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Neocrous says:

"He had more motivation at the time because he killed Cap. In a calm state Jason Todd is almost a sadist in a fight without being angry."

All that sadist sh!t means nothing because Crossbones and Sin are the same way and neither could beat Bucky.

Neocrous says:

"What real fight ever ended in one punch."

What real fight has a guy with a metal arm in it.

wolfdaman says:

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"wolfdaman says:

"The reason he is "written" that way lately is because the writers want to show off his healing factor. Check anywhere, Wolverine has "always" been considered Captain America's equal in hand to hand combat, if not better. "

I don't think Wolvie is Cap's equal, based on what I've seen over the years. Don't really care what any source says. I think Cap is better than Wolvie."

Don't even think he's in the top 20. Wolverine gets by on his toughness. Although certainly a master in many forms of fighting, he was never, ever shown to have the skills of Daredevil, Shang-Chi, or the Black Panther in the first 10 years of his creation as a character. Even now, no one can show Wolverine's skills to be top 10. The argument that writers want to show off his healing factor is weak. They can do that when he's shot, blown up, & poisoned. Which they do. In the fights I mentioned, and many more, Wolvie is shown to be a class below the top fighters because he is."

Notice that before Wolverine's healing factor got upgraded, he wasn't getting hit near as much, coincidence? I think not "

That's on purpose.Wolverine doesn't have a reason to block if he can't die.

Neocrous says:

"Like I said will to kill. I wasn't talking about how many he's killed I'm talking about he likes to kill now. Yeah Bucky has the highest body count, but Jaston Todd likes to kill more now."

Doesn't mean he can kill Bucky.One punch with the wrong arm will cause Jason Todd to be headless.

POHOCOM says:

"Static Shock says:

"wolfdaman says:

"The reason he is "written" that way lately is because the writers want to show off his healing factor. Check anywhere, Wolverine has "always" been considered Captain America's equal in hand to hand combat, if not better. "

I don't think Wolvie is Cap's equal, based on what I've seen over the years. Don't really care what any source says. I think Cap is better than Wolvie."

Don't even think he's in the top 20. Wolverine gets by on his toughness. Although certainly a master in many forms of fighting, he was never, ever shown to have the skills of Daredevil, Shang-Chi, or the Black Panther in the first 10 years of his creation as a character. Even now, no one can show Wolverine's skills to be top 10. The argument that writers want to show off his healing factor is weak. They can do that when he's shot, blown up, & poisoned. Which they do. In the fights I mentioned, and many more, Wolvie is shown to be a class below the top fighters because he is."

How is Wolverine not top 20? I'm going to guess anyone you can name as top 20,Wolverine could beat hand to hand with no claws.

POHOCOM says:

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"Sparda says:

"Batman's the best, and Cap and Wolvie are very close to eachother. I don't really know why most people think Wolvie is a bad fighter-he's not a bad fighter, he just happens to (lately) go rushing in and get hit alot. Wolverine has fought Cap and held his own, perhaps even qualified on *beating* him before (I'll post the pics if anyone wants). Silver Samurai? Remember when Wolverine was only stopped from *killing* him because Mariko told him so? Or when Wolverine beat Mariko's father as well (can't remember his name). So, I see this as.... 1. Batman 2. Wolvie 3. Cap Wolverine gets above Cap due to his healing factor which will let him take more damage, but then Batman will beat him in H-2-H.
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Wolverine's advantages over Captain America are his skeleton & healing factor. In no way is he on par with Cap or Batman. Even you admit Wolverine had trouble with an old man (Mariko's father). Wolverine is an excellent fighter but not anywhere near the top 10 in Marvel. Captain America's super-soldier formula makes him Batman's superior. Batman however is the better fighter. Wolvie has only managed to beat Cap after Cap was injured from a previous battle. Cap beat a fresh Wolverine straight up."

"Nowhere near the top 10 in Marvel" That is biggest load of crap I have ever read, he is at the very least top 3. Take a look at his fights with Captain America, you will see that if anything Wolverine is portrayed more as the victor than Captain. Also I said this in another thread, checkout Marveldatabase.com if you want to see what Marvel thinks about Wolverine's hand to hand combat skill. Marvel says that "alongside" Captain America and Taskmaster, Wolverine is considered one of the finest combatants on earth. "

If that were true, why was he schooled by Iron Fist & Ogun? Why does Daredevil escape battles with the Hand with only minor injuries, while Wolverine sustains injuries that would kill a normal person many times over? Because Wolverine's not as good a fighter as those guys. He is very good. But not in their class."

Because Daredevil is smarter and has more awareness in battle.If you knew almost no one could kill you in hand to hand,you would have no reason to block.

Vance Astro says:

"DEATHSTROKE WINS."

DEATHSTROKE WINS.

possibly lol.

POHOCOM says:

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"zee crusher says:

"Woverine is. Besides that i don't think deathstroke actually has anything that would take out wolverine unless he wants to take himself out even then it still wouldn't work. Also wwh did beat wolverine yeah but if he got a hold of deathstroke don't you think it would have been alot worse???"

No,because Deathstroke isn't dumb enough to take Hulk head on."

Your right deathstroke will throw grenades and shot guns at hulk in hopes of peircing his durable skin which only adamntium bullets would do. That makes no sense the reason wolverine tried to go close up was because that was the only way he would winobviously and he by accident got caught just by accident deathstroke has lost to the heros unless he was so smart he did it on purpose???"

What makes sense is.If D-Stroke saw he couldn't phase Hulk he wouldn't put his self in a position to get the sh!t beat out of him.He would go back and devise a plan.Wolverine took him head on because he's an animal.All he knows is fighting and instincts.He's in no y a tactician.Deathstroke may have lost to heroes but none weaker than Wolverine."

Yes he has your just making things up as you go along now wolverine has fought others like the juggernaut Thor captian america thanos galactus even tell me when yo have seen deathstroke take on any of those types of people??? If you actually paid attention to wolverine while he was out all theses years he doesn't carry guns and has claws when you have claws you have to come close to hit some one i don't know if you haven't noticed tha yet but thats how you use them. Deathstrokes weapons may work on wolverine but its not gonna hurt hulk or juggernaut."

I'm not making things up as I go along because I didn't say anything false. -Wolverine never beat Juggernaut and he can't,He can't beat Thor and I don't remeber him beating Cap either.I'm almost positive he never fought Thanos or Galactus because he would have died. -Deatstroke beat 2 Green Lanterns.Both more powerful than anyone Wolverine's beaten. -Who the f#ck said Wolverine carried guns..Oh wait he did before.Shows how much you know about Wolverine. -Deathstroke is smart enough to know how to use his weapons."

Actually Wolverine can beat Captain America, All 3 fights I have seen Captain America vs. Wolverine in the comics, Wolverine always ends up on top. I have yet to see Captain America pull out a win vs. Wolverine."

All my other points are valid though."

I thought Cap beat Wolverine the one time they fought on equal terms. Wolverine surrendered to him. The other "rounds" Wolverine fought after he was healed, against a badly injured Captain America."

I honestly don't remember.