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#1 Posted by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@jphulk26 said:

@wdw - You are right. I have bought all WW books. The only problem, Azzerello´s WW isn´t a WW book. It´s another character, who Azz invented, who I´m not interrested in. A true WW fan who doen´t like this run should feel no obligation to buy it. In fact what I do is every month I buy several old issues of WW from Rucka to Luke to make sure at least her sales are still up... I think that´s a good way to protest. On the other hand I enjoy that people like Azz´s run. Its good that people enjoy it, so I just wish they´d continue that storyline as an elseworld. I don´t want another character who I can see so many have a passion for completely destroyed or forgotten the same way WW has been forgotten.

Well... to correct you. It is a Wonder Woman book... no matter how much you hate the character this is a bonafide Wonder Woman book.....Just like Perez's Wonder Woman Volume 2 in 1986 was also a Wonder Woman book and yet changed a number of things from Volume one.

Also just like in the 1970's when Wonder Woman lost all her powers and became a boutique owner was still a Wonder Woman book.

Like it or not the Wonder Woman character spands many generations so it would be silly to say there is only one TRUE Wonder Woman because there is not.

:)

#2 Posted by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@wdw said:

I am not a Azzarello hater....

But.... if you are a fan of Wonder Woman.... Buy the book. I have managed to collect them all rather than the ones i knew I was going to like....

It makes no sense to boycott it in my opinion... Wonder Woman fans should buy all her books. IF they dont like it atleast they know WHY they dont like it and can complain through the usual channels and know what they are talking about :)

I've bought all of Wonder Woman's appearances since the Crisis and sat though a lot of disastrous interpretations, but Azzarello's was the straw that broke the camel's back. I've read all his issues, I didn't stop purchasing the title until #11. I'll know what I'm criticizing because I'll continue to read the book at my lcs and put it back on the stand. I won't reward DC by buying something I hate, they'll just continue giving me more of it. Other people can call that petty, I call it being discerning and having principles.

As long as you read them as a Wonder Woman fan no problem.... you dont have to buy them as you said..... and no matter how Wonder Woman is written or by who... there is always going to be someone that hates it for the exact reason why you love it and vice versa. Thats just the nature of this business.

Its unfortunate that you hate this run so much.... I think its the best run since I have been following Wonder Woman comics in 1986.... oh well

#3 Edited by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@antinatalistaggie said:

Examples of her using nonviolent solutions to subdue super powered opponents:

With such colossal strength as Hercules', she could easily grapple against opponents and hold them at bay while she talked them down without having to strike them.

With her bracelets she could harmlessly deflect any offensive attacks away from noncombatants while also preserving her own life while seeking a solution.

With the beauty of Athena, she could easily seduce opponents into submission.

With her unbreakable lasso of truth she can harmlessly bind an opponent and have it's truth telling magic have the villain experience the conviction of their consciousness and confess their deeds.

With the speed of Hermes she could easily dodge and sidestep super speed attacks; her opponents would swing and miss until they tired, allowing her to negotiate a solution.

Nonviolent solutions require creativity and very ingenious writing.

It is the laziest form of storytelling to resolve a conflict with: "The villain punched, but the hero punched harder. And they lived happily ever after..."

YAWN!

#4 Edited by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not a Azzarello hater....

But.... if you are a fan of Wonder Woman.... Buy the book. I have managed to collect them all rather than the ones i knew I was going to like....

It makes no sense to boycott it in my opinion... Wonder Woman fans should buy all her books. IF they dont like it atleast they know WHY they dont like it and can complain through the usual channels and know what they are talking about :)

#5 Edited by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerherc:

OH ok got you.... anyway I just see it differently from most I guess… Being born from clay is not really her origin (how she became Wonder Woman)

Its everything that happened after it that I find important since throughout most of Wonder Woman’s history the clay birth is never referred to in a meaningful way at all.

