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#1 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
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#2 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler said:

I totally agree with this.

That said, nothing I liked about Jubilee had anything to do with her original powers, which were kind of boring (and frankly far less interesting than any X-man before her).

At least being a vampire gives her something none of the other X-men have; honestly I don't even see why people have a problem with it.

What I liked about Jubilee wasn't her powers but those powers did make her unique. It was like when Brian Reed decided to take the carapace away from Arana and then later she became Spider-Girl.Her powers were incredibly basic superhuman physical ability. I liked her as a character aside from the carapace but it was a unique feature of the character. Jubilee's powers may seem boring but I find most powers boring and there are few exceptions. Cyclops, Storm, Armor, Gambit, Rogue, Legion, Scarlet Witch, Magneto, Darwin, & Husk are the only X-men I think have powers that are as interesting as they are or their powers add to how interesting I find them. Being a vampire makes her different from other mutants because she's not one but it's not a powerset in the Marvel Universe that's only unique to her, there are tons of vampires. Her name is JUBILATION LEE for god's sake. She's stuck with one of the most unimaginative and ridiculous names in comic history just to make some association to what her powers are but she's a vampire? Don't like it!

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#3 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@flavalon said:

I agree with you, but I prefer neither none of them to be as a vampire. Jubilee need to hurry up and change back to mutant because this is getting irritated.

In the normal continuity I agree. Earth-616 Storm shouldn't be a Vampire but "Bloodstorm" is a cool alternate universe version of Storm. As far as Jubilee goes I don't think being a vampire adds any coolness or edge to Jubilee's character. She's a product of the 90's, she's edgy enough. I think having her be a mother adds more to her character than Vampirism did.

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#4 Edited by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderbolt30 said:

@vance_astro said:

Did Jubilee get her powers back because if not I would rather her be replaced than any members simply added.

I found this odd when I saw the preview. Either the artist made a mistake or yeah, it looks like they may be giving her powers back...? I think it would be great if she got them back and retained her vampire abilities.

I just want her to be a regular mutant again. Storm is the only mutant I liked as a Vampire.

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#5 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@angel2dan said:

thanos tossed around the avengers this battle wont be a problem

Sentry or Blue Marvel would "toss around" the Avengers as well.

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#6 Edited by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@mezame said:

was it ever stated that sentry can only beat void because he created it? i don't remember ever reading such a statement and are you sure that yelena developed her own void? i remember jenkins and bendis stating that void was created by sentrys schizophrenia, which would then mean that yelena was schizophrenic as well =P looked more like a mind attack to me in that encounter

to me the planet busting in the genis vell fight looked like actual planet busting...... the narration said that the power they were releasing was great enough to destroy planets and that they were still holding back and not that the power could have destroyed planets if.... you know what i mean? sentry said that he wouldn't want to fight genis, because that could have destroyed earth and genis basically confirmed it by saying they wouldn't fight on earth

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whats even more impressive is that you can see the energy expanding to a point, where it can be seen outside of the microverse

The Void wasn't created by Sentry's schizophrenia. In fact Mastermind technically created the Void when he made Sentry afraid to use his own powers. The Void is a manifestation of the Sentry's fear of himself. Sentry isn't in control of the Void and he never has been so implanting a vision of the Void into the Adaptoid's mind wouldn't make any sense nor would any of the dialogue, Sentry also never uses telepathy so why would he only decide to then? If that vision of the Void was a product of Sentry's telepathy then why would he explaining to her what HE has to do in order to suppress the The Void, and why would the Void be saying "If you've become the Sentry then you must also become the Void"? It would make more sense that because she stole his powers she was developing her own Void and her inability to contain it is what destroyed her.

Nowhere has it been stated that Sentry is the only one who CAN beat the Void but he's the only one who HAS. Everyone else has been completely trashed with little effort. If not for the fact it shares a body with Robert Reynolds & The Sentry there would be no Avengers because the Void would have killed them all. There's a reason that Sentry isn't the only being afraid of it.

In the fight between Sentry & Photon the only thing that seems to get destroyed is a mesa. I wasn't disagreeing that Sentry was a planet buster though. I just don't think that makes him more powerful than the Void.

@beautifulrevery said:

1. I normally view battles as involving the character stated as opposed to various iterations of the character unless otherwise stated that they can become those other iterations. I.e. Thor can't use feats as RKT, KT, or OKT w/Necro Sword. Or someone using feats from Spock in a vanilla Spider Man thread.

2. I was meant to address Sentry's power level with the comment on mental instability as opposed to his almost nonexistent vulnerability to telepathy. The reference to telepathy was meant to be a question as to whether blue marvel had any resistance to it as opposed to Sentry. I can validate this by showing you the immediate next statement in my previous post:

@beautifulrevery said:

@vance_astro: that's void though which is an entirely different ball game to sentry even though they come from the same character. Their power levels are vastly different in each iteration. Sentry as he's consistently portrayed has no chance at beating thanos because of his psychological issues. Let's not forget that thanos has telepathy. I'm not sure if blue marvel has any resistance but if he doesn't this turns into a one one scenario that sentry loses 10/10 times. If BM is still in it I still see thanos taking 7-8/10 battles depending on sentrys mental state

3. Then we're in agreement on this point.

@mezame: As I addressed earlier I never meant to imply that Thanos was going to or able to use telepathy on Sentry. I meant to only reference his power level in regards to his mental stability. The telepathy reference was meant for Blue Marvel whom I don't know much about and as such I wanted to see if anyone knew whether or not he had any resistance to telepathy because if he did not than Thanos can easily dispatch him making this a 1v1 battle which he can win 10/10 times as opposed to a large majority when facing the 2 of them together.

1.That's how you're supposed to be view battles but your Thor examples actually don't relate to Sentry becoming the Void. Those are power upgrades, The Void is simply a version of Sentry within the same host body. It's like if we are debating on Captain Marvel\Ms.Marvel and I bring up Binary. Now that we know that she becomes Binary if she absorbs massive amounts of energy, she could possibly use that in a battle forum setting without going outside of what's allowed.

2.I don't think Blue Marvel has any weakness telepathy but I also don't think telepathy will be effective or even used in this scenario. Two character of Sentry & Blue Marvel's stature giving Thanos everything they have, i've never seen telepathy used in that scenario. Getting punched in the face repeatedly seems to force alternative attack methods.

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#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@mezame said:

@beautifulrevery: @vance_astro: i agree with vance astro that the sentry is immune against telepathy........ he has never been mind controlled or forced to do something via telepathy.......... illusions are a problem though, because they affected him on multiple occasions, but since thanos can't create illusions it shouldn't even matter......... i think mastermind only managed to manipulate the sentry, because he was feeding his mind with illusions which then made the sentry erase everyones memories and it is still shocking to me how insane that feat was..... erasing the memories of humans, mutants and even animals

and aren't we at a point, where people accept the sentry being voids equal? didn't he beat him after all few times? i think that sentry even has the better feats........ he has actual planet busting feats, while void destroyed a planet only off panel or at least destroyed all life on that planet..... what speaks for the void are probably his tentacles, which seem to end fights much faster and also his greater lack of morals, but i don't think that he is more powerful than a sentry, who has his shit together.......

The Sentry is The Void's equal only in theory. The Sentry's power has no limits if he's mentally stable but only on rare occasions have we actually seen him stable. Everyday Sentry has the fight with the Void for control over the host and for his own sanity (which he stated against Yelena Belova\The Adaptoid when she took his powers and developed her own version of the Void).

As far as I know Sentry has never destroyed a planet on panel it was only stated that he could by Captain America when he was fighting Genis-Vell and I believe in fact that was the reason that Genis transported them to the microverse because then Sentry could let loose without destroying the inhabitants of any important worlds. I don't think Sentry has better feats than the Void either, The Void seemingly can only be defeated by Robert Reynolds\Sentry himself because he created it. Even in Siege it allowed itself to be defeated (According to Brian Michael Bendis).

