Argh, sorry CS & W08, but I'll have to get back to this in the morning. I'll drop my two cents then.
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O.O How long did that take to draw?
I got the first page done in a day, and I think the second one took me a good week (the panels here were tricky). The third one kept getting delayed for weeks because of RL stuff, I think I stopped work on it for like just under a month.
I think I've got more backing up my stance than you do yours. The dialogue clearly points to this being how the Hulk wanted the whole thing to play out. Do you really think, considering Bruce's feats, that Hulk wouldn't have been able to put up a far tougher fight, if this plan wasn't his first option? And if the Hulk was going to activate his plan, which is more likely? That he fakes a knockout as quickly as possible, so he can activate his ambush? Or that he lets himself get put into a position to be temporarily KOed by the team, where he then he loses any control over the situation, because he'd have no idea how long he'd be out? Drawing blood isn't always a prerequisite to being 'flash knocked out'.
As for the Ultimate Hulk instance...you can't seriously speculating that Ultimate Hulk was faking? Your speculation should at least have some degree of on-panel evidence behind it. For one, I doubt Ultimate Hulk even had that level of intelligence to do that at this point in his history. I mean - Wasp was able to momentarily distract him by flashing her breasts. He was a dumb brute who couldn't even form proper sentences. For another, what would the purpose of him playing possum be? He's stronger than Cap, he can't be outfought - and he doesn't have a plan. He's just a mindlessly rampaging monster. Throughout the fight, he shows no usage of tactics beyond attacking everything in his path. It's entirely different to the 616 instance, where Hulk was intelligent and clearly had a strategy in motion.
And Ultimate Hulk being able to grab the needle aside was because he managed to regain consciousness in time - his NO! was in big letters, exemplifying the shock the character had when he saw the needle. He didn't know what it was, but he definitely knew it was bad, and so he reacted naturally. If you saw someone getting ready to a stick a needle into you just as you woke up - wouldn't you immediately stop him? And break the needle too? Frankly, considering Ultimate Hulk's intelligence as well as the context, I can't think of a single motive why he would even fake getting stunned?
I think at this point we're already derailing the thread, but my argument still stands. The two showings are two very different situations, and hardly comparable to boot. There's the physicals gap (it's smaller for Ultimate Cap and Hulk), the scenario (Ultimate Hulk didn't have a plan) and the execution (Ultimate Hulk was - beyond any doubt - actually stunned by Ult Cap's raw strength).
EDIT: As for Thunderball. Yeah, Chuck Austen.
@i_like_swords Maybe his newer issues had better showings? I don't know, as I said, take my position with a pinch of salt. If Luther Strode's abilities work as the respect thread puts it, I could theoretically understand why fellow Viners are saying he would win. But that being said, I've never actually read his series; I don't know how those abilities are put into practice and whether or not they're consistent or affected by characterization.
I'll get to it in a bit; save me a spot! Considering all the redundant Bats vs. Cap threads I've suffered through on this site, this debate doesn't end until The Shark gets a vote!
My question is: What exactly constitutes as 'standard gear' for Prometheus? In his first showing against the JLA, he was prepped with a bunch of gadgets, but they were all specifically designed for use against the Leaguers. E.g. the molecular toxin he used against Manhunter, the disc he used against Bats, or the neural chaff against Kyle Rayner. I don't know if he made regular use of these post-Morrison, but there's that to consider.
Though...even if he's on the losing end of the fight, Prometheus still has the option of BFRing Scott into the Ghost Zone with the Cosmic Key (Also known as the Still Zone, Limbo, the Honeycomb, and the Phantom Zone). Or alternatively, using the Key to disintegrate Scott like he did to Retro.
I was sorting through some old junk today, and I came across a VS. System deck that I bought a long time ago. It was a 2-Player starter set with a Batman Family and Batman Villains deck. I remember buying it like...when I was 11 or 12, because I was big into TCGs as a kid. But I never did get the chance to play with anyone, as most of my peers then were into Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon haha.
I was just curious: has anyone ever heard of this game or played it before? I reckon it was quite popular for a time, at least until its cancellation. It's a pretty fun game to play, as I recall. They made decks for DC, Marvel, even Hellboy in Dark Horse.