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@powerherc: why do you think they should preserve the clay birth

#7 Edited by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@wonderfan409: Athena is zeus daughter. .... so is Wonder Woman. That makes them sisters. half sisters

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@relloman: Glad your entertained :) arent forums fun!!?

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@relloman said:

@wdw

HUH???

If a movie is dependent on the director and actor and overall film performance how can it possibly ignore the villains since the VILLAIN is also an ACTOR who we are depending on?

This here just shows you got too emotional to understand what I meant by that... What I was saying was, do you really think any non-comic book reader went to see Thor because they saw Loki was the villain? Obviously not, but like Robert Downey Jr's Ironman, Tom Hiddleston made the character great; the most interesting pre-Avengers villain by far.

POINT BEING: No one could have predicted that. He could have just as easily been a bust of a villain, e.g. Dr. Doom. In that case, it's not for fans to decide, no matter how avid.

Superhero movies should always BE ENTIRELY dependent on the director and actors and overall story. Good and believable villains will be a welcome side effect of good movie production the only thing that needs to happen is casting the villains.

Let’s take Batman forever and Batman and Robin as a case study.

Riddler, Poison Ivy Mr. Freeze, Two face, Bane…. All great batman villains’ right? So how come both movies sucked?

Because the movies failed to BE ENTIRELY dependent on the director and actors and overall story

And decided to fill the movies up with icon villains rather than attempt to make a good movie

Same goes for Spiderman 3…. Venom is a great villain so what happened to Spiderman 3? Why did It suck?... same answer.

Uhh-Okay?

Anyway, to conclude my point:

  1. No one is going to watch a Wonder Woman movie because "insert here" is the villain
  2. As an avid fan, your views on how the movie could be are simultaneously obscured with biased, and the only one worth listening to. That being said, this is a hypothetical question. You have your views, other people have there own... So unless you plan on hunting me down and kicking my ass over it, relax
  3. If the real life movie turns out good becuz of the casting and writing and directing and whatever, than okay... But could it just as easily turn out bad? Obviously yes... Point being, Wonder Woman's rogue's gallery are 100% dependent on the actor or director's interpretation. Everyone knows Lex Luthor, and how Lex Luthor should behave. It can be played with, but for the most part (in today's day and age anyway) we're talking arrogant, rich, criminal mastermind. But Ares? Cross your fingers Wonder Woman fans...

OH I am not upset at all.... You are forming an opinion on something you know nothing about so I found it prudent to school you thats all.

POINT BEING: No one could have predicted that. He could have just as easily been a bust of a villain, e.g. Dr. Doom. In that case, it's not for fans to decide, no matter how avid.

Really your point is you have no point.... you are flip floping your point..... Go REREAD your first post. here I posted it below....

Wonder Woman is not a trilogy worthy character... Just like the Hulk, what villains do u use? Cheetah, I guess... But who after? Nazi's lol

It can't be done

Meanwhile we just listed more than enough villains......

And by your logic Ironman would not be a trilogy worth character because I have NO idea who is villians are..... any yet here we are.... IRONMAN has made 2Billion

You can say that about spiderman, Captain America Thor.... ETC....

So YES it can be DONE and infact... It seems like the NORM

BECAUSE

95% of the superhero movies made have non mainstream villains.....

including Ironman and spiderman ETC..... so why is wonder woman different?

Everyone knows how LEX LUTHOR will behave? the mainstream public knows lex luthor from the GENE HACKMAN version which is VERY different than the one coming in Batman Superman.

You are really misinformed and I am afraid Clueless.... but you are entitled to your opinions

and your whole argument is flawed because people who are die hard Wonder Woman fans are not the only ones going to see the movie. maybe 1% of the people that saw the batman movies actually buy his comicbooks... I dont think you understand the concept of mainstream acceptance vs Comicbook fandom

And as for ARES?.... Dude that villian has had a ton of showing to mainstream public.....From Xena Warrior Princess to the Clash of the Titans movie video games and everything in between. Ares the God of War is known. ....Known for like thousands of years since the times of the Greek hero stories.