Wolfrazer

I have to be honest. Why not just make the X-Men an entirely separate reality? There’s plenty of characters and more so you don’t have to keep track of every other thing that’s happened.

Unless they are doing that, then ok. I just think that’s a much better move to make.

Let’s not mix SW Continuity within posts. This will just confuse others who aren’t familiar with the separation. This is Force Unleashed Vader, as per the OP, meaning EU.

@thevivas: It's even worse by the fact this being some decades later and yet they still haven't progressed. They're still dogwater at their power set?...Sure formal training from a teacher would help, but it's not exactly needed if you have some 30 years to develop it on your own through trial and error.

The KoR are just....very disappointing, I guess I won't knock them too harshly on their fighting skill...but even there, it's by comparison to their Force abilities which isn't great. I'm not even sure why they have Force abilities, if this is what they have.

I’ve always enjoyed Cyclops as a character tbh. The only one above him X-men wise for me is Nightcrawler.

@ieatnettles: I believe Frozen has the quotes on hand. Or Eredin.

I mean it's obvious when they are literally referred to as weak/nothing special with The Force, a few of their members barely being able to touch it and being basically noted as just sort of a group of thugs.

@eredin12: His focus seemed to be more on the movies, you can tell that he doesn't know really about the wider lore, but that's a whole separate issue entirely. It would be fine if the Canon comics and novels actually more followed to what TCW/Rebels, but considering they don't....that's where the contradicting issues arise. Which is probably going to get moreso, with these new shows coming out and that Filoni movie that is being worked on. Barring of course clear outliers of Force showings, because TCW/Rebels had those moments too, but these are hardly replicated in any other instance.

Vader and Sidious are basically safe as far as power consistency is concerned, considering in the grand scheme of things, they didn't do much within the OT to showcase power and the fact that showrunners aren't just going to throw in Vader and Sidious into a multiple seasons show like TCW as main characters. Same with Luke.

@eredin12: I mean yeah, the guy has admitted he doesn't like to strictly adhere to Canon. Which honestly is kinda...silly, considering this is suppose to be a coherent universe and it seems like the novels/comics take a backseat to whatever new show wants to come out. Although I guess if we're looking at it by movie standards, TCW isn't that contradicting if we look at it from that perspective because in the movies, Force Users even the most powerful ones, aren't exactly as they appear in the novels or comics.

But at the same time, there never really was an instance where they needed to be. I mean Vader in the OT, never really had an instance where he would need to go balls to the wall with his power, same with Luke(that and his Jedi training "Knowledge and Defense, NEVER for attack"), Sidious and Yoda. You didn't really see any limit, because there never really was shown to be one, the best we saw of Vader was tossing multiple objects at Luke in ESB, but he did so in a casual manner....so it's clear that he could potentially do more. Yoda telling Luke lifting his X-wing wouldn't be any issue for him(this mind you as a Padawan learner), it was only because he thought it was, so it's shown that there wasn't exactly a limit.

Though I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, from the wider SWU perspective, TCW and basically all the shows show Force Users as being more like the movies which isn't wrong, but it shouldn't be their limit either.

As more and more shows come out, it seems like they really won't mesh well with the novels and comics, as far as Force Users being consistent power wise....which is probably why they don't have much issue with retconning stories, seeing as the vast majority would rather watch TV or a movie than read a comic or novel.

Considering that, the best we could get for Anakin is probably before TCW, though when that happens who's to say and you'll probably have people wondering "well he wasn't like that in TCW, where was this crazy power there?!" That is if the authors would have him do something crazy Force Power wise to begin with, given TCW, so they would probably want him portrayed more closer to that.