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It would take someone on iron man's tier to be able to stand their own or defeat master chief. Chief sweeps everyone in the op list.

Ha ha no. There are tons of street levelers that can give him a good fight. Some of them can even beat him. Iron Man would floor him no problem.

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@jmarshmallow said:

@monsterstomp said:

Mother****ers be hating on Chief!

They just can't handle his Super Spartan Swag!

@vegandiet said:
That's a perfectly nice stat. Now does he have any actual applications of said stat that show speed comparable to any of the feats that I listed for Spider-man?

Well, I mean, it's a video game. I'm not quite sure what you have in mind. He swatted a missile like it was nothing, if that counts.

Still, those stats clearly show that Chief is more than capable of matching Spidey.

Aren't there also several books starring Master Chief? Has he performed any actual impressive speed/feats in the several 300+page books he's been in?

Totally agree. I'm just saying that it's been done, so it can most certainly be done again. Especially by someone of John's caliber.

Fair enough. I just think it's far more likely Spider-man dodges John's projectiles as he usually does.

Scans? Who were the villains? Were they fodder? All of these are important questions.

I don't consider Taskmaster, Stunner, Lady Bullseye, Doppelganger, The Spider Slayer, Speed Demon, Vermin, etc. to be fodder. There certainly were some fodder villains in the group, but, as you can see, there were some actually formidable ones in the group:

(I zoomed in a little bit, as it's hard to make out everyone in good detail. I recommend you open the full page up in a new tab to see everything clearly)

I mean Chief also laughed off a free fall from outer space....sooo nothing out of the ordinary there...as for the tanking of a 70 tonner...that's pretty impressive.

Scorpion still hit the ground with the same velocity as MC. And if I recall MC's armor went into lockup after that. Scorpion was literally laughing about it, and was talking about how much he wanted to do it again.

It's been like two occasions, and the majority of people on ComicVine dub it as PIS, even Spidey fans. Take that as you will.

Weren't you talking in another thread, (I think Batman and Deathstroke vs. Cassandra Cain and Captain America), about how calling PIS is a weak argument? And claim that Batman stalemating Karate Kid wasn't PIS because it happened twice? Seems a little disingenuous to switch back and forth about whether PIS is a valid argument or not and how often one has to replicate a feat before it becomes valid.

For the record, Spider-man has damaged or tore through Iron Man armor's on 3 occasions. 4 if you count ripping Iron Man's face mask off during OMD. And even more if you count his bouts agains Iron Patriot

I disagree, that armor has been through some tough stuff.

And Spider-man has ripped through armor that has been through just as tough stuff.

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@vegandiet said:

I disagree on Chief being as fast as Spider-man. I don't know of any of Chief's reaction feats or speed feats that Spider-man hasn't exceeded.

20 millisecond reaction speed WITHOUT armor. With MJOLNIR its increased by a factor of five. In combat situations it's even faster. That's more than enough to match Spidey.

That's a perfectly nice stat. Now does he have any actual applications of said stat that show speed comparable to any of the feats that I listed for Spider-man?

He's also been tagged by people, projectiles, etc. much slower than that if caught off guard. And considering how good Chief is, he can catch him off guard.

True enough, but I think we can agree that the times Spider-man has danced around projectiles without issue far outweighs the times he's been tagged.

Fight competently, yes. But he's still soft, most of the time.

If you say so, but the same Spider-man you call soft was able to take down a hallway filled with dozens of villains, some of whom outclass him physically by a decent margin, when he was completely exhausted without getting tagged once.

Such as?

Scorpion's most recent armor made him capable of taking a shot by a 70-tonner followed by a terminal velocity fall with no damage at all. He literally laughed it off.

He's also been capable of damaging Iron Man armors on a few occasions.

He's also ripped through several carbonadium tentacles. The Mjolnir armor isn't going to be as big a problem as you'd think.

I'll leave the Wolverine argument in the capable hands of @wolverine08

#6 Posted by VeganDiet (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet said:

@jmarshmallow said:

@vegandiet said:

I thought that it would be kosher to name people capable of pulling 3-4/10 wins against MC in this thread, as MC should take a pretty huge majority against any street leveler that isn't Spider-man or Wolverine.

Chief beats a morals on Spidey, but loses to a bloodlusted one.

Chief beats Wolverine regardless.

Disagree on both counts.

Well, prove me wrong then. I say that Chief is just as fast as Spidey, and his markmanship/Cortana will allow him to tag Spidey as plenty of people have done in the past, since he won't be taking the fight as seriously as he should (he almost never does in character). And on top of all that, Spidey would have to utilize ALL his strength to take him down, which he won't do. Especially not right off the bat.

And Chief surpasses James in all aspects sans regeneration and (maybe) fighting skill. Chief's shields reduce friction, so Logan will be hard pressed to break through them.

I disagree on Chief being as fast as Spider-man. I don't know of any of Chief's reaction feats or speed feats that Spider-man hasn't exceeded.

I really don't see how Chief is going to tag Spider-man with projectiles, as Spider-man is capable of dodging bullets after they're fired with little issue, has consistently dodged lightning, has even dodged lightning without his spider sense, and can react fast enough to aim-dodge lightspeed blasts from numerous angles.

I went into this assuming we were discussing a competently written Spider-man that is still able to fight competently with morals on, instead of Dan Slott's idiot goofball that can't fight his way out of a paper bag without abandoning his morals. My mistake.

Spider-man has broken through armor with similar feats to the Chief's without using his full strength, so I don't see why that would be the case here.

Wolverine absolutely has better fighting skills than Chief. He also has better damage output and the ability to do damage that is going to be lasting. Wolverine should be able to heal from the vast majority of what Chief's going to put out.

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@vegandiet said:

I thought that it would be kosher to name people capable of pulling 3-4/10 wins against MC in this thread, as MC should take a pretty huge majority against any street leveler that isn't Spider-man or Wolverine.

Chief beats a morals on Spidey, but loses to a bloodlusted one.

Chief beats Wolverine regardless.

Disagree on both counts.

#8 Posted by VeganDiet (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

@sundeep: Jaime Reyes is the Blue Beetle, right? I've heard that he is actually capable of planet busting, so I'm not sure if that's fair.

Rocket Raccoon would be a decent fight as he has some impressive weaponry. It's entirely plausible for RR to take the win, I guess. I'm not the most knowledgeable about him.

Molly Hayes and Marv would go down pretty hard. Molly doesn't have the experience to compete, and is still ultimately just a kid.

Marv doesn't have the physicals to last more than one punch against Master Chief.

#9 Posted by VeganDiet (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegandiet: Well I agree that both of them could challenge Chief, but IMO Chief takes a hefty majority against both.

That's the point of this thread after all.

Jmarshmallow

I thought that it would be kosher to name people capable of pulling 3-4/10 wins against MC in this thread, as MC should take a pretty huge majority against any street leveler that isn't Spider-man or Wolverine.

#10 Posted by VeganDiet (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow: Black Panther's anti-metal would mitigate that, I think. And Iron Fist should be able to penetrate his armor. Though, I agree MC would take a majority over both.