Top Melee Combatants

List is based on overall combat prowess, not just martial arts ability, but also factoring in speed and agility.
Subject to constant change, still needs more research too. Not counting anyone with enhanced abilities that would factor into their martial arts performance (ie superstrength, speed, immortality) Also only including people from the mainstream continuity and timeline
 
Other people I'm considering :  
Council of Spiders
Brothers in Silk
Hellhound
Tsunemoto (Trained Batman)
Lynx

Wrath(Original) (once Batman’s equal)
Talia al Ghul
Katarina Armstrong
Kate Spencer/Manhunter
Shado
 
Exclusions include:
Deathstroke, Zeiss, Jean Paul Valley, all Amazons, Sonia Sato, Ravager, Ra's al Ghul, Sensei, Ripley Jagger, Vandal Savage, Scandal Savage, Karate Kid.

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12 Comments
Posted by Static Shock

No Karate Kid?

Posted by vuviper
@Static Shock: Yeah it's part of the exceptions, KK is in a different list

 Not counting anyone with enhanced abilities that would factor into their martial arts performance (ie superstrength, speed, immortality) Also only including people from the mainstream continuity and timeline

Posted by Static Shock

Oh, OK. Fair enough.

Posted by Tim_Drake4444

Nice List
Posted by Strafe Prower

If this helps you with Katana 
 
She has been trained by Batman 

She has stalemated Lady Shiva ,Ra's Al Ghul, Deathstroke, and Jean Paul Valley.

Edited by beatboks1

Nice list. For my money (if this is in order), Drakon (whom I believe a little overrated) Conner and Wildcat are a little high. Love the fact that you included O-senei. In pre COIE continuity he was the master of Bruce Wayne, Richard Dragon, Ben Turner, and Lady Shiva. Not sure whether or not that's still in current continuity.

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Posted by k4tzm4n

If you're not including characters due to powers, Drakon should be removed.  He has super speed. 
 
Also, why do you believe Catman is superior to Grayson and Bane?
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Posted by k4tzm4n

No problem. 
 
And yes, Ollie stated Drakon has super speed.
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Posted by entropy_aegis
@k4tzm4n said:
If you're not including characters due to powers, Drakon should be removed.  He has super speed.  Also, why do you believe Catman is superior to Grayson and Bane?
He is'nt,i would like to know why King Snake,Bamboo Monkey,Black Canary,the Armless and Legless master and Cheshire are ranked higher than Bane.Ricahrd Dragon does'nt have anything going for him either. 
 
Likwise i don't see any reason to exclude Sensei,Slade,Ra's,Zeiss and Ravager.Though i'm thankful that Wrath and Kobra have been mentioned. 
NkvDemon deserves props too.
Posted by vuviper
@entropy_aegis: I believe I put King Snake, Armless, and Legless master all up there because they each did better against Shiva then I would expect Bane or Wildcat to do. Bamboo monkey was placed up there because he was simultaneously stomping Dick Grayson and Tim Drake, something I don't really see Bane doing with as much ease.  Dragon's place was basically given to him for supposedly being Shiva level. Cheshire is reputed to be a great assassin and she has beaten Deathstroke. Canary Beat Cheshire twice, and that was before becoming Lady Shiva's personal student. 
 
Sensei, Ra's, and Vandal Savage were excluded for their long life span, Zeiss for his enhanced speed and cybernetic eye implants and Ravager for her precog and probably enhanced physical stats.  This baby list included them though:http://www.f.com/myvine/vuviper/superskills/75-11971/ maybe it would be fun to make a more inclusive list.
Edited by entropy_aegis
@vuviper said:

@entropy_aegis: I believe I put King Snake, Armless, and Legless master all up there because they each did better against Shiva then I would expect Bane or Wildcat to do. Bamboo monkey was placed up there because he was simultaneously stomping Dick Grayson and Tim Drake, something I don't really see Bane doing with as much ease.  Dragon's place was basically given to him for supposedly being Shiva level. Cheshire is reputed to be a great assassin and she has beaten Deathstroke. Canary Beat Cheshire twice, and that was before becoming Lady Shiva's personal student.   Sensei, Ra's, and Vandal Savage were excluded for their long life span, Zeiss for his enhanced speed and cybernetic eye implants and Ravager for her precog and probably enhanced physical stats.  This baby list included them though:http://www.f.com/myvine/vuviper/superskills/75-11971/ maybe it would be fun to make a more inclusive list.

Bane has bested Snake ,and TBH the Masters did'nt really do much to Shiva.He's beaten both Drake and Nightwing with ease.Actual defeats whereas the Bamboo Monkey just kicked them and ran,more akin to using their own numbers and leverage against them than actual skill.Cheshire has'nt beaten Slade,she's gotten stomped multiple times and has struggled against Roy to boot,hell she could'nt even land a single hit on Catman,she's vastly overrated.Honestly Bane is fully capable of beating the Masters,Canary,Cheshire and King Snake.I would put him more on Silver Monkey level.
Posted by Strafe Prower

I don't have a problem with most of this, however I think Catwoman is far too low on this list. She's beaten Wildcat twice, She dominated Catman, she has beaten Tim Drake twice (Granted this was as Robin), and more. I just don't see her being as far down as you say.