try and restrain the Witchblade. Sara has in fact taken the Witchblade back from characters far more powerful that Cavewoman, so we don't have to worry about it trying to leave Sara for Cavewoman, especially since you pit Cavewoman against both of these two characters here for this battle, Sara and the Witchblade. Cavewoman is not an android trained in every conceivable killing art, and was not programmed and upgraded specifically to fight artifact bearers. Cavewoman also does not possess the Coin of Solomon, and artifact that Aphrodite IV carried, and Sara ripped out of her. Cavewoman doesn't even possess a portion of the Witchblade, something that Gerard had in his fight (which we saw all the good it actually did him). And Cavewoman lacks in the actual means to really do lasting damage to Sara with the Witchblade: A supernatural attack.

Cavewomans little knife? Please, the Witchblade has resisted the Spear of Destiny (a god killer):

It has resisted the Blood Sword (which has killed an Angelus and other Artifact bearer's):

So wait, it can tank re-entry, explosions, multi-story impact damage, bullets, punches and hits from various tonner level monsters and demons, and resists weapons that have killed gods, and you expect us to believe that Cavewoman has a chance here, especially she has nothing special that the Witchblade needs to adapt to? She doesn't bring anything to the table that the Witchblade hasn't faced.

Oh wait, what can the Witchblade do on it's own if Sara were to somehow be knocked out?

Even on the off chance that Cavewoman knocks Sara out, someone who has tanked explosions, and multi-story falls with the Witchblade (which I have shown), someone who has been healed from fatal wounds and been brought back from the dead with the Witchblade, you pit Cavewoman against two characters in this battle. The Witchblade (who even comicvine itself lists as a character) and Sara Pezzini as the bearer, each with their own separate showings, and all of the power showings belong to the Witchblade. A being that has tanked re-entry (that Cavewoman cannot possibly hurt), can one shot naval destroyers, hurt characters 400,000 tonners have a hard time hurting, kills gods, giant monsters, the Darkness and so on.

Scream Sara Pezzini is the bearer all you want. Scream it in the streets and to the very heavens, but it does not change the fact that Sara and the Witchblade are TWO SEPARATE BEINGS. The Witchblade was born, not created, manufactured, crafted and so on. It has it's own thoughts, and will, and all a bearer can really ever hope to do, is to have enough will to try and reign it in. The bearer has not one damn thing to do with the powers of the Witchblade.

Who the frack cares if you haven't seen the Witchblade flying and shooting at the same time? It can fly, it can shoot, and it doesn't even need either to take down a simple brick, who does not have one single, solitary showing that states it can do one do one damn thing to take down the Witchblade, much less Sara with the Witchblade.

People need to get on simple little fact through their heads when discussing the Witchblade, and hopefully that point is made painfully, and obviously clear: The Witchblade is a completely separate and different being than Sara. It is fully adaptable, and it learns, and as such it can produce pretty much any damn power it needs for a situation, and develops new powers all the time, and to deny any showings because of a bearer, simply shows ignorance on what the Witchblade has always been shown and proven to be. It doesn't just forget things because it has a new bearer...hell, past bearers and their experiences are part of the Witchblade:

The Witchblade thinks, has memories, feelings, and even carries the bearers of the past with it. This is not some little magic weapon or trinket that a bearer has to master to make it do things. Most of it's most powerful and exotic showings are the Witchblade choosing to do something because it needs to be done for the good of the bearer. Do we understand now why showings of it sealing holes in reality and other similar showings is important now? Because that was something the Witchblade did itself, not something the bearer accomplished, and shows the Witchblade adapting to do something that needs to be done.

So yes, canon showings of the Witchblade increasing a bearer's strength, speed, one shotting naval destroyers and so on, is all valid, and applicable, as those are showings of the Witchblade giving needed amps on it's own, and has not one damn thing to do with the bearer, since the power again comes from the Witchblade, not the bearer.

Cavewoman is far, far out of her element here. She does not stand a chance against these two, and loses horribly based on everything you have already been shown, and the new information presented here.

You can show me Cavewoman punching a dino, great. I have shown you Sara and the Witchblade eviscerating monsters (to shreds, not simple cutting off a head) and gods, even breaking down a foe on the molecular level.

You show me misrepresented scans of Sara's supposedly many losses. I show you the clarified scans, with actual context to the losses, and then her turning around an beating those she lost to.

