WillPayton

That's the true power of religion... the ability to make large numbers of people believe in things that are stupid and contrary to facts and logic, and often contrary to their own best interests.

And jumping requires much more pressure than running.

That doesnt make sense. If the ground cant support him while running, then it certainly wont support him trying to jump. The way jumping works is by applying a lot of force in a short amount of time to the ground. This means there's a limit to how fast he can jump off the ground before he's actually just compacting the ground beneath him.

He could fly at ridiculous speeds, but that's flight speed and not combat/reaction speed.

Flash wins.

Is this thread still going on???

I dismiss it because it's irrelevant.

I didnt bring up Hal's intelligence, YOU did. You're the one who said that Hal was "dumb as a doorknob". And you claim you're not biased, but call Hal dumb as a doorknob... and then criticize me when I reply to it.

No, Hal is not dumb. He didnt become one of the greatest Lanterns ever by being dumb.

Here is Ganthet saying that Hal was the best Lantern:

As far as winning or losing... anyone at around the same power level can win or lose a fight. That doesnt necessarily prove anything. Everyone in comics at some point wins against those who are more powerful, or jobs to someone who they shouldnt lose to.

Facts are: The ring originally chose Hal and Guy... not John. Ganthet said Hal was the best Lantern, not John.

Did you actually read what I wrote? I didnt say that thinking too much or creativity was a hindrance, I even noted that creativity or architectural knowledge could be beneficial. I said that the danger is that they overthink their constructs because they continue to try to do what they used to do instead of adapting to the new power. Making a mechanical device requires a set of skills, which are not necessarily the same as making a good Lantern construct. If John is spending much of his time in a battle figuring out where rivets go, or Kyle is thinking about aesthetics (or even erasing parts he doesnt like... look at the scans), then they are wasting valuable time. Hal is using his brain, but is also focusing on being efficient and getting the job done. He may not make constructs that are as beautiful as Kyle's, or as intricate as John's, but he gets it done as quickly as possible... which is why he's a great Lantern. Remember that the job of a Lantern is to be a space cop, to save lives, and fight evil. How many people might die if you take your time making a fancy construct instead of taking out the bad guy?

I could try to find scans, but it's been that way for a long time. Actually, originally during the SA/BA it was said that Hal had no fear, and that he had unlimited willpower. This fit in with the abilities of the ring at the time, when Hal could literally do whatever he wanted as long as he wanted it badly enough. This eventually changed, and they changed him from not having fear, to overcoming fear.

Yes they all do.. Hal, Guy, John, as well as Clark Kent... since it's supposed to be that the ring first found Clark as having the greatest willpower, but turned him down because he wasnt human. Next up was Hal. But, just because they all have the will power to wield the ring doesnt mean they all have the same level of will power.

Flash would just blitz him and speed-steal him into a statue. PC Superman could pull stupid powers out of his ass, but he was also very inconsistent. Yes, he could fly as fast as he wanted, but I dont remember him having that much combat speed or reaction times... at least not enough to match Flash.

Your biased "logic" unfortunately is underselling Hal and making him sound like a reckless idiot who cant think of anything better than a boxing glove to hit bad guys with. That's all, simply, untrue. Just because John is an architect, that in no way implies that he's smarter than Hal. In fact, being a test pilot requires a lot of intelligence. Do you have any idea what test pilots even do? Here's a hint, it's not about flying around doing whatever you want and having fun.

As far as creativity, Hal also has plenty of that. It's true that in the past artists made him create a lot of boxing gloves and shit like that, but that's more a reflection of the lack of creativity of the comic book artists of the time and not of the character. You can see plenty of examples today of Hal creating complex and creative constructs. Maybe your bias is only allowing you to see what you want to see.

Let me point out one other thing about this notion that being an architect or an engineer or artist automatically makes GLs able to create better constructs... here's a couple of scans to contemplate:

Right here we not only get a good idea of why Hal is such a good Lantern, but also why being an architect or artist isnt necessarily so great. Sure, those things can definitely help, but they can also have their drawbacks. Look at the constructs from John... they are very much built like solid objects made in the real world with real world materials that he's familiar with. You can practically see every rivet and screw. Unfortunately, real world objects are constructed like that because of the limitations of the materials and construction methods. You dont have such limitations when you have an AI making your constructs out of energy that's as strong and durable as you want it to be. Adding all this complexity only adds weaknesses and flaws into the constructs that dont need to be there. Also, all the complexity takes longer to think of... unless you're going to tell me that John thinks hundreds or thousands of times faster than Hal? And the same thing for Kyle. Both of these guys are actually wasting time making things overly complex and artistic when they really dont need to. Hal, by his own words, goes for efficiency. He see what he needs to do, and puts all his effort into getting it done as quickly and effectively as possible. I'll take him in a ring construct fight any day. He'll win before the others are done making their beautiful and elaborate... well, whatever they were about to make before they lost the fight.

Lastly, Hal has the best willpower and ability to overcome fear. You can debate whether this is true, but this is what DC has basically portrayed since the silver age. And when you have powers that are based on willpower, then having the best willpower is the key advantage... even over intelligence, creativity, efficiency, or whatever.

I do agree however that Lanterns like Sodam or Mogo start off with a big advantage. If they're not rated higher you can only blame the writers for creating characters that should be more powerful, but not committing to actually making them that way.