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#1 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Also, in the Dark Reign ASM issues, Peter, during his battle with Daken, compliments Logan's speed again.

It's clear that Wolverine is at least in the same class of speed as Spider-man. He's definitely a little below, but not by that much.

#2 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet:

You said earlier that HT's attack did the lion's share of the damage in that fight. Have you changed your mind now?

No, Human Torch has insane feats when going all out.

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Burns out Dr. Doom's Insects.

Turns Glass into Gas with his heat.

Scan 1-2: Going Nova on Namor.

Scan 3-4: Going Nova on Hyperion.

That attack he did to Osborn was single handily the most brutal attack 10 fold! Followed up by a second one would have had affect Goblin in some way.

So explosive force that didn't significantly harm a human teenager or even knock him that far away did significant damage to the Green Goblin?

Torch also has insane Durability feats!

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Smashed through a a freaking Cruiser size Ship! Still alive and well!

So yes, that would not damage that Teenage boy :)

I'd like to add that before HT's attack Green Goblin was missing a horn and had a broken jaw. Afterwards, his horn had regrown and his jaw was fine. Looks more like the fire attack healed him than harmed him, honestly.

..... Your right. That is something I never noticed before nor anyone ever pointed it out..... It could be Artist forgetting what he had drawn in details, his bio makes no mention of Healing via Fire. However he does have a very active Healing Factor. Maybe it regrew in that time.

I have no hard counter to that.

Peter draws blood with one blow before the Human Torch's assault. Norman is on his knees and unable to follow for a few panels after this. This is in reply to you asking for evidence of him being hurt before HT's attack.

You haven't laid out a single fact. You've posted baseless speculation and nothing more.

Again, show me proof that the explosive force did any damage to GG at all.

Hey, how about waiting for me to reply instead of being an ass about it and putting words in my mouth?

I think any damage is damage added. You get punched in the face by someone half your sized, it may not hurt then, but next day good chance you have a bruise showing where the damage was done regardless you felt it.

This is real world knowledge. GG is taking damage and took major damage from Torch first. This may have taxed his healing. Taking a second would not be any better regardless absorbing the fire aspect for added fire power.

Jashro said it best then. GG was written pretty low in Death of Spider Man. If he stays dead, that was his lowest showings over all. I rationalize it with Human Torch causing way to much damage from the get gos and thus doing the Leg Work. I still stand by that considering Human Torches attacks >>>>> Spider Man with a truck.

So despite no damage being shown, despite the Green Goblin not looking hurt or even knocked back, despite him being able to fight just fine afterwards, and Peter talking as if the attack amped him, you're sticking with that attack doing the most damage?

Going nova on people that can't just absorb his attack doesn't really do anything. Especially considering Johnny was unconscious right before this?

Do you have any feats of him surviving such attacks when his fire was off or was drained? Legitimately asking. Do you really think Johnny is meant to be in the same league of durability as GG?

I'm not saying it actually healed him, as that's never been stated, but going by how his powers were constantly growing, I wouldn't be terribly surprised. I'd never try to pass it off as hard evidence; it's just something interesting to speculate on.

I'll agree he was written lower than before, but there is simply no evidence that HT's attack did much, or any damage, to Green Goblin the second time.

#3 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

And, I'm gonna side with GG here. Ock's arrogance and rather poor showings against actual formidable opponents makes me lean towards Gobby narrowly.

#4 Edited by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet: Show me evidence any attack hurts him.

He was never harmed or dropped by any other attack. The first scans of HT he burned Goblin and used Explosive force that Temporary KOed GG.

Then he does the same again with the same Explosive Force of his Fire Plasma to GG. We know he used Explosive force because we seen for a fact Human Torch being blown away at a angle instead of a dead drop.

Did it superbly harm GG? Maybe not, it was damage added regardless along with the first major Torch attack. With Mary Jane hitting him. With Spidey truck slams. With the truck explosion.

To say the explosive blast of Torch did nothing is foolish and very showing of your inability to see the facts that I layed out 3 times now.

Im sure you will simply reply with a simple "Nah Uh" post in reply, so I guess we will agree to disagree on how wrong you are.

