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#1 Edited by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

@bat_girl_cc said:

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@vegandiet said:

@bat_girl_cc said:

2) " Iron Fist himself disagrees with you "...how so?...i said that a full-power Iron Fist, would probably beat Spider-Man...and you posted a scan on which Iron Fist states that he can hold is own against Spider-Man...lol, you're not making any sense.

3) I know what you're trying to do...and it's fine! i mean, you don't have better feats to show, for the character that you are supporting, so you have to downball the ones from the superior character...makes sense...but it's not going to work...you can try to downball the feat, all you want...but you can't change what it's there...3-inches of quartz, dude...3-inches!

4) that laser-dodging, was kind of weak...Batman barely managed to dodge the first beam...the second one missed Batman...and then, Batman used a special mirror...so, not very impressive.

Not very impressive at all, specially, when compared to this:

5) I know that Cassie actually hurtting Superboy is a little WIS...but, it's funny that you think that's PIS...and yet, you think that it's OK for Batman to break through a door designed to sustain missile impacts. lol.

1. Captain America has outpaced bullets before as well, but I don't see these as especially relevant as Spider-man has outpaced bullets 3 separate times and has even outpaced an electrical blast before.

2.Spider-man has completely tooled on Iron Fist two times. In fact, Iron Fist has literally never tagged Spider-man without there being extenuating context.

3. 3-inch quarts is indeed pretty impressive, but I'd wager that ripping through carbonadium, and tearing apart armor that was completely unscathed from a terminal-velocity fall is more impressive. I would also say that Spider-man being able to punch with "concussive force equal to an exploding mortar" while exhausted and damaged is a bit more impressive.

4. Don't really have a rebuttal for this. Spider-man has done more impressive stuff, but it seems like this scan was more centered on Batman vs. Batgirl which is pretty unimportant.

Why is Batman vs. Batgirl being argued here exactly?

1) Dodged, or out-paced?...dodged i belive...many other street-levelers have donne it too, out-pace them i'll need proof.

2) Was Iron Fist using his chi?

3) Yeah, spider-man has greater stricking power than Cassie, but Cassie's hits could hurt him badly IMO

Batman is being argued here, because everybody knows that Batman is peak-human, and thus he is "below" Spider-Man...and since Cassie has been rated as meta, on panel, comparing Batman's feats to Cassie's, is the way Spider-Man's fanboy's found, in order to lowball Cassie.

1. Nah, he's definitely outpaced a bullet before. I'll see if I can find the scan for you later.

Edit: Nevermind. Jashro provided the one I was talking about.

2. Yes, he used the Iron Fist in one fight, along with traps, and I believe he was chi-amping himself in the other, but I'll have to check.

3. Fair enough. I don't know if she's fast enough to land a really solid hit, as other master martial artists have had problems doing so,

Well, I personally have no problem with Cassie being labeled as meta or at least possessing meta level stats in some areas, so I don't really have much of a dog in this fight.

#2 Posted by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

2) " Iron Fist himself disagrees with you "...how so?...i said that a full-power Iron Fist, would probably beat Spider-Man...and you posted a scan on which Iron Fist states that he can hold is own against Spider-Man...lol, you're not making any sense.

3) I know what you're trying to do...and it's fine! i mean, you don't have better feats to show, for the character that you are supporting, so you have to downball the ones from the superior character...makes sense...but it's not going to work...you can try to downball the feat, all you want...but you can't change what it's there...3-inches of quartz, dude...3-inches!

4) that laser-dodging, was kind of weak...Batman barely managed to dodge the first beam...the second one missed Batman...and then, Batman used a special mirror...so, not very impressive.

Not very impressive at all, specially, when compared to this:

5) I know that Cassie actually hurtting Superboy is a little WIS...but, it's funny that you think that's PIS...and yet, you think that it's OK for Batman to break through a door designed to sustain missile impacts. lol.

1. Captain America has outpaced bullets before as well, but I don't see these as especially relevant as Spider-man has outpaced bullets 3 separate times and has even outpaced an electrical blast before.

2.Spider-man has completely tooled on Iron Fist two times. In fact, Iron Fist has literally never tagged Spider-man without there being extenuating context.

3. 3-inch quarts is indeed pretty impressive, but I'd wager that ripping through carbonadium, and tearing apart armor that was completely unscathed from a terminal-velocity fall is more impressive. I would also say that Spider-man being able to punch with "concussive force equal to an exploding mortar" while exhausted and damaged is a bit more impressive.

4. Don't really have a rebuttal for this. Spider-man has done more impressive stuff, but it seems like this scan was more centered on Batman vs. Batgirl which is pretty unimportant.

Why is Batman vs. Batgirl being argued here exactly?

#3 Edited by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio
@senglord said:

@jashro44: need to use a PC.

Peter has had issue tagging people who were insanely good at Martial arts or were sufficiently fast to avoid the webs.

Are you sure about that statement? Because he's tagged two of the people here with webs without much of a problem and has been able to tag Daredevil, who has some fantastic avoidance/reaction feats, several times as well.

And Green Goblin and Doc Ock breaking out of webs doesn't mean that the rest of this group would be able to break out of them, as they are also much stronger than everyone here.

Edit- Forgot about Kaine. Yes, Kaine could probably break out of webs, but Peter would probably beat him for reasons already stated.

#4 Posted by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: You're welcome. And thank you for the full scan. I have to go through a ton of rigamarole to scan full pages, so I really appreciate it.

And yeah, you can't go wrong with Roger Stern if you're a Spider-man fan. His run on both titles is just great, and it's full of good feats for battle board enthusiasts.

#5 Posted by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

@segamarvel: I suppose that's valid reasoning. I'm just wary about trying to apply real world science/physics/ stats to comic books as it's clear that the actual writers very rarely do.

@jashro44: That one is from The Spectacular Spider-man #60 by Roger Stern. It's a backup story re-telling Spider-man's origin. I'd recommend tracking this one down if you're able as, in addition to just being a darn good classic story, it has some pretty nice feats for Spider-man.

#6 Edited by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

@senglord: "Bounding, Leaping, and Swinging over city streets… covered miles in mere seconds."

Could I get some scans that prove his "foot travel rate" is what you claim it is?

#7 Posted by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet said:

……..I'm done. You are literally too sad for me to make fun of in good conscience.

Sad? I'm always happy. Happy in the knowledge that unlike others, I've spent 10 years monitoring how would different comic characters react in different situations using my own written battle simulator. The data model which I spent 2 years to plan, build and refine is one of a kind, you can't get this anywhere. The closest one that ever came to was the latest Pokemon Showdown.

Ya know what man, that's fine. You do you. But, I think I'm just gonna go ahead and opt out of your threads in the future.

#8 Posted by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

@wenjun_chew: ……..I'm done. You are literally too sad for me to make fun of in good conscience.

#9 Posted by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

@wenjun_chew: Do you really not have anything better to do than make account after account after account to proclaim that Batman always wins?

#10 Posted by VeganDiet (978 posts) - - Show Bio

I lean towards Spidey as number one. I think his versatility and stat advantages seal it for him. If not him, then I'd say either Wolverine or Panther.