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@masterwitcher88: well the topic of this thread is the "power" gap between superman and wonder woman. My point is any perceived power gap between the 2 characters is pretty meaningless because superman and wonder woman use "power" very differetly

@masterwitcher88:

She is a warrior born true, but you act like warriors don't show off or train in those areas like strength or speed. Any fighter will tell you that you need to be relatively as strong as your opponent to stand a chance at winning,

whether they do that in there free time is up to them. However are you telling me the faster runner or the one who can bench press the most has any bearing on the outcome of a fight when both opponents are equally trained at fighting?

skill helps ALOT but its not everything.

ok so out of 100% how much should skill count? because as far as I know to develop a skill it requires doing that skill over and over again until you master it. LETS TAKE HAND TO HAND COMBAT FOR EXAMPLE. To get good at hand to hand combat you need to keep doing hand to hand combat. and of course in so doing you will develop a body that specializes in hand to hand combat. any other activity simply conditions the body to do even more hand to hand combat. Essentially you don't need to do anything else but practice the skill to get better at it. All other activities running benching and other training simply conditions the body to do more h2h combat since we dealing with superheros here they really dont need any more body conditioning like normal humans.

There was a contest and everything to determine who is the most CAPABLE Amazon to return Steve home, Strength and Speed would be part of that contest.

Yeah that's all well and good. The contest was to find the most capable amazon to return steve home which literally involves ZERO fighting skills since your job is just to return the guy home. Had the contest been to find the most CAPABLE amazon to defeat ARES or something i can guarantee you that nobody would care how fast or how strong an amazon is. They would focus entirely on the best Amazon warrior.

Showcasing how strong, how tough, and how fast you are is something all characters do EVEN THE WARRIORS.

kids do that adults do that even other primates do a form of that. but in the end what does it actually mean? skill and strategy is the determining factor. any warrior would put skill over strength and running speed unless of course one is overwhelming stronger than the other which is not the case for any of my examples and WONDER WOMAN VS SUPERMAN.

off the top of my head these are strong guys that value strength over skill

• david and Goliath
• achilles vs boagrius
• bruce lee vs robert wall (boards dont hit back)
• hippolyta vs hercules (DC COMICS CANON)

even real world NAVY SEALS dont care how much someone can bench or how fast someone can run when the knives come out.

I don’t understand this obsession with ‘raw strength’ with regards to Wonder Woman. The most sensible answer is she is strong enough to accel at what she does. Any discussion about her strength relative to supermanS maybe fun to discuss but its ultimately meaningless. And misses the point of wonder woman.

First and foremost she is a warrior.

• · Wonder woman probably can’t fly into space and smash a giant meteor
• · Wonder woman probably can’t fly to other planets like superman
• · Wonder woman can’t lift 10quitillion pounds or whatever superman can lift

But as a warrior why does she even need to do those things

FOR EXAMPLE

There is NO combat sport that uses STRENGTH as a predictor for a fight outcome. MMA fighers don’t show off bench press skills to demonstrate how good they fight.

There is NO combat sport that uses SPRINTING SPEED as a predictor for a fight outcome.

There is NO combat sport that uses JUMPING height as a predictor for a fight outcome

As far as I know the only thing that’s used is WEIGHT and even that is divided into classes. SO the heavier person does not always win.

THE primary method used to determine fight outcomes is SKILL training and technique.

SO for most Wonder Woman fans we just don’t understand the point of these comparisons

It kind of like asking who has more raw power strength out of the following characters.

• · BATMAN
• · BLACK PANTHER
• · DAREDEVIL
• · NIGHTWING

It’s pretty meanless right…… they have other defining attributes

WONDER WOMAN is strong AND fast enough to take on beings with superman abilities PERIOD. however she is not the same TYPE for superhero superman and hulk are. WONDER WOMAN is a very unique superhero and as far as I know there is not anothersuperhero in DC or MARVEL that have the same combination of skill and strength wonder woman has

SUPERMAN IS STRONG AND DURABLE TYPE SUPERHERO

WONDER WOMAN IS ‘STRONG ENOUGH’ AND A WARRIOR SUPERHERO

I am really glad the DCEU has recognized this distinction.

