Is Ymir in this encounter? If so how do they go about beating him?

" Is Ymir in this encounter? If so how do they go about beating him? "

But Ymir has yet to be beaten in a stand up fight.The only way Odin or Thor could do it was by BFR..So unless BFR is allowed cant see The frost Giants getting beaten..

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" Is Ymir in this encounter? If so how do they go about beating him? "

Zeus managed to throw down with a hungry galactus. "

" @White Angel Of Death: Point is Olympians got this. "

" If the greek Gods can defeat the Titans then they will have no problem with Ice giants. "

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                    If the greek Gods can defeat the Titans then they will have no problem with Ice giants.

                   

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but if the asgardians have trouble with them then surely that means their not so easily defeated and it was mostly zeus poseidon and hades that won the fight against the titans and hades and poseidon arent in this fight

                   

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                    If the greek Gods can defeat the Titans then they will have no problem with Ice giants.

                   

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but if the asgardians have trouble with them then surely that means their not so easily defeated and it was mostly zeus poseidon and hades that won the fight against the titans and hades and poseidon arent in this fight

                   

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Yes but the Titans were gods themselves. There is only one giant of godlike or titan-like power. Ymir. The rest of the ice giants are pretty much cyclops level. I knew you had set up the parameters for the ice giants to win by keeping Poseidon and Hades out of the battle but the ice giants are nowhere near the Titans power except for Ymir, who Zeus can defeat while the others of the pantheon lay waste to the ice giant horde. "

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                    @weaponmaster said:

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                    If the greek Gods can defeat the Titans then they will have no problem with Ice giants.

                   

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but if the asgardians have trouble with them then surely that means their not so easily defeated and it was mostly zeus poseidon and hades that won the fight against the titans and hades and poseidon arent in this fight

                   

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Yes but the Titans were gods themselves. There is only one giant of godlike or titan-like power. Ymir. The rest of the ice giants are pretty much cyclops level. I knew you had set up the parameters for the ice giants to win by keeping Poseidon and Hades out of the battle but the ice giants are nowhere near the Titans power except for Ymir, who Zeus can defeat while the others of the pantheon lay waste to the ice giant horde.

                   

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but how can zeus defeat someone that even odin himself cant defeat? I hadnt set it up for the ice giants to win, i thought that by having poseidon and hades in it is a stomp for the olympians. so i evened it out a bit. 

                   

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                    @weaponmaster said:

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                    @weaponmaster said:

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                    If the greek Gods can defeat the Titans then they will have no problem with Ice giants.

                   

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but if the asgardians have trouble with them then surely that means their not so easily defeated and it was mostly zeus poseidon and hades that won the fight against the titans and hades and poseidon arent in this fight

                   

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Yes but the Titans were gods themselves. There is only one giant of godlike or titan-like power. Ymir. The rest of the ice giants are pretty much cyclops level. I knew you had set up the parameters for the ice giants to win by keeping Poseidon and Hades out of the battle but the ice giants are nowhere near the Titans power except for Ymir, who Zeus can defeat while the others of the pantheon lay waste to the ice giant horde.

                   

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but how can zeus defeat someone that even odin himself cant defeat? I hadnt set it up for the ice giants to win, i thought that by having poseidon and hades in it is a stomp for the olympians. so i evened it out a bit. 

                   

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Zeus has a different powerset than Odin and is truly immortal. He could also simply call Athena and Hecate to his side and the rest of the pantheon would still mop the floor with the ice giants, or they could aid Zeus after dispatching the giants and attack Ymir en masse. All scenarios end with the ice giants being defeated. Ok. I understand about omitting Haqdes and Poseidon to avoid an unbalanced fight. "

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                    @White Angel Of Death said:

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                    @White Angel Of Death said:

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                    @weaponmaster said:

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                    If the greek Gods can defeat the Titans then they will have no problem with Ice giants.

