Vivke

I think you are misinterpreting and romanticizing them too much in the New 52. Joker in the New 52 was torturing Harley mentally for fun. He said he is going to cut her face and Harley was okay with it. She asked "will I be still beautiful?" to which Joker: "When did I ever say you are beautiful?" The reason he would want to cut her face is totally egoistic and not about "being together with her." It is about making her the same as him like a toy, a creation he can replace anytime, an object he could throw away anytime. No mention he was just messing with her for fun.

He said this pain will be nothing like before, it will hurt like hell. Then Harley prepared herself and Joker put the Red Hood mask on her head and just left(laughing his ass off I bet). So when she opened her eyes she only saw red. This was a total psychological torture and mindgame for fun. Nothing else.

Not to mention he kept several Harleys in the dungeon clearly stating to Harley: "You are replacable." Whether those girls were real or not doesn't matter. He purposely made Harley see them to torture her.

Joker has stepped above simple human emotions since about Grant Morrison (I think) and people should just accept it.

Back to this topic: thank god it is only a hallucination. Honestly I just cringe when I see things like this. Joker does not have normal human emotions anymore otherwise he would have a weak point. Well he does have a certain person who could be his weak point but imo that is not Harley. That would mean Joker is human which he is not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Joker and Harley are not Bonnie and Clyde and never can be. This is mostly the fantasy of people who overly romanticize the relationship of Harley and Joker. I blame it on Paul Dini because he did play with this silly idea in some comics, though it turned up mostly in kid's comics. But it literally contradicts with who Joker really is.

You just can't humanize Joker that much. You. just. can't. That takes away from his evilness, from his cruelness and make him more sympathetic or even victimized which is a terrible idea. He is not that in 90% of his incarnations. He cannot love the way many Harley/Joker fans want him to.

Also Harley cannot strike back at him most of the time:. 1. because she is submissive to him 2. she believes Joker is just a little bit violent nothing much but deep down he loves her for sure. Yikes.

They won't tone down Joker for Harley to show that deep down he does have a normal human heart. He is a villain for god's sake. The only way he can feel love is through obsession. And in lots of instances the the subject of his obsession is Batman, the only person he respects as an equal.

I personally liked Assault on Arkham though Joker was terribly out of character. Like the moment he was talking about Harley's skin like that. Not Jokerish at all. You can't distract Joker with "trivial" things like how good Harley looks... I hope they do not use that as a source. Though now in Suicide Squad he looks like a pimp. So who knows? lol.

Yes, it's a bit early for Harley to leave Joker right at the beginning but since it is a Suicide Squad movie and sequel I don't think it would be good if they were "together". Also in my opinion not many people would like to see their true, realistic relationship through several episodes. Because the viler Joker gets, the more terribly he treats Harley. Since they mostly take the New 52 as a source I can imagine that Joker won't be tame and obviously they won't tone him down for Harley's sake.

Not to mention Jared Leto is usually a support actor and does not play in sequels. So they just hopefully and conviniently end the relaionship of Harley and Joker here in the beginning.

@flameboy298: I know it was a mash up and it looked terrible but I honestly read somewhere that it was official. Lol. Okay. Nevermind.

I agree with that they will try to satisfy everyone especially people who scream abuse (honestly I do not like their relationship either). But unfortunately they should show first the nature of their relationship so that Harley can move on. I'm sure this is why they do this scene where Joker hits her so hard she fells to the ground.

On the earlier photos of Harley, already in the Suicide Squad, we can see that she is throwing away her 'PUDDIN' choker so I'm guessing she will move on but for that Joker has to do something pretty bad first. And they will have to show it.

@scouterv: As I see it, Harley does not strike back most of the time when Joker hurts her. There are a very few times (some from kid's comics, one from No Man's land when she was enhanced by Ivy, one from a seperate comic, and some from the New 52) where she kicks Joker's ass. Still in No Man's land Joker chokes her later and she does not fight back, he kicks her in the face etc. The reason he wins is also because Harley is submissive.

In New 52 she really fought back. That is true. But she still ended up in a dungeon. And also Joker's threshold of pain is terribly different than normal people's.

But I digress. Sorry.

Yeah, he might or might not find it funny next day.

I understand that people have to produce something for Harley/Joker fans but I have never liked this approach because you have to tone down Joker sooooooo much that it is pathetic.

Like what is Joker? A cutie lovely husband who kills occasionally and has a soft spot for Harley? And just for Harley? God no..... In kid's comics he might be but in the main story he is not.

@scouterv: Well, if Harley did that I don't think she could walk for a long time after the beating she gets from Joker...

Besides yes, they released a pic where Joker was crouching on a chair and Harley was inking him. Like he would want all those stupid tattoos.ahh

I don't think Joker would let Harley tattoo anything on him that HE does not want. The damaged on his forehead is so childish and not Joker-like that it hurts. Joker is an egoist, he thinks he looks great the way he is.

Not to mention it will distract me when there will be a close up of his face. This is simply a terrible choice by the designers.

@fallingcliffs: Well, that might be a bit pimpish but they were trying to go for an emperor look which is not the same. And this was one occasion.

Also he doesn't have tattoos,grill teeth and a Lamborghini :D