You bring claims of this is Sara, and other bearers have nothing to do with it. I show you that the Witchblade is in fact it's own being, it's own character, and show you that it can act and do things on it's own, and that you have in fact pitted Cavewoman against two characters here.

All Cavewoman has on Sara is a larger rump and bust size. She has not one single thing that states she can deal with the duo of Sara and the Witchblade. You have not shown me one single thing that Cavewoman could do, that Sara with the Witchblade could not top or stand up to.

The rest of your comments are really neither here nor there, as I have touched on them all, and refuted them in some fashion already. Cavewoman is far out of her league, and this discussion is over.

Beyond one other small little voice other than yours, you are really the one and only person defending Cavewoman here. That is it. And there is a very big reason for that: Cavewoman cannot possibly win here.

No one else is drinking your kool-aid. So please, continue with misrepresented scans, and Cavewoman and her little dinos. You have not shown Cavewoman facing one single thing that the Witchblade and Sara couldn't overcome with ease.

You and I are done here=)

#7 Posted by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikep12 said:

@easternwind It might be a disadvantage if the characters you want get taken. But yeah I'll add you to the list. @wyldsong still interested?

Sorry brother man, I really want to, but between your high tier tourney, a CaV that I have been promising to @wolverine08, and one more with two teams of four that should be getting off the ground here soon, I may be a bit too overbooked.

#8 Edited by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@afrothunder said:

@wyldsong said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@afrothunder said:

@daredevil21134: You might be right in that she fights a lot of opponents not knowing what they are capable of (iv'e only read about as much as i needed to know about her and the Witchblade from the comics) but to say that she's going to be creating minions and flying etc is seriously stretching it against an unknown.

Yeah, I agree

Considering the weapon is an adapting and learning weapon, and comes up with new powers all the time (which anyone who has really, and truly read Witchblade can tell you this), then stating any of the multitude of things it can do is not out of the question, since many of these instances are against foes it has faced for the first time. And flying and mystic blasts are two of the things it has done a multitude of times.

There really is no shortage of answers here for the Witchblade versus what amounts to a basic brick.

I didn't see her fly when she fought those androids, i didn't see her fly or summon darklings when she fought Aprodite 4 (twice), i didn't see her opening up a portal when she was fighting the super soldier, i didn't see her sprouting wings or summoning creatures when the Punisher slapped her silly. I never said she can't do those things, i said she wouldn't be able to in this particular situation. Whatever the Witchblade does depends on the situation it's a situational type device.

And this so called brick is going to lay the smackthdown on Sarahs behind and ya know what? I wouldn't be surprised if during or after this fight the Witchblade decides to dump Sarah like a bad boyfriend and latch onto a physically superior host in Cavewoman.

Don't worry cupcake, I am getting to you. Just sit tight.

Yes, I am in a mood, and he is pushing those buttons. The thunder is coming=)

#9 Posted by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@afrothunder said:

@daredevil21134: You might be right in that she fights a lot of opponents not knowing what they are capable of (iv'e only read about as much as i needed to know about her and the Witchblade from the comics) but to say that she's going to be creating minions and flying etc is seriously stretching it against an unknown.

Yeah, I agree

Considering the weapon is an adapting and learning weapon, and comes up with new powers all the time (which anyone who has really, and truly read Witchblade can tell you this), then stating any of the multitude of things it can do is not out of the question, since many of these instances are against foes it has faced for the first time. And flying and mystic blasts are two of the things it has done a multitude of times.

There really is no shortage of answers here for the Witchblade versus what amounts to a basic brick.

I didn't see her fly when she fought those androids, i didn't see her fly or summon darklings when she fought Aprodite 4 (twice), i didn't see her opening up a portal when she was fighting the super soldier, i didn't see her sprouting wings or summoning creatures when the Punisher slapped her silly. I never said she can't do those things, i said she wouldn't be able to in this particular situation. Whatever the Witchblade does depends on the situation it's a situational type device.

And this so called brick is going to lay the smackthdown on Sarahs behind and ya know what? I wouldn't be surprised if during or after this fight the Witchblade decides to dump Sarah like a bad boyfriend and latch onto a physically superior host in Cavewoman.

Don't worry cupcake, I am getting to you. Just sit tight.

#10 Posted by Wyldsong (4176 posts) - - Show Bio

Give Thanos prep to make this fair

Best answer so far=)