                   

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but if the asgardians have trouble with them then surely that means their not so easily defeated and it was mostly zeus poseidon and hades that won the fight against the titans and hades and poseidon arent in this fight

                   

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Yes but the Titans were gods themselves. There is only one giant of godlike or titan-like power. Ymir. The rest of the ice giants are pretty much cyclops level. I knew you had set up the parameters for the ice giants to win by keeping Poseidon and Hades out of the battle but the ice giants are nowhere near the Titans power except for Ymir, who Zeus can defeat while the others of the pantheon lay waste to the ice giant horde.

                   

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but how can zeus defeat someone that even odin himself cant defeat? I hadnt set it up for the ice giants to win, i thought that by having poseidon and hades in it is a stomp for the olympians. so i evened it out a bit. 

                   

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Zeus has a different powerset than Odin and is truly immortal. He could also simply call Athena and Hecate to his side and the rest of the pantheon would still mop the floor with the ice giants, or they could aid Zeus after dispatching the giants and attack Ymir en masse. All scenarios end with the ice giants being defeated. Ok. I understand about omitting Haqdes and Poseidon to avoid an unbalanced fight.

                   

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But zeus's power levels are roughly the same as odin's and zeus. Zeus's immortality just means that he cant die by conventional means but can still die like Mikaboshi did and Typhon. Ymir is one of the oldest norse creatures. Even Bor had trouble with the frost giants. No one has actually defeated Ymir just imprisoned or banished and that didnt stick for long.  

                   

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Zeus' power levels are roughly the same but his powerset is quite different. He attacks with powerful lightning and his hand to hand attacks actually drain his opponents. Zeus's immortality means he wont die as easily as Odin. Of course he can die, but he can't die by conventional methods and heals nearly instantaneously.  I am well versed in Norse and greek mythology. Bor is but one God. The Ice giants themselves will be no trouble for the Greek pantheon and they can all defeat Ymir Collectively. Thor held off and battled the frost giants alone for 9 months. If the entire frost giant army can't defeat one god after 9 months they have no chance against nearly the entire greek pantheon.

The Greeks main advantage in this encounter will be the prep time, but they will have to come up with something not even the best in Asgard have done & thats defeating Ymir..Prep time for the Giants/Ymir doesnt count for much imo as they arnt the best thinkers in the Marvel world :-) Wot they do well though is cause fear/panic & confusion...
The Gods will have to use there best magic to try & contain Ymir in some sort of Magic force field & then unleashing the fires of hell on him.
Can it be done long enough to destroy Ymir?
I dought it...No BFR imo =  no win for the Greek Gods..
It most probably will end in a Draw..

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                    @weaponmaster said:

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                    @weaponmaster said:

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                    If the greek Gods can defeat the Titans then they will have no problem with Ice giants.

                   

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but if the asgardians have trouble with them then surely that means their not so easily defeated and it was mostly zeus poseidon and hades that won the fight against the titans and hades and poseidon arent in this fight

                   

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Yes but the Titans were gods themselves. There is only one giant of godlike or titan-like power. Ymir. The rest of the ice giants are pretty much cyclops level. I knew you had set up the parameters for the ice giants to win by keeping Poseidon and Hades out of the battle but the ice giants are nowhere near the Titans power except for Ymir, who Zeus can defeat while the others of the pantheon lay waste to the ice giant horde.

                   

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but how can zeus defeat someone that even odin himself cant defeat? I hadnt set it up for the ice giants to win, i thought that by having poseidon and hades in it is a stomp for the olympians. so i evened it out a bit. 

                   

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Zeus has a different powerset than Odin and is truly immortal. He could also simply call Athena and Hecate to his side and the rest of the pantheon would still mop the floor with the ice giants, or they could aid Zeus after dispatching the giants and attack Ymir en masse. All scenarios end with the ice giants being defeated. Ok. I understand about omitting Haqdes and Poseidon to avoid an unbalanced fight.

                   

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But zeus's power levels are roughly the same as odin's and zeus. Zeus's immortality just means that he cant die by conventional means but can still die like Mikaboshi did and Typhon. Ymir is one of the oldest norse creatures. Even Bor had trouble with the frost giants. No one has actually defeated Ymir just imprisoned or banished and that didnt stick for long.  

