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#1  Edited By wolfdaman

Marvel 15 person Battle Royale in a steel cage, who takes it? in what order do they get K.O.ed? here's the contenders......

1)Daredevil

2)Venom

3)Shang Chi

4)Iron Fist

5)Captain America

6)Wolverine

7)Spider-man

8)Thing

9)Black Panther

10)Deadpool

11)Taskmaster

12)Luke Cage

13)Colossus

14)Carnage

15)Elektra

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#2  Edited By wolfdaman

Gambler says:

"1. Champion2. Shang Chi3. Black Panther4. Iron Fist5. Captain America/Wolverine6. Wolverine/Captain America7. Bengal8. Daredevil9. Elektra10. Deadpool"

Nice list, even if it isn't the list I would think, It's still a nice list.

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#3  Edited By wolfdaman

My top 10 in the Marvel U are.....

1)Wolverine

2)Captain America

3)Iron Fist

4)Daredevil

5)Black Panther

6)Shang Chi

7)Elektra

8)Bengal

9)Karnak

10)Taskmaster

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#4  Edited By wolfdaman

Gambler says:

"Not affective? HE KILLED HIM! Like I said in at least three posts that have been ignored, Wolverine vs Sabretooth proves what? Its his main enemy so of course the fights or less about skill and more about plot and character development. I dont know why thats so hard to comprehend. Your focusing on the way Wolverine fights one character, and ignoring the way he's been portrayed over the years.Maybe I'm missing something. What are you saying exactly? Cause it sounds to me like your saying Wolverine isn't as skilled as Batman and Cap, cause of the way he fights Sabretooth. When Batman fights the Joker can we not apply the same logic then? Why does Joker even land a punch? He doesn't train, he has no hand to hand expertise. Yet for some reason he manages to hold his own against a character who's mastered every form of martial arts. Why? Cause its his main rival.*I see you still dont wanna cop to the Gambit remark, thats okay*"

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#5  Edited By wolfdaman

POHOCOM says:

"wolfdaman says:
"POHOCOM says:
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"Eraser says:
"POHOCOM, you can't just say because Cap uses his shield to block attacks that it denounces his fighting ability. Your logic is a little off. Not anyone can use that shield. If you have been reading the later issues of Captain America you will read that Tony Starks had highly skilled SHIELD agents die trying to use Caps shield in combat because they didn't have the skill to use it.Just like Gambler says, Wolverine adapts his style to the situation. Why the hell would Wolverine have to be defensively agile in hand to hand fight with Batman when he takes punches from Hulk and Juggernaut and is able to hold his own to an extent. Wolverine is not a patient analytical fighter 100% of the time, he doesn't have to be. But when he fights opponents like Spiderman, Cap, DD, Electra, Hydra, even Punisher - He matches them in raw fighting ability. He is the type of fighting that can be a bar room brawler, or show the execution of the keenest martial arts ability.In the end, its a toss up with Cap and James, with Bats comin in third."

Yeah I did mention that. What I was saying is that "if" Wolverine were skilled enough to use a shield such as Cap's correctly, don't you think that he would be hit a lot less? The point I was trying to make is that, if Cap didn't have his shield to block half the attacks that come his way, then we would see just how often he gets hit."

I agree with you. If you read my earlier posts. I rate Batman ahead of Captain America.

Batman skills, take him just as far as Cap in fights, but Batman does not have the advantage of the shield or the perfect human physiology. Wolverine's skeleton, healing factor (especially now), and claws give him more in his fights than the other two men. "

Yes but, Wolverine doesn't have anything to "block" attacks like Cap does, so the fact that Wolverine gets hit more often is pretty silly, since Cap is just using his shield to block most attacks, not his H2H skill. Wolverine "still" gets his hits in despite the shield, I'd say that is skill.


Post Edited:2008-02-20 17:39:14"

I don't think we disagree as much as it seems. You sound like you believe that I'm ONLY looking at how much Wolvie gets hit, which I never said. It also sounds like you believe that I've said that Wolvie is not skilled, which I never said. Getting past the shield

doesn't impress me, in the case of Wolverine because of his durability. Many durable foes Cap has faced including, Baron Blood, Deathlok, USAgent, and others have gotten past the shield. That doesn't mean anything. When you are able to go after a person without worrying about defense, you will be able to get shots in against a superior fighter. And before anyone misinterprets what I said again: None of the guys I just mentioned come close to Wolvie in skill. "

All I'm saying is look no further than the comic strips that have been represented, I don't see how anyone can think, based on what is seen there, and what is known of Wolvie, that he is not "at least" top 4 or 5 H2H fighters in Marvel.

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#6  Edited By wolfdaman

POHOCOM says:

"wolfdaman says:
"Eraser says:
"POHOCOM, you can't just say because Cap uses his shield to block attacks that it denounces his fighting ability. Your logic is a little off. Not anyone can use that shield. If you have been reading the later issues of Captain America you will read that Tony Starks had highly skilled SHIELD agents die trying to use Caps shield in combat because they didn't have the skill to use it.Just like Gambler says, Wolverine adapts his style to the situation. Why the hell would Wolverine have to be defensively agile in hand to hand fight with Batman when he takes punches from Hulk and Juggernaut and is able to hold his own to an extent. Wolverine is not a patient analytical fighter 100% of the time, he doesn't have to be. But when he fights opponents like Spiderman, Cap, DD, Electra, Hydra, even Punisher - He matches them in raw fighting ability. He is the type of fighting that can be a bar room brawler, or show the execution of the keenest martial arts ability.In the end, its a toss up with Cap and James, with Bats comin in third."

