@vance_astro: Ohh so you say Cap can beat Spiderman who has basiclly Super Strength punched Wolverine and K.Oed him something cap could barely do to Hitler Cap try to throws his shield Spidy Sense kicks in he dodges use his webs to takes his shield easy
@vance_astro: Spiderman Stomps Cap for the Fact Cap without his Shield is nothing to Spiderman Even seen Cap Fight with out his shield cause when Captain America Throws his might Shield Bad Guy Must Yield Captain America Throws his mighty oh no Spiderman took his shield
Oh and BTW (which I almost forgot to mention), Marvel is taking out the villains and use heroes vs heroes only because they know villains are more interesting then heroes. So they just wanted us to focused on the heroes characterization imo.
There's actually way more villains than X-Men or Avengers
Really? Then where the hell are they? Can you tell me since you're so quite sure about it. If so, then, where is Mr Sinister, Apocalypse, Hellions, COTV, MLF, Exodus, Hellfire Club, Acolytes (finally Magneto is recreating them once again), Dark Riders, Nasty Boys, Savage Land Mutates, Brotherhood of Evil, Ani-Men, Marauders (finally they seem to come back under Magneto's followers), SublimeCorp, Reavers well, you mention it. I believe they're either dead, depowered, or forgotten.
I was more thinking about Avengers villains and villains of individual characters when I said this but there is no shortage of villains for the X-Men or anyone else in the Marvel Universe. It would take too long to break down where all of these characters are but if you look their bios up you will see that many of them have had fairly recent appearances or revamps. Apocalypse for instance just had a story arc in Uncanny Avengers which is a Marvel NOW title.
and I don't think these characters are "fighting each other"
Really? This is what it look like. X Men = Villains vs Avengers = Heroes. Oh I believe they were fighting each other.
because the villains aren't good enough
Well, I thought most of those I mentioned above me are pretty much good combatant.
You took this part out of context, I was saying that I don't think the Avengers & X-Men are fighting each other because their villains aren't good enough to be more of their focus. Several of Marvel's events have been centered around a powerful villain or group of villains. Civil War, Initiative, House of M, & Avengers vs. X-Men so far have been the only exceptions. That leaves Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Siege, Fear Itself, Age of Ultron, Infinity, Annihilation, and now Original Sin.
Exactly my point here. There isn't enough Villains. Have you? Have you been paying attention?
the villains have been doing a very good job of what they've been created for.
You mean like Emma, Magneto, Frenzy, etc? Of course and not much of them are doing good
Yes, I have been paying attention to everything NOT just X-Men. The entire Marvel Universe has been getting torn apart by villains for the last decade. Whole teams have been not just disassembled but destroyed. For there to be new Alpha Flight issues, Marvel had to figure out how to bring over half that team back from the dead. Several members of the X-Men have died in that time as well as the Avengers. Marvel's villains are doing exactly what they were created for.
I guess we're only settling for heroes fighting heroes because that's the cycle that Marvel's events work on.
No. It's because there isn't enough villains at all and Marvel killed most of them and wiped them out of the panel.
Let's pretend for a second this is true. So what you're telling me is out of all the books on the shelf..all superheroes are doing in the Marvel Universe is fighting each other? So the Guardians of the Galaxy, Rocket Raccoon, The X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Wolverine, The Thunderbolts, Thor, Iron Man, etc. all they are doing is fighting other heroes? Or are you saying that heroes are only fighting each other in events because they don't have enough villains? Civil War & Avengers vs. X-Men are the only events that are truly centered around heroes fighting each other and they've done an event ever year since '06. That's not even including all of the events specific to certain teams and solo heroes that were centered completely around villains or a non-heroes vs. heroes conflict.
The X-men is Marvel's biggest property aside from Spider-Man & The Avengers. I don't know how they are being treated poorly or under-promoted.
They have been treated poorly lately and this is right in front of our eyes.
I JUST don't seem to see enough villains lately. I really would like to see more villains vs heroes because this is what Marvel is all about. If there's no villains, then there's no heroes. And since there isn't no villains (or enough), so they have to introduce heroes vs heroes and only one team have to look more villain, which I thought it was the X Men. Shame Marvel shame.
You didn't explain how Marvel is mistreating the X-Men, you just said the opposite of what I said and then went on talking about how there is a lack of villains.
Bronze Tiger is more skilled and physically superior.He wins.
Sorry if you've changed your mind in the 5 years since you made that comment but I'm curious about this matchup so may I ask why you think so? Bronze Tigers good feats that I know of are stalemating Batman and Deathstroke, which doesn't nessecarily put him above Matt.