                   

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Zeus' power levels are roughly the same but his powerset is quite different. He attacks with powerful lightning and his hand to hand attacks actually drain his opponents. Zeus's immortality means he wont die as easily as Odin. Of course he can die, but he can't die by conventional methods and heals nearly instantaneously.  I am well versed in Norse and greek mythology. Bor is but one God. The Ice giants themselves will be no trouble for the Greek pantheon and they can all defeat Ymir Collectively. Thor held off and battled the frost giants alone for 9 months. If the entire frost giant army can't defeat one god after 9 months they have no chance against nearly the entire greek pantheon.

 

 

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" The Greeks main advantage in this encounter will be the prep time, but they will have to come up with something not even the best in Asgard have done & thats defeating Ymir..Prep time for the Giants/Ymir doesnt count for much imo as they arnt the best thinkers in the Marvel world :-) Wot they do well though is cause fear/panic & confusion...The Gods will have to use there best magic to try & contain Ymir in some sort of Magic force field & then unleashing the fires of hell on him.Can it be done long enough to destroy Ymir?I dought it...No BFR imo =  no win for the Greek Gods..It most probably will end in a Draw.. "

" Can't the olypiams just banish Ymir to Tarturus? The god of Death Thatonos should be able to. "

" The Olympian Gods kick these giants' asses just like they kicked their own giants' asses and for the same reason; They have Hercules on their side! "

@Holyserpent If Herc & Ymir got it on one on one it would be a battle to last an age.in time the Mighty Herc would grow tired.Then it would be down to Ymir to decide how to finish him off..

The Olympians have this for a number of reasons

 - Prep Time: The Olympians have a month of prep time and Athena and Ares to plan it.  Ares planned the siege of Asgard and pretty much had it down with a bunch of B-list villains and Sentry, not to mention the latest defeat of Ultron.  Athena essentially orchestrated the ascention of Mikaboshi to the chaos king.  You tell them they have one month to plan the demise of a bunch of giant snowmen, of which only one of them has any power they really need to concern themselves with and they will be standing there waiting to the punchline to the joke.  No amount of preptime for the giants is going to allow them anything close to victory.  They have been granted countless milenia of pre time to take down Asgard.  We see how well they have used that time.

- Power: The frost giants themselves are not going to be an issue.  They melt.  Loki melted a bunch of them with a fireball way back when Thor got his first set of armor (can't remember the issue, but its the one where Thor was still under the effects of Hela's curse).  Apollo would be a major part of any plan, not to mention Hephaestus, who can control fire and create weapons to spread it.  If you are going to include the entire Olympian race any number of Gods and allied titans can be included in here as well. 

- Combatants:  Ares and Hercules alone are going to run through the rank and file frost giant with ease.  Throw in Athena for good measure (she does not match the other two in combat skills no matter what is said, but is still more formidable than a Frost Giant) and then the others like Achilles and all the other demigods...and this is just fighting.  Couple this with those listed above and I'm sorry, the frost giants are done.

The real question here is whether the Olympians can take down Ymir.  The answer is yes.  Zeus can stalemate him if he needs to and hold him off long enough for Ymir to realize all his giants are about to die and retreat to avoid genocide or the giants themselves run off and the Olympians turn their attention to Ymir.  All the Olympians are going to take down Ymir.  Maybe not without casualties, but it will happen.

It has been cited on here that the Asgardians have never gotten rid of the Frost Giants.  This is true, but they have always defeated them and forced truce after truce after truce.  The Frost Giants have never defeated the Asgardians.  They will not defeat the Olympians.

boooooo you bore!

@Enyalios Ymir will not run away from battle imo even if he is the last Giant standing..The rules state NO BFR..
So unless they can do wot Odin has not this battle at best ends in a draw :-)

Hmm...ok so lets see how Ymir has faired against the gods he has encountered in the past:

Ymir vs. Odin, Vili, and Ve: Killed Ymir at the conclusion of their encounter.  Note this was obviously pre-Odinforce, since his brothers were still alive, and the three were very young.

