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#1 Posted by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: First of all, who gave Batman access to the phantom zone? Second off all, Batman doesn't kill...like ever.

Even if we take this to be true, Batman can win without killing as I already pointed out.

@floopay said:

With years of prep, devices, and near full knowledge; Reed Richards, Tony Stark, SHIELD, and all of Marvel's greatest minds couldn't find a way to keep the Hulk down spur of the moment.

Bruce Wayne doesn't have 40+ years of different technologies that already exist, and have been specifically developed against the Hulk. He also doesn't have nearly a lifetime's worth of paper, video, and electronic documentation on the Hulk's weaknesses, capabilties, achievements, and etc.

We have Bruce Wayne, starting from absolute scratch, trying to figure out a way to defeat somebody who has come back against almost every device he's been put up against.

Not to mention, most of the devices that HAVE worked, haven't worked against modern incarnations of the Hulk.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Actually they already did BFR Hulk when they decided to. The fact that he came back is not relevant to this fight.

The main reason why the Hulk is still around is because he's a popular character and it's comics. No one stays dead, no one stays BFR'ed, and popular characters often have tons of PIS protecting them.

And, Batman does have all those things you said he doesnt. He has access to some of the best tech from Earth, Krypton, Apocalypse, and many other planets, time periods, and even alternate dimensions. All he even needs here is the Phantom Zone Projector, but there are many other options. For example he could create a gamma energy absorber, and do to Hulk what the Surfer did. And before you say that he cant... yes, he can. People like Batman in comics can make pretty much whatever the plot requires them to be able to make, given enough time... and 1 year is plenty of time given his resources and knowledge.

#2 Posted by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: That would kill Hulk, most likely Batman doesn't kill.

He could send him to the Phantom Zone, or simply into outer space since Hulk can survive in space. Or, an empty planet like what they tried to do in Planet Hulk storyline.

But, if Batman did think that Hulk would be a threat to Earth, he'd kill him.

#3 Posted by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@willpayton said:

@lvenger said:

Yeah Juggernaut is less likely to be hurt than Citizen Steel and is quite frankly stronger than he is too. Citizen Steel's metal coating has its limits and metal can bend in time. Besides, even without the metal coating, that just makes him a sitting duck for Cain to pulverise.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Citizen Steel is actually stronger without the suit, and he was able to take down an elder god with 2 hits... a god who was holding off he entire JSA.

Ah apologies, let me clarify since I got my numbers mixed up after I rechecked the feat. With the suit on, Citizen Steel is slow as a waddling duck. When he took it off to fight Gog, he was much faster but it's not as if he would take it off immediately to fight Juggernaut. Besides, all Steel did was topple Gog, it's not as if that added up to being the crucial blow that beat him. Just because he punched Gog down doesn't mean he'll walk over Juggernaut. Especially since Juggernaut's forcefield has tanked blows from Savage and World War Hulk plus Thor, both of which have destroyed planets. His momentum has pushed almost every foe he's faced backwards and he's strong enough to be in the elite brick class of physicals. CS doesn't really have many advantages here.

I just want to point out that CS is also at the top of the physical strength/durability level in DC. He was shown to take a hit from herald Gog (not to be confused with elder god Gog) without even budging, and then knocked him into the air... something that Kingdom Come Superman and Alan Scott werent able to do. KC Superman, for comparison, is stronger than regular Superman and had a similar feat with Hercules.

By those fights we can infer that as far as strength:

Citizen Steel > KC Superman > Superman

#4 Posted by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman teleports Hulk into the Sun, or a black hole if that doesnt work.

Batman with 1 year prep will win.

#5 Posted by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

Yeah Juggernaut is less likely to be hurt than Citizen Steel and is quite frankly stronger than he is too. Citizen Steel's metal coating has its limits and metal can bend in time. Besides, even without the metal coating, that just makes him a sitting duck for Cain to pulverise.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Citizen Steel is actually stronger without the suit, and he was able to take down an elder god with 2 hits... a god who was holding off he entire JSA.

#6 Edited by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

@homicidalmaniac said:

I seen people say CS is below Thor or vice versa

Does CS have telepathy by any chance?

Uhmm, no. He just hits really hard and is incredibly difficult to hurt or even budge. He's one of the strongest heroes in the DC universe.

#7 Edited by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

#8 Edited by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

Random encounter, win by KO or death.

Who wins?

#9 Edited by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Adam

#10 Posted by WillPayton (9191 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator is fast enough to fight people with superspeed over a 15 year universe wide time freeze/ strong enough to 3 shot planets / durable enough to only suffer mild concussions from holding back solar sytem busting explosions

Kallark stomps any which way given Arthur doesn't come close to having his reflexes

How good is his TP defense?