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#1 Edited by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr said:

Winchesters if you are going by the TV shows. Buffy gets tagged a lot. I see no reason she would be able to dodge two sharpshooters. She was reduced to being pinned down behind a bar once Darla started shooting dual pistols (with little seeming skill) in "Angel" is the seventh episode of the first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Not sure what she would do versus a shotgun.

First season Buffy does not equate to final season Buffy, who was dodging automatic gunfire and dealing with armed soldiers without issue in later seasons. She increased in reflexes, speed, physical stats and skill as the show went on. As for the shotgun, they don't have that listed in their equipment in this battle.

#2 Edited by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerdchore said:

@wyldsong: this isnt 1 season dean and sam where they would juat let them charge. Current dean and sam wouldnt hesitate to shoot if the person Charged at them.

If you throw out their morals and character development, then sure. Dean may be a bit twitchy thanks to the mark, but he isn't in the game of killing humans without reason. Sam is definitely not there...especially when it is their job to protect humans from the supernatural...which is kind of their purpose in life. Without intel, they don't know she isn't a baseline human. Regardless, I am just going to say f#c$ it, and run with the below at this point.

@the_stegman said:

Y'know what? forget it, I still vote Buffy, I feel like she has the agility to circumavigate their shots and take them down.

I am with you. She has dodged automatic gunfire from a guy that had a bead on her and was set and prepped to shoot, she has reacted to various projectiles, energy attacks, and magic bolts. She faced off against initiative members and their tech (took out a group of them before they had the chance to shoot her...and they were trained and in peak shape), Adam and his tech. People want to pin a one time, low showing as the norm for her. The thing is, it isn't the norm. A moment of PIS does not make the character and their abilities, especially when the majority of their feats are above and beyond the one, single, low showing. Batman drew blood from Superman in a new 52 book. Do we now pin that as the norm for Superman, or do we recognize a moment of PIS for what it is? Hell, we can pull up a ton of examples, but if it goes against the norm, we need to recognize it for what it is, pure unadulterated, PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity for the uninitiated). Something done for the sake of plot, nothing less, nothing more.

I'll maintain that this setup is not the setup for the Winchester's to pull a win.

#3 Edited by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@mattknowsbest: Iron Fist is a weapon period, he is the living weapon to be certain, as his whole body is a weapon, and that is the current moniker from the new series. He doesn't rely on gadgets and tech...unlike Batman. And I didn't disregard #3, but those statements don't really do anything to prove Batman over Iron Fist. Batman has not faced the likes of Danny, the likes of Danny does not exist in DC, and Bats has no counter for him.

#4 Edited by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerdchore: I disagree. While they are fairly durable, they have still been one shotted and manhandled by less than Buffy. And again, she'll most likely close the distance with normal speed, which would be about normal. The superhuman running speed is not something she pulls out all the time, and they are not shooting her in cold blood for just running towards them at speeds a human could pull. They have no indication she is more than human, and they don't generally just shoot humans in cold blood.

#5 Edited by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerdchore: If she gets into hand to hand, she is fast and strong enough to one shot them, both of which have been one shotted and manhandled before by superhuman strength with far less skill than Buffy, and it is honestly far easier to shoot someone at range, than if they are in hand to hand, with her moving among the two brothers, they risk shooting the other. In a random, honestly it would be better with one of the brothers having one of their amps (demon blood Sam or First Blade Dean), but then Buffy would need the scythe. I only see them winning in a similar scenario if the brothers had some knowledge and maybe a little bit of prep. Hell, Buffy even faced Riley and members of the initiative with their high tech gear and weapons and managed to not get shot (I don't even think Adam ever successfully shot her), and has avoided automatic gunfire (the plot induced gun shot by the "nerd" is really a one time, low showing).

Could the brothers feasibly beat her? I think so, just not in this scenario. Add in comic Buffy feats, they lose their arses 10/10.