Ymir and the Ice Giants (stronger than Frost Giants) vs. Odin and the Asgardians: Odin opens up a chasm, sends the Ice Giants to Muspelheim, then traps Ymir under a volcano.

Ymir and Surtur vs Odin Power Thor: Thor banishes both of them to the Sea of Night

Ymir and Frost Giants and Storm Giants invade Asgard (this is Marvel Superheroes issue, so the whether it is cannon is in question, but for the sake of completeness): Thor and Vidar defeat Ymir and said Giants and prevent the invasion.
X-Men First Class encounters Ymir:  Thor appears and banishes him. 

At which point here are the Olympians supposed to have much difficulty here? 

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Hmm...ok so lets see how Ymir has faired against the gods he has encountered in the past:

Ymir vs. Odin, Vili, and Ve: Killed Ymir at the conclusion of their encounter.  Note this was obviously pre-Odinforce, since his brothers were still alive, and the three were very young.

Ymir and the Ice Giants (stronger than Frost Giants) vs. Odin and the Asgardians: Odin opens up a chasm, sends the Ice Giants to Muspelheim, then traps Ymir under a volcano.

Ymir and Surtur vs Odin Power Thor: Thor banishes both of them to the Sea of Night

Ymir and Frost Giants and Storm Giants invade Asgard (this is Marvel Superheroes issue, so the whether it is cannon is in question, but for the sake of completeness): Thor and Vidar defeat Ymir and said Giants and prevent the invasion.
X-Men First Class encounters Ymir:  Thor appears and banishes him. 

At which point here are the Olympians supposed to have much difficulty here? 

 

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@White Angel Of Death:

Yes...and he was killed by three young gods without the benefit of the Odinforce since the Odinforce came into being when he absorbed the powers of his brothers shortly after Ymir's death.  Him fighting Zeus and the whole Olympian race is going to yield similar results, even with the Frost Giants running around being annoying.

And if we are going to throw in the fact that Ymir returned after his death and then going to limit this to death, then no one wins because the even the gods that die will ultimately come back.  Not to mention that the only reason Ymir came back, if I remember correctly, was an outside magic ritual.

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" @Chaos Prime said:

" Is Ymir in this encounter? If so how do they go about beating him? "

Zeus managed to throw down with a hungry galactus. "

That was chaos king in zeus's body. No way he could do that himself and yes Ymir is in this fight "

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@White Angel Of Death:

Yes...and he was killed by three young gods without the benefit of the Odinforce since the Odinforce came into being when he absorbed the powers of his brothers shortly after Ymir's death.  Him fighting Zeus and the whole Olympian race is going to yield similar results, even with the Frost Giants running around being annoying.

 

And if we are going to throw in the fact that Ymir returned after his death and then going to limit this to death, then no one wins because the even the gods that die will ultimately come back.  Not to mention that the only reason Ymir came back, if I remember correctly, was an outside magic ritual.

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Not forgetting Utgard-Loki at all, just don't see his pressence being all that significant considering who he is facing and the rules laid out. 

As for the Olympians coming back, every Olympian God for as long as Marvel has been putting out stats has always had this little disclaimer in their powers section:

"Like all Olympians, ___ is immortal, possessing a life essence that cannot be ended by any conventional means. He can be wounded in battle, but his godly life force gives him incredible recuperative abilities. He can fully recover from penetration wounds (such as by knife, sword, or bullet) in anywhere from minutes to hours, depending on their severity. Only an injury of such magnitude that it incinerates him or disperses a major portion of his bodily molecules could cause him physical death. Even then, his life essence may still be unharmed, and Zeus may be able to resurrect him."

Ares recently addressed this while talking to his son about death, saying how he has been killed many times and, after a stay in Elysium, he he is always reborn.  So no death here except for those taken by the Frost Giants (excluding Ymir) is going to last.  Not to mention the fact that no Frost Giant except possibly Ymir has the ability to inflict any type of wound that would " incinerate or disperse a major portion of bodily molecules".  Sorry bud, the Frost Giants don't have a chance in hell.

