Isn't it funny that your whole argument did nothing but prove my point all the more. Though you are correct in the sense of emotions being formed in places other than the brain, but without the brain, emotions can’t exist. Granted, I should have chosen my word choice a bit better, rather than using the word “mind” I use the word “brain” There are many ways that emotions can be created, but they all have one thing in common, they need the brain in order to become an emotion.
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If what you say is true, then why didn’t Galactus absorb her power in their last encounters?
Why did he lose every time they fought?
Was it just because he was hungry? lol, no, it was because the Phoenix was faster and smarter.
You can use any excuse in the book, but when Galactus came to earth for the sole purpose of getting his revenge on Phoenix, he lost. People like to say that it wasn’t a fair fight because he wasn’t ready, but guess what, that is his fault. He should have planned it out, not come half prepared. This just shows how foolish he is.
If he is as powerful as you say he is why hasn’t Phoenix fallen to him? He has had plenty of chances to defeat her and yet he hasn’t. This thread is asking who would win and we already know the answer to that because it has already happened, more than once. Phoenix wins…
I think Professor X will win if he does have the mind gem. Phoenix was easily manipulated with Jason Wynegarde's illusions and when the X-Men first went against Phoenix Professor X was able to bind Phoenix in a telepathic duel with the assistance of Jean. And the only reason why the Phoenix psyche was able to be released was because Jean witnessed Cyclops and the rest of the X-Men fall during the duel that the Shi'ar and the X-Men had on the blue moon.
I am afraid that you are incorrect. Phoenix was never manipulated by Jason, it was the Dark Phoenix that was being manipulated which is far more weaker than Phoenix itself. Also when Professor X was in that telepathic duel he did nearly lost, like you said, he had the assistance of the Omega Level Mutant Jean Grey, which is a perfect example of how powerful she alone is without the Phoenix Force assisting her. As soon as Jean left the Dark Phoenix, the creature started to flounder almost immediately, which shows yet again just how crucial Jean Grey herself is to the overall creature. And let’s face it, the Dark Phoenix showed her amount of power when she broke out of the extremely powerful bindment as soon as Jean Grey was ticked off. It took a second of Jean Grey not focusing on keeping the Dark Phoenix controlled and look what happened. That is how easy it was for the creature to break free. Most would have died from the amount of power that Charles alone put on the mind not to mention Jean Grey too, but no, not the Dark Phoenix, it could barely hold her. I don’t think that anything that Xavier does could possible defeat the Phoenix. He couldn’t beat her in her weakest form, so I doubt he could when she would be even more powerful.
You stated: " Example an empath wants to instill fear in a crowd and make them run away, everybody in that crowd will have a different fear that would make them run, an empath will only be able to create fear and if powerful enough can cause them to hallucenate but not necessarily control what they see, so everybody will experience something different,a telepath can just deduce that everybody will run if everything is on fire and create telepathic illusions of that in the minds of everybody and they will run in terror."
You said that Empathy will make everyone's fears come to life and that everyone will see something different, the thing that every single individual fears most. In so many words you said that Telepathy couldn't do that. That they could only create a hallucination that everyone will see and fear, such as a fire (your example). You may have stated that telepathy could do everything that empathy could do, but the only difference you tried to portray is that telepathy couldn’t use the element of fear like empathy could. Excuse me for saying so, but it almost sounded like you were implying that empathy could do something than telepathy can't. I mean if I were to just randomly hear that empathy could make eceryone's biggest fears come to life and that telepathy could only make an hallucination such as a fire, I would think empathy is far stronger when in reality, that is not true. Telepathy can make every single person see something different like Empathy can, you are saying otherwise. Also, I used Charles Xavier because he was a perfect example, I could have used Emma Frost or any other telepath that has used cerebro, but I simply decided to use Charles, there was no reason behind it. So yet again you are mistaken …
I think people are taking some writers inability to seperate the two as gospel, they are two very different powers by nature and definition, by their natures and definition an empath cannot do whatever a telepath can do and any instance of it is just a writer not understanding the power at hand, the same way a psi blast from a telepath back in the 70s could generate concussive force simply because one writer didn't differentiate between a telepathic psi blast and telekinetic psi blast, all they saw was psi blast. Telepaths can control emotions and the body the same way an empath can, the same parts of the brain that emotional stimuli can trigger can be controlled by a telepath, on the other hand, an empath can make you afraid and possibly even push you to hallucenate due to it, a telepath can make you afraid and bring that fear to life right in front of your eyes and the eyes of others if they want them to see it. Example an empath wants to instill fear in a crowd and make them run away, everybody in that crowd will have a different fear that would make them run, an empath will only be able to create fear and if powerful enough can cause them to hallucenate but not necessarily control what they see, so everybody will experience something different, a telepath can just deduce that everybody will run if everything is on fire and create telepathic illusions of that in the minds of everybody and they will run in terror.
@Roddy010thanks for the comment very much appreciated.
That is not necessarily true, an omega leveled mutant like Jean Grey who has enough experience with the human mind would have no problem going into the mind of every single human and making their worst nightmare come to life in a blink of an eye. I mean Charles Xavier who is a far weaker telepath compared to Jean Grey could kill every human in the world when connected to cerebro if he were to focus hard enough. Jean Grey who is far more powerful, I am sure would be able to use her power and take it up a notch. Instead of killing them, she would just have to focus a little more and make them see what she wants them to see. A crowd as you used for your example I am sure would be no problem. In the end, it comes down to how powerful the telepath is.
Ok, perhaps I shouldn’t give examples anymore, lol
But what I am trying to say is basically along the same lines. Correct me if I am mistaken, but you yourself stated Roddy010 that Empathy's "Powerbase"(I suppose you could call it) is emotion right?
And where and how is Emotion created? In the mind, correct? And the mind is the "Powerbase" of Telepathy.
My examples of the snakes were in a way trying to say that, in a very twisted way. See, the Garden Snake is just a small snake, but an Anaconda is far larger and stronger. It is like the King of the snakes, it is number one, get my drift? :) An Anaconda can do everything that a Garden Snake can do and far more, just like Telepathy can do everything that Empathy can do and far more, because it controls the WHOLE mind, not just emotions. That is what I was trying to say, lol, the snake example was shitty, lol, sorry guys.
I will actually disagree again if we take the control example:
Telepathy, is as i see it, more like you having a remote controlled car or robot, unless you acvitely guide it around, it will just sit there.
Empathy however is more like a well trained dog, where the car/robot has to be directed to go get something, all you have to do with the dog is tell it to and it will do it to make you happy. The difference is the effort you have to do.
I really don't think that the toy car is the best example. Try this one...
Empathy is like a GARDEN Snake, it is able to kill, but at a very slow rate and only small animals such as mice and bunnies.
Telepathy is like an ANDACONDA, it is poisonous and can kill huge animals such as alligators and horses at a rapid rate.
Both are snakes, but one can do much more damage than the other. Empathy and Telepathy are similar, but Telepathy can do far more damage at a much more faster speed than Empathy.