#6 Posted by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@paragonnate: I definitely saw what you were getting at my friend=)

#7 Posted by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerdchore: Well, I would hate to think you were being serious with the devil's trap bit=)

As for shooting her, I don't think it will happen, but why rehash what I have already hashed out? We disagree, so I will leave it at that=)

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@nerdchore said:

exactly my thought. EVen if she tagged one of them the other will shoot her. Either that or knock her out and trap her in a devils circle.

She's not a demon...she has not been affected by things that would affect demons in her series...and they don't just carry portable devil circles...they are unprepped here...and it is not like they are going to get a chance to whip one up right on the spot...

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@bat_girl_cc said:

@wyldsong said:

@bat_girl_cc said:

@wyldsong said:

@bat_girl_cc said:

Well, all the time may be a bit too much...but i agree, even tho, most times that happens to close some loose-ends from filler-episodes, so they can move on with the main story.

Anyhow, i just want to point out, something that most people always forgets...even if the Winchester's lose and die, GOD will eventually bring them back, anyway...(yeah, i'm aware that it's a plot device, but still)...we saw it on season 5 episode 16 - The Dark Side of the Moon...it was stated, that GOD had bring back the winchesters from the dead, countless times, and erased their memories of being in heaven...so even if Buffy kills them (not sure if she would be able to)...they would just keep coming back, until they finish the job.

She wouldn't kill them, she would most likely just KO them. They aren't big bad supernatural threats, and the OP left it open, so BFR and knock out are both possible wins. Morals were left on for this fight. People have been far too focused on win by death here (not accusing you BGCC), and they aren't likely to shoot a human girl (they don't know she has powers) in cold blood with morals on.

I can see it going either way...for instances, Dean and Sam make short work out of vampires, on a daily basis...on season 6 i belive, Supernatural had a team of children/teenagers with some training and little experience, killing vamps like if it was an easy thing to do...but if Dean and Sam have no idea of who she is, then she wins...but if Dean has the colt with him, she's toast!..the colt can kill any supernatural creature, minus the most powerful ones, like angels, leviathans, etc.

The colt would do it most definitely, and Sam and Dean are killer shots. Buffy though is a bit different than the vamps and supernatural creatures Sam and Dean face, and she is more skilled than most of what they face. In this scenario, they have no knowledge on her nor intel, which if they had that and some prep, I could see an argument possibly being made. Here, it is just a random encounter.

Agreed.

Although honestly, the colt itself might be overkill=)

Really, just some prep and intel would go a long way here for them.

#10 Edited by Wyldsong (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@bat_girl_cc said:

Well, all the time may be a bit too much...but i agree, even tho, most times that happens to close some loose-ends from filler-episodes, so they can move on with the main story.

Anyhow, i just want to point out, something that most people always forgets...even if the Winchester's lose and die, GOD will eventually bring them back, anyway...(yeah, i'm aware that it's a plot device, but still)...we saw it on season 5 episode 16 - The Dark Side of the Moon...it was stated, that GOD had bring back the winchesters from the dead, countless times, and erased their memories of being in heaven...so even if Buffy kills them (not sure if she would be able to)...they would just keep coming back, until they finish the job.

She wouldn't kill them, she would most likely just KO them. They aren't big bad supernatural threats, and the OP left it open, so BFR and knock out are both possible wins. Morals were left on for this fight. People have been far too focused on win by death here (not accusing you BGCC), and they aren't likely to shoot a human girl (they don't know she has powers) in cold blood with morals on.

I can see it going either way...for instances, Dean and Sam make short work out of vampires, on a daily basis...on season 6 i belive, Supernatural had a team of children/teenagers with some training and little experience, killing vamps like if it was an easy thing to do...but if Dean and Sam have no idea of who she is, then she wins...but if Dean has the colt with him, she's toast!..the colt can kill any supernatural creature, minus the most powerful ones, like angels, leviathans, etc.

The colt would do it most definitely, and Sam and Dean are killer shots. Buffy though is a bit different than the vamps and supernatural creatures Sam and Dean face, and she is more skilled than most of what they face. In this scenario, they have no knowledge on her nor intel, which if they had that and some prep, I could see an argument possibly being made. Here, it is just a random encounter.