"wolfdaman says:"POHOCOM says:"wolfdaman says:"Eraser says:"POHOCOM, you can't just say because Cap uses his shield to block attacks that it denounces his fighting ability. Your logic is a little off. Not anyone can use that shield. If you have been reading the later issues of Captain America you will read that Tony Starks had highly skilled SHIELD agents die trying to use Caps shield in combat because they didn't have the skill to use it.Just like Gambler says, Wolverine adapts his style to the situation. Why the hell would Wolverine have to be defensively agile in hand to hand fight with Batman when he takes punches from Hulk and Juggernaut and is able to hold his own to an extent. Wolverine is not a patient analytical fighter 100% of the time, he doesn't have to be. But when he fights opponents like Spiderman, Cap, DD, Electra, Hydra, even Punisher - He matches them in raw fighting ability. He is the type of fighting that can be a bar room brawler, or show the execution of the keenest martial arts ability.In the end, its a toss up with Cap and James, with Bats comin in third."
Yeah I did mention that. What I was saying is that "if" Wolverine were skilled enough to use a shield such as Cap's correctly, don't you think that he would be hit a lot less? The point I was trying to make is that, if Cap didn't have his shield to block half the attacks that come his way, then we would see just how often he gets hit."
I agree with you. If you read my earlier posts. I rate Batman ahead of Captain America.
Batman skills, take him just as far as Cap in fights, but Batman does not have the advantage of the shield or the perfect human physiology. Wolverine's skeleton, healing factor (especially now), and claws give him more in his fights than the other two men. "
Yes but, Wolverine doesn't have anything to "block" attacks like Cap does, so the fact that Wolverine gets hit more often is pretty silly, since Cap is just using his shield to block most attacks, not his H2H skill. Wolverine "still" gets his hits in despite the shield, I'd say that is skill.
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I don't think we disagree as much as it seems. You sound like you believe that I'm ONLY looking at how much Wolvie gets hit, which I never said. It also sounds like you believe that I've said that Wolvie is not skilled, which I never said. Getting past the shield
doesn't impress me, in the case of Wolverine because of his durability. Many durable foes Cap has faced including, Baron Blood, Deathlok, USAgent, and others have gotten past the shield. That doesn't mean anything. When you are able to go after a person without worrying about defense, you will be able to get shots in against a superior fighter. And before anyone misinterprets what I said again: None of the guys I just mentioned come close to Wolvie in skill. "
All I'm saying is look no further than the comic strips that have been represented, I don't see how anyone can think, based on what is seen there, and what is known of Wolvie, that he is not "at least" top 4 or 5 H2H fighters in Marvel.
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