You said earlier that HT's attack did the lion's share of the damage in that fight. Have you changed your mind now?

Human Torch did all the major leg work vs Goblin with Mary Jane and Peter adding the final blows.

So explosive force that didn't significantly harm a human teenager or even knock him that far away did significant damage to the Green Goblin?

I'd like to add that before HT's attack Green Goblin was missing a horn and had a broken jaw. Afterwards, his horn had regrown and his jaw was fine. Looks more like the fire attack healed him than harmed him, honestly.

Peter draws blood with one blow before the Human Torch's assault. Norman is on his knees and unable to follow for a few panels after this. This is in reply to you asking for evidence of him being hurt before HT's attack.

You haven't laid out a single fact. You've posted baseless speculation and nothing more.

Again, show me proof that the explosive force did any damage to GG at all.

Hey, how about waiting for me to reply instead of being an ass about it and putting words in my mouth?

#5 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet said:

@cadencev2 said:

@vegandiet said:

This harms him? Where exactly are you getting that? He absorbed every bit of the fire Johnny put out, so no, Human Torch did not do all the major leg work. It was all Peter and Mary Jane for the last round.

So the part where Human Torches explosive attack would added no damage at all? Is that your point? It was clearly explosive force with Johnny being blown away as well alot of Johnny's showings have a explosive blast to them period.

Easy to overlook this I suppose >_>

Except GG obviously absorbed the attack. So, I didn't overlook anything. It's stated on panel by Peter and shown in the artwork that GG absorbed the attack.

He absorb the fire, we see this, were does Absorbing the Explosive force come in? If he work that way the Exploding Truck would not have KOed him.

Your clearly wrong here.....

Maybe he was KO-ed by the 9 ton truck being repeatedly slammed into him?

There was never any explosive force mentioned. Osborn is not treated as if he was weakened in the slightest by what the Torch did, and Peter's comments about him absorbing it all confirms this.

You're the one who's wrong. Show me a shred of evidence that states the Goblin was weakened by the Torch's attack here.

#6 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet said:

This harms him? Where exactly are you getting that? He absorbed every bit of the fire Johnny put out, so no, Human Torch did not do all the major leg work. It was all Peter and Mary Jane for the last round.

So the part where Human Torches explosive attack would added no damage at all? Is that your point? It was clearly explosive force with Johnny being blown away as well alot of Johnny's showings have a explosive blast to them period.

Easy to overlook this I suppose >_>

Except GG obviously absorbed the attack. So, I didn't overlook anything. It's stated on panel by Peter and shown in the artwork that GG absorbed the attack.

#7 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

Until Mary Jane saves the day by all out speeding a 9+ ton truck into GG. Surprise! Then Spider Man with adrenalin pumping from Mary Jane in danger gets the strength to pound said truck onto Osborn's face. If that was not enough, it explodes in Osborn's face! With his wounds and life blood lost from the earlier wound, as well this truck explosion in his face, Spider Man dies. Osborn looks to be dead, but was never confirmed and has been said to be dead in the past, only to come back better than ever. So we will see in time if Osborn is truly dead.

So what Have I proved here?

  • That Peter only really fought and defeated Vulture on his own.
  • Peter needed saving left and right, given his condition it is reasonable.
  • Human Torch did all the major leg work vs Goblin with Mary Jane and Peter adding the final blows.

Where am I lowballing Peter again!?

This harms him? Where exactly are you getting that? He absorbed every bit of the fire Johnny put out, so no, Human Torch did not do all the major leg work. It was all Peter and Mary Jane for the last round.

#8 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

Team goes down pretty hard.

#9 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter still takes this. Ock doesn't have the skills or mental fortitude to win this fight.

#10 Posted by VeganDiet (1170 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet said:

@pokeysteve: Spider-man has powered through fear gas and the like a few times. He's also been tormented by his failures by Zarathos and overcame it. I think he could handle Scarecrow.

Nice. Fair enough. Think he gets past Ivy then? If he gets past her he should clear.

I actually wasn't thinking about the fact that it was SpOck in this thread instead of Peter.

Peter, I see clearing it, but I could see SpOck going down to Scarecrow or Ivy.