What More Can Marvel Do for Daredevil?

      

Daredevil's solo title is no stranger to Eisner Awards and critical acclaim. As of late it seems though that he isn't making the same impact on the Marvel Universe that he used to. The question now becomes, with Marvel NOW should he be appearing in more books? He has his own solo titled and a miniseries that just started but is that enough? Marvel has been doing events since Disassembled and Daredevil hasn't had much of a role in most of them and I think his lack of  exposure  is hurting the character immensely. Is it possible to  expand  the market and the amount and type of people who are  exposed  to Daredevil without taking away what's unique about him? His books are obviously written well, how can Marvel get more people to read?
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Edited by daredevil21134

@Vance Astro said:

Daredevil's solo title is no stