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Idk who Luther Strode is but Danny using Drunken Fist can beat Midnighter same way he beat that telepath lacky of Osborne's.

Neither opponent knows anything of the other.

@cerberus369616: Look dude, the fact is you wanna say Batman has a bunch of stuff he clearly cannot carry, giant robots are not gear. I've already explained out the best chances that team DC has. I explained the feats I know IF has done, and I know Bats can't top them. As bad as it sounds, no one on team DC is gonna know how to handle magic in the form of Danny Rand, he's constantly out performed in every rendition since the Immortal Iron Fist series. The writers made him an uber tool, that's the end of the argument, every thing I've read of his, he only gets taken out by extreme numbers, extreme exhaustion, and/or being over powered. None of team DC can over power him, bring him to the kind of exhaustion he displayed in hell or outnumber him when he is backed as well as he is. Iron Fist all by himself against team DC after 12 hours of prep, he will be brought down. Iron Fist along with the rest of team Marvel slaughter Team DC and those who are smart, run. Bruce gets even more depressed than he already is when he looses any of the kids he's trained, blames himself for sending them to their deaths. Team Marvel is soldiers and warriors who have been through wars and killed hundreds, possibly thousands of men added all together. Team Bat kids are not ready for that kind of opposition. This argument is over.

@cerberus369616: Did I say IF solos?! I think you should separate your responses so it doesn't look like you're talking to me when you're responding to something someone else said. I countered your argument for Bats being able to simply drop IF as easily as you stated. Lets be real here, morals on for DC Batman, is trying to stop half of his team from trying to kill the Marvel team. Why, because if the DC team doesn't give the Marvel team everything they've got they are going down, you're basically banking on Batman leading this group to a quick victory and one slight misstep from anyone in the DC team means chaos that Bats can't afford. IF can however overtake any single opponent from the other team, probably 2 and possibly 3-4. It's a fact IF usually gets hit from being distracted or just totally out numbered, but hundreds of hydra agents with all the gear in the world including spider tanks and shit don't beat him. So this is what the rest of the DC team needs to do, they need to perfectly take out the rest of the Marvel team immediately upon contact or focus entirely on IF. Well Daken and Wolverine aren't getting put down quickly that's for sure. While wolverine may be magnetized or not, if team DC only brings one magnet then they have a problem if someone breaks that magnet (has to be a big fucking magnet, lets be honest here). Daredevil and Cap go toe to toe with Bats Shiva and Cain separately. Caps just the awesome that he is and DD coupled with his senses is on par with any of the Martial Arts nasties from team DC. Here's the kicker, vibranium covered BP is more than a match for what's left of the DC team. I'm actually imagining the DC team brought a giant magnet, sonic guns, explosives and all their other shit that I've ever seen. Any thrown weapon that is not an explosive or gunfire counts for not because all the Marvel characters dodge, block or swat or catch all that every time. Wolverine and Daken can also just take it and be fine the next second, we've seen it time and time again. So pretty much all but one Marvel character can beat any of the DC guys in H2H (Bats and Slade are being held neutral at the moment) due to some level of invulnerability. BP and Cap are almost unscathed do to Vibranium, best defense around, Logan and Daken regenerate at alarming rates. Last but not least the powerhouse that is IF. IF is the hand to hand combat expert that can fold anyone on the other team in 1vs1. Cap and BP are also incredible strategists with one having a genius level intelligence. There is no way that team DC is getting a full drop on team Marvel, 4-5 of the Marvel team have super senses. Team DC gets advantage for at least having Team Marvel cornered at first, maybe they drop DD with sonics first but also maybe Cap and BP shield him. Maybe they magnetize Wolverine but maybe someone breaks the magnet. Maybe all the DC fighters have masks so Daken doesn't pheromone them. You still have two expert tacticians, 1 genius, 4 combat experts, 1 super human powerhouse. Bombs, lots of bombs is what team DC would need and big ones and that may not even work considering the abundance of Vibranium and IF chi augmentation and energy absorption. Then what, after the last bomb is thrown, you want any of the Team DC to get in to hand to hand combat with T'chala or Danny and even Cap can hold his own against Bat's after his arsenal is expended and beat the kids to exhaustion and pummel. Also, I say bombs because there is no swatting, or dodging area of affect damage from explosions. Now Danny, T'chala and steve may be injured but able to stand and Daken climbing to his knees and healing. If injured enough then all 8 of the DC team have to fall upon the survivors and beat on them for a solid minute or two, make sure they don't let up and make sure they don't get hit any of them except maybe cap because Daken and T'chala can puncture or slash and possibly put anyone down for good whilst IF can put anyone down for good for sure.

Now two important things, all this relies on everything going absolutely perfect for team DC, perfect. Lastly, Iron Fist truly is the wild card, he can do anything for the Marvel team, he cannot only heal himself with quickness but also others, he can calm the DC fighters from distance, he can hypnotize, he can chi swat projectiles back at his attackers, he can move with super human speed to an extent we aren't sure yet via multiple ways of getting somewhere whether it be just strait running or turning himself into a bullet, he has ranged chi attacks, at least temporary invulnerability and he can form a fucking chi dragon. Literally team DC has to make everything perfect and drop the hammer on every Marvel character within the first 4-5 seconds and make sure they take out Iron Fist.

This isn't fanboyism, this is stating feats. The chance that team DC can pull everything off exactly as planned is the big trick, they have to pull everything off. 1 win for taking out IF first meaning throwing everything they've got at him and maybe crawling to a slow victory against the rest of the Marvel team, 1 win for taking out DD first and him not being healed and then bombing the rest, 1 win for removing wolverine and him not being freed, the others can't be dropped fast enough or long enough for a quick victory. Iron Fist doesn't solo but having the rest of the team their makes things a lot easier for him.

You see now why I say he's OP, he can do everything to crazy levels. Getting the drop on just Iron Fist, sure with enough help anyone can do it. Probably just Bats and the Robins, but IF has all that back up, if everyone focuses on IF then the rest of the team fans out and removes individual parts of Batman's big plan. I don't know how many more ways I can say it but I'll give you some numbers. 7/10 Marvel, 9/10 Iron Fist MVP. Again not fanboy, I'm just not stupid enough to think that Iron Fist isn't over powered!

Okay these are just some of his feats demonstrating an equal speed of attack and a durability unmatched, he's getting hit by lighting one second and continuing the fight the very next. What I'm not showing cause I couldn't find good enough or the images today and I don't try to hold all these images on my computer are Iron Fist dodging, swatting or catching every bullet ever fired in his vicinity. Another panel of his fight with Fat Cobra reveals that he actually manages to barely dodge the first lighting strike. It's not graceful but that was also before his reading the Book of the Iron Fist upgrade and his Immortal Weapon of Aggomotto upgrade. Needless to say, he is better in every way now than what you see here.

As for chakra points, no one knows whether Danny can just heal chakra hits as effectively as regular damage, if I had to take a guess, I'd say yes due to certain panels of him mentioning having to realign his chi.

I really wish the comic and Anime community would stop underestimating IF now, he hits like a ten tonner or more, he's as fast as spider-man, as durable as wolverine, sometimes more so. Oh and I forgot he has ranged attacks as well I like this one most even if he is facing the one opponent whom his chi matters not and he still beats this guy despite that fact!

@cerberus369616: "tranquilizer for Iron Fist" Whoa, you really think Iron Fist is getting taken out by a tranquilizer? He's been poisoned for the better part of a day, maintained perfect consciousness with no serious detriment and maintained articulate conversation while his chi burned away the poison and him catching a sniper's bullet whom he didn't even see. Look man, Bat's is cool but IF has been written to be OP, it's a fact of life at the moment. Just cause he isn't center stage of the Avengers doesn't mean he's a push over, he's got all the skills and talent necessary to be the best of the best. Falling short of Hulk or Thor only and even that may change. IF consistently performs on a level above what Bruce can handle and he doesn't have a weakness that he can exploit like Superman... Bruce does not have a solid counter for IF.

Also, what swords does Todd have?

Fist beats Midnighter, as he did the telepathic fighter working for Osborne. He switches to the Drunken style and Midnighter can't read his movements...

Please, Wolverine, DD's and Iron Fist's senses pick up team DC before they launch their attack Prep or not, they can't hide their scents, heartbeats, breathing and obviousness of a trap. On top of that, Cap, IF, Logan, Murdock, and T'chala regularly work together, half DC's teams heavy hitters aren't going to click right regardless of working together.

IF, chi augmentation makes him too fast, too strong and too powerful for Manta... It's like IF going up against a slightly more durable Cyclops except Manta isn't a tactician like Scott. IF dodges while closing, deflects a shot with chi infused palms and then puts a whole in Manta's chest.

I've read here Slade is a tactical genius? Iron Fist is a tactician in his own right when it comes to head to head combat. If they are working in perfect harmony, I don't think a SpOc or a Wolverine even working in unison which equates to a weird looking fastball special is doing anything but slowly being brought down... Danny and Slade have range, and if Danny BFR's Wolverine for long enough, the combination of slade and Danny is enough to step on a Octopus controlled Spider.

No Chi; no healing factor or adamantium, wolverine can keep his bone claws, they wont matter; no power or armor for BP; and no shield for Cap, just that peak level human. It's Daniel Rand Kai who trained every day from the age of 9-19 beating on and getting beat on by people who were doing the same thing and in the end beat everyone, all in order to kill a dragon, which he did with no chi and no weapons. Danny would most likely train every day still after this. Next feat, kills a super powered demon that sucked up his chi like it was cocaine, meaning his chi did not help him defeat his enemy, it was all Danny. At least from the age of 9-19 he fought and trained for 3650 days, on top of that time is different in Kun Lun, could have very well been longer... Maybe Logan has that kind of fighting experience but Cap and Bp don't.

Logan may have the years of experience, but is it the right experience for this fight, without his healing factor, no it's not. Logan may also know a lot of earthly Martial Arts but I don't think he knows them all. Lastly, it's stated in the comics that Iron Fists martial arts skills are the most greatly honed in the world. Any one going up against IF based purely on skill is loosing, you want a character to beat him, pick someone very powerful.

A better fight would be the other 3 vs IF which I say 6/4 BP+W+CA. Then the next fight you give IF his current power level and everyone else their shit back, make everyone bloodlusted and IF kills all with efficiency.