Yeah I did mention that. What I was saying is that "if" Wolverine were skilled enough to use a shield such as Cap's correctly, don't you think that he would be hit a lot less? The point I was trying to make is that, if Cap didn't have his shield to block half the attacks that come his way, then we would see just how often he gets hit."

I agree with you. If you read my earlier posts. I rate Batman ahead of Captain America.

Batman skills, take him just as far as Cap in fights, but Batman does not have the advantage of the shield or the perfect human physiology. Wolverine's skeleton, healing factor (especially now), and claws give him more in his fights than the other two men. "

Yes but, Wolverine doesn't have anything to "block" attacks like Cap does, so the fact that Wolverine gets hit more often is pretty silly, since Cap is just using his shield to block most attacks, not his H2H skill. Wolverine "still" gets his hits in despite the shield, I'd say that is skill.


Post Edited:2008-02-20 17:39:14

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Eraser says:

"POHOCOM, you can't just say because Cap uses his shield to block attacks that it denounces his fighting ability. Your logic is a little off. Not anyone can use that shield. If you have been reading the later issues of Captain America you will read that Tony Starks had highly skilled SHIELD agents die trying to use Caps shield in combat because they didn't have the skill to use it.Just like Gambler says, Wolverine adapts his style to the situation. Why the hell would Wolverine have to be defensively agile in hand to hand fight with Batman when he takes punches from Hulk and Juggernaut and is able to hold his own to an extent. Wolverine is not a patient analytical fighter 100% of the time, he doesn't have to be. But when he fights opponents like Spiderman, Cap, DD, Electra, Hydra, even Punisher - He matches them in raw fighting ability. He is the type of fighting that can be a bar room brawler, or show the execution of the keenest martial arts ability.In the end, its a toss up with Cap and James, with Bats comin in third."

Yeah I did mention that. What I was saying is that "if" Wolverine were skilled enough to use a shield such as Cap's correctly, don't you think that he would be hit a lot less? The point I was trying to make is that, if Cap didn't have his shield to block half the attacks that come his way, then we would see just how often he gets hit.

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#8  Edited By wolfdaman

Gambler says:

"Are you ever going to respond to my questions? I've made several posts in response to the points you've made and yet you choose to ignore them. The truth is Wolverine **doesn't** get hit anymore then anyone else. Its when he does get hit, he has the ability to shake it off.Your entire case is based on a fight with Iron Fists, which is laughable. You've ignored several questions and posts that I've written out and I guess I don't blame you. You've provided no evidence to support anything you've said. Like the, "Gambit beat Wolverine" statement which is totally fabricated.I've asked you what evidence you needed and you ignored me. You wanna talk about common sense? Its common sense that a character who knows,BoxingHe's recieved h2h training from the CIACISSpecial OpsBlack OpsSpecial ForcesGreen BeretsArmySamurai SwordsmanshipKrav MagraHe is listed as a level 7 which says that he should know all forms of h2h combat..Not to mention the fact he was taught the 13 Deadly Styles of Swordplay by Orgun.is among the top fighters in the Marvel U. But lets face it, nothing I, or anyone else says is going to even make a dent. Thats what common sense tells me.
Post Edited:2008-02-20 16:41:21"

Well said.

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Post Edited:2008-02-20 14:49:05"

Looks like Cap was getting his shield into position, as he said, before the battle was interrupted. What's the point? It certainly looked like Cap was the far more skilled fighter. I have repeatedly said, over & over, that with his healing factor & skeleton Wolvie is a match for anyone. We were talking about skill though. In that fight with Cap which had not ended, Wolvie showed little skill. Which was the point I was making. "

"Little skill" are we looking at the same scans or what? he looks to be equally as skilled, if not more skilled being as he is winning the fights.

"

Obviously we are not. In the first, Wolvie repeatedly got flipped and punched. He only managed to head butt Cap. I call it winning when you are clearly about to countered & flipped again which is what Cap was planning to do. In the second scan, you neglect to mention that the fight ended when Cap got up and Wolverine was forced to surrender to Cap who got Wolvie's sword. Again, Wolverine has a HEALING FACTOR & STEEL SKELETON. I

have said that Wolverine is a good fighter. Being able to counter a fighter doesn't make you his equal at all. Batman has been hit by the Joker, Daredevil has been hit by the Punisher, Cap has been hit by Wolvie. Both scans prove that were it not for his superhuman durability, Wolvie would have probably have been killed. The same thing as his fight with Iron Fist. Only his durability kept him "in the fight". I don't see why it's hard to understand, Wolverine is an excellent fighter, but not in the class of some of Marvel's elite."

And if it were not for Cap's shield, he would have been hit a numerous amount of times. It's kind of nice when you have a 3 1/2 to 4 foot shield blocking you, the fact that he doesn't get hit when things hit his shield, doesn't prove fighting ability. I think if Wolvie had a shield blocking him, he would just possibly take fewer hits. Hmmmm???
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