I pick Wonder Woman to win.

This is a General Rule of thumb that also works in the real world. All things being equal, if both opponents are similar in strength (meaning each one can cause damage to the other). It’s always the more skilled opponent that will win.

World War Hulk is massively strong and durable but not much else. I cannot see any possible way Hulk could even lay a hand on Wonder Woman Much less land any incapacitating or disabling blow and forget about BFR since she can fly. In all honesty, Wonder Woman would not even need super speed to avoid WWhulks attacks. She can do it with pure fighting skill.

Even superman had trouble landing punches on Wonder Woman during their fight in Wonder Woman #219(Wonder Woman dodged all superman’s attacks after the initial punch and landed all her counters)

Wonder Woman was born for these types of battles it’s one of her most important claims to fame as a warrior and AMAZON who routinely and purposefully train to defeat opponets who are considered stronger than themselves. Wonder Woman has done just that plenty of times.

In essence

The day Wonder Woman or any WARRIOR class superheroes loses to LESS SKILLED being because they simply had a raw power advantage (strength) is the day she/they ceases to be Wonder Woman/warrior. Wonder Woman does not lose battles like this ever.

From Achilles to Bruce Lee speed and skill always trumps raw power.

How Woman Wonder Wins?

Off the top of my head, since Wonder Woman’s sword is capable of cutting beings like Superman, Wonder Woman’s sword can easily cut off WWHulks limbs completely incapacitating him without actually killing him due to hulks regenerative abilities. She can rinse and repeat as needed. She stays in character and her conscience is clean since she did not have to kill him. This is a way Wonder Woman can easily use one of WWHulks greatest strengths.... regeneration. against him.

ALSO

Wonder Woman cans easily BRB WWHulk with her flight capabilities or her lasso.

Hulks raw power advantage may not even be an issue since Wonder Woman could simply remove her Bracelets and gain access to all her natural power which by all accounts is much higher than superman’s base strength level. But like I said above she does not need it to beat WWHulk

How can WWHulk Win?

WWhulk would need to outsmart and out fight Wonder Woman in-order to get in a position to BFR, Incapacitate or knockout Wonder Woman, which should prove physically impossible given Wonder Woman’s abilities and speed. Even if hulk manages to tag Wonder Woman he is still not strong enough to ONE shot her. He would need to literally out fight her which is highly unlikely.

Unless WWhulk has some other abilities or powers other than raw strength Stamina and regeneration, he would lose every time to someone like Wonder Woman.

Thanks

EXACTLY. WTF is that about MRS FINCH. and why is she clutching an F_ing teddy bear of all things! LOL.....Good points Outside_85

Its really not about hope in my opinion. Wonder Woman is going to have her ups and downs. ANYWAY i am ok with her in JL and SM/WW. I even was ok with JMS run on Wonder Woman #600 Hell I even though her TV pilot with adrianne palicki was ok for What it was.

But in my humble opinion this has to be the worst WW comic I ever read. However I dont have to wait for things to get better. I will always be a fan and i can always reread Brian Azz run in the mean time. or watch her 2009 Animated movie or the justice league cartoon ETC. and of course wait for her solo movies to come out.

This is a great time to be a wonder woman fan!

but the finches just seem cluless. I will give them 3 more issues

Superman is not trained to fight that is why he can be easily bloodlusted and fight like a brawler.

If he knew he was fighting someone skilled he still would still make plenty of mistakes because he really has one way of fighting.

5 min to go Wonder Woman laid the smack down

what the hell did I just read?

This was literally the worst canon Wonder Woman comic I have ever read in.... I cant even remember how long.

I knew it would never be as good as the last run but. OMG its like i was reading Wonder Girl or something.

What a shame