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Not forgetting Utgard-Loki at all, just don't see his pressence being all that significant considering who he is facing and the rules laid out. 

As for the Olympians coming back, every Olympian God for as long as Marvel has been putting out stats has always had this little disclaimer in their powers section:

"Like all Olympians, ___ is immortal, possessing a life essence that cannot be ended by any conventional means. He can be wounded in battle, but his godly life force gives him incredible recuperative abilities. He can fully recover from penetration wounds (such as by knife, sword, or bullet) in anywhere from minutes to hours, depending on their severity. Only an injury of such magnitude that it incinerates him or disperses a major portion of his bodily molecules could cause him physical death. Even then, his life essence may still be unharmed, and Zeus may be able to resurrect him."

Ares recently addressed this while talking to his son about death, saying how he has been killed many times and, after a stay in Elysium, he he is always reborn.  So no death here except for those taken by the Frost Giants (excluding Ymir) is going to last.  Not to mention the fact that no Frost Giant except possibly Ymir has the ability to inflict any type of wound that would " incinerate or disperse a major portion of bodily molecules".  Sorry bud, the Frost Giants don't have a chance in hell.

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Without wanting to repeat myself Ymir has never been killed..Odin & his brothers thought they had killed him but alas they had not..
Just would also like to add not even Classic Doc Strange could kill Ymir he had to use some powerfull Amulet to BFR the Frost Giant..

" Without wanting to repeat myself Ymir has never been killed..Odin & his brothers thought they had killed him but alas they had not..
Just would also like to add not even Classic Doc Strange could kill Ymir he had to use some powerfull Amulet to BFR the Frost Giant.. "

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                    Without wanting to repeat myself Ymir has never been killed..Odin & his brothers thought they had killed him but alas they had not..
Just would also like to add not even Classic Doc Strange could kill Ymir he had to use some powerfull Amulet to BFR the Frost Giant..

                   

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@Susanoo then why did he need an Amulet to BFR Ymir? just telling it how it is...

"The Olympian Gods kick these giants' asses just like they kicked their own giants' asses and for the same reason; They have Hercules on their side! "

" Olympian Gods win. "

@White Angel Of Death: 

Yes, and Zeus can manipulate magical and cosmic energies for almost any effect he desires, has the power of teleportation (in cluding to and from other dimensions), he can manipulate dimensions, space and time, manipulate and control energy, radiation, matter, weather, animals, all of the elements to include fire and ice (and obviously electricity), can alter his own form as well as that of others.  Again let me know how Utgard-Loki makes any difference in a fight that includes Zeus.      

" zues, posiden, and hedes killed all the titans which are way more powerful. the giants get shit on by the olympians "

You know what White angel of death, you're just a douche. A total douche. Why cant you have fun with these forums, instead of arguing blindly with whoever doesnt share youre point of view? Why dont you shove a certain orange vegetable up your rectal cavity and expire.

" You know what White angel of death, you're just a douche. A total douche. Why cant you have fun with these forums, instead of arguing blindly with whoever doesnt share youre point of view? Why dont you shove a certain orange vegetable up your rectal cavity and expire. "

The olympians would wipe the floor with the frost giants and if you disagree then you're stupid. You are arguing, not debating. Ive seen you in many battle forums and you just act like a little kid, throwing toys out the pram. Grow up.

Presuming Frost Giants are going to be going up mount Olympus... + most of the gods can fly, + one of them (4got name) has the power to create fire/lava, i think it's pretty obvious... even without Zeus Ymir is the only problem, and i'm pretty sure Hercules can handle him. 

" The olympians would wipe the floor with the frost giants and if you disagree then you're stupid. You are arguing, not debating. Ive seen you in many battle forums and you just act like a little kid, throwing toys out the pram. Grow up. "

Dont tell me what to do, doesnt matter how long ive been on here, I cant still read forums cant I? Or are you such an arrogant twat that you will deny me that? You need to take a good look at yourself, some of the people you've argued with are friends of mine who've said a lot of people are getting pissed off with your immature behavior. Take a minute to think about that.