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#8 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery said:

1. Sentry is in this fight. Not void so that's pretty much a moot point imo.

It's not a moot point because there is nothing restricting the Void from taking over the host in this case. The title says Sentry but the OP doesn't restrict the Void's appearance in any way.

2. I wasn't trying to say anyone would use telepathy on Sentry who I know is pretty much immune until proven otherwise due to his own powerful telepathy. What I was trying to say is that Thanos could use his telepathy on Blue Marvel and make it a 1v1 situation which I think we can all agree that Sentry at standard power levels is going to win 10/10 times, no questions asked. Now if Blue Marvel is immune which I've never heard or read anything to contradict my previous statement that he has almost no defense towards it then it becomes a 2v1 situation which while difficult I think Thanos could definitely pull a steep majority.

You said....

Sentry as he's consistently portrayed has no chance at beating thanos because of his psychological issues. Let's not forget that thanos has telepathy.

Your wording made it seem as if you thought Thanos' telepathy would actually be a factor against Sentry. At any rate I've never seen a telepath use their abilities against characters in a combat situation like this, so I would say it's either out of character or they can't do it.

I think we can all agree that Sentry at standard power levels is going to win 10/10 times, no questions asked. Now if Blue Marvel is immune which I've never heard or read anything to contradict my previous statement that he has almost no defense towards it then it becomes a 2v1 situation which while difficult I think Thanos could definitely pull a steep majority.

Yea, I don't disagree with this but this is why I bypassed Sentry entirely in my explanation. Any appearance of the Void is the only chance this team has.

3. I don't believe either one of these combatants could beat Thanos on their own. I hold Thanos in a low skyfather tier of power in relation to the Marvel Universe if that makes sense. Thanos is essentially beating anyone Herald level and below unless they have some hax ability or are specifically made to kill him(i.e. Drax the Destroyer) otherwise almost anyone has no chance unless some extraordinary amount of prep is involved and they are Doom/Richards tier when it comes to that. Otherwise you'd need a Skyfather or someone at essentially his level to either stomp him or eek out some victories. And that's when he's not subject to PIS and his powers are displayed consistently. I mean in Thanos(the comic) he beat and tanked a pissed off beyonder(in a different,slightly weakened, slightly insane) form's attack and lived to tell about it(I'm not sure but I believe this was when he was a cosmic cube? Around 2003-2004 but I may be wrong if someone would like to correct me. I can post scans from that if you'd like) and proceeded to beat her/him at a later date in the same series.

Hopefully I've explained myself better than I did previously. If I didn't, I apologize and I'll try again tomorrow when I'm well rested.

I read part of your post wrong. I thought you were saying that if Thanos fought just Sentry the odds would be 10\10 over Sentry but 7-8\10 if it was just Thanos vs. Blue Marvel. I don't think either of them could beat him solo but I think he would win the majority over them with no outside variables or plot devices.

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#9 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

So Amalgam?

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#10 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery said:

@vance_astro: that's void though which is an entirely different ball game to sentry even though they come from the same character. Their power levels are vastly different in each iteration. Sentry as he's consistently portrayed has no chance at beating thanos because of his psychological issues. Let's not forget that thanos has telepathy. I'm not sure if blue marvel has any resistance but if he doesn't this turns into a one one scenario that sentry loses 10/10 times. If BM is still in it I still see thanos taking 7-8/10 battles depending on sentrys mental state

1.The Void can appear at any time the Sentry's psyche is too weak to control the host.
2.Have you ever seen anyone use telepathy on the Sentry? People think that because he has issues mentally that he's an easy target for telepaths but in fact Sentry himself is a powerful telepath. The only person I know that has been in Sentry's head is Emma Frost and it's because he allowed it. I think Marvel Boy of the Agents of Atlas tried to get in his head to and he ended up hurting himself.
3.Why would you think Blue Marvel has a better chance of beating Thanos than Sentry? Or why do you think he could beat Thanos at all?

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