Vance Astro's forum posts

#1 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords said:

So....... we're not going to see or hear any actual speed/durability feats from Carol, and will instead use the bandwagon fallacy for a quick lock? So be it, lol. Poor debating in this thread.

Actually I saw feats given for Carol and none from the other side.

#2 Edited by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@themetalgearzero said:

I thought this was Mary Jane Watson?

It would have gotten locked for mismatch :P

#3 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@dodirty said:

Still not the best Shooting Gaurds. you are forgetting Clyde, Reggie, Pistol Pete, and A.I. all better than D-Wade.

Actually none of those players are better than D.Wade. MAYBE Clyde but definitely not Reggie, Pistol Pete and ESPECIALLY NOT Allen Iverson.

#4 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@dodirty said:

Magic Himself compares Lebron to him. He said that he is one of the greatest passers of all time!

Magic also said that Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time despite what he himself has done and having played with several Hall of Famers. Magic has the same amount of Rings as Kobe but with more Finals MVPs more league MVPs and leading the league in steals & assists. Magic is one of the greatest passers of all time, Chris Paul is one of the greatest passers of all time, Steve Nash is one of the greatest passers of all time. Lebron doesn't fit in with them.

@dodirty said:

Mo Williams almost made the All Star team when Lebron was on the Cavs with him.

So did a bunch of other AVERAGE players.

#5 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@dodirty said:

That's exactly what making those around you better means. When they played with LBJ they were almost All-Stars, Mo Williams being the poster boy for that. When Bron left that went back to being trash. LeBron is a better passer than MJ, Bron is closer to being on Magic's Level.

Better means better. If someone made you a better player than you should be better regardless if they are there or not..that doesn't make any sense. Mo Williams is an average player at best. He was when he played with Lebron and he still is. Nothing is different. Lebron IS NOT a better passer than MJ and is blasphemy to compare him to Magic. Magic is a 4-time assist leader and averaged over 10 assists for his career. They aren't even kind of comparable in that department. The only comparison you can make is that for their size it's unheard of that they are that good at moving the ball. Jordan CAN average between 7 or 8 assists if he wanted to or the team needed that (and he has) but Jordan was a scorer..that was his function and he dominated that part of the game.

@dodirty said:

Jordan never had a winning season without Scottie Pippin. 1st year 38-44, 2nd year 30-52, and 3rd year 40-42. The Scottie Came and they went 50-32. Jordan left and they went 55-27. Jordan came back and they went 47-35. With The Wizards both years they went 37-55.

If this is supposed to have something to do with the "make the players around you theory", I don't believe in that any way so this would kind of prove MY point. And if this is an attempt to say that Lebron has one up on Jordan because he carried a team without another superstar, I'd saying you're underestimating how bad the Bulls were.

#6 Edited by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

Woah Woah Woah, I have several responses to this so grab a seat grandpa, first of all what did I just say? There is a difference between BETTER and GREATER. BETTER includes straight up game and your style of play. GREATER includes feats and achievements so I have no idea why you would bring up feats because I clearly said MJ is GREATER than Lebron... for now anyway, but Lebron has proven to be a far BETTER play overall, from passing to rebounding to defence (and yes Lebron is a better defender than Jordan)+

M.J. won DPOY award... M.J. is tied for the most defensive first team awards...

Lebron simply makes everyone around him better

M.J. did the same thing.

. MJ was a far more consistent 3 point shooter so I have no idea why you said Lebron is better 3 point shooter

WTF are you talking about. M.J. didn't develop a three point shot till his second three peat. And even then he didn't shoot many. He shot 50 for the whole year of the first year of the three peat, and shot around 200 for the rest.

, but Lebron is a far better passer

Their passing skills are the same but M.J. had flashier passes. If you meant a better play maker, All LBJ does is drive and dish out, M.J. did that too.

, rebounder,


he's better in the post

Lebron has little to none of a post game. He has no footwork (Why he travels a lot for a superstar) M.J. thrived in the mid and post game during his championship run.

, and all around defeneder consdiering he's the favorite to win defensive player of the year and multiple defensive first teams NBA

LOL read above... M.J. is tied for the most, and has won the DPOY award.

. Everyone in the NBA flops, EVERYONE, Lebron just gets most of the attention for it because he's Lebron James.

No, Lebron get blasted because he flops like a fish after a point guard runs into him. He acts like he gets hit, after the replay shows the elbow doesn't even touch him. Everyone draws fouls you mean. Not everyone flops. There is a difference. LBJ even has a compilation of flops. And it is very unsportsmanlike to play like that.

Anything else needed to be debunked?

I just want to address the some things. Jordan & Lebron play two different positions. Lebron isn't a better passer than Jordan he's just a different type of player. He has a different mentality. Lebron passed MORE than Jordan did. MJ is a SHOOTING GUARD, his job isn't to get people open, it's to score. That's REALLY not Lebron's job either but that's how he chooses to play. I also think Lebron making players better is a myth. There isn't one player that was average or not very good who was better after having played with Lebron. Most of that Cavs team he played with on his first run we're trash and they still are. Anderson Verajao is the only one who turned out to be good and I don't think that had anything to do with Lebron.

#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@kasino said:

but Shaq has a chance. one of the highest FG% in history

That's only because he's a center. MOST centers have high FG% because they mostly score in the post. A good center isn't going to miss...right under the basket.

#8 Edited by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

I go with Jordan. Remember that unlike Shaq, Jordan was defensive player of the year. Yea Shaq is strong enough to back Jordan down and he has great post moves but remember that 1-on-1, Shaq has to get to the post first and unless he travels or double dribbles ever time he has to put the ball down. Shaq isn't a ball handler so Jordan has a shot at getting steals. When you reverse it, Shaq would be completely incapable of guarding Jordan. Jordan shoots at one of the best percentages we've ever seen. He's faster, and can score from just about anywhere.

#9 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@darling_luna said:

@vance_astro: I don't read much daredevil so that might be a factor, I don't love it nor do I hate it

Oh ok.

#10 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

@testament said:

Alright bro. Thanks for savin me some money. I owe ya big time

No problem.

I happen to like it

But what do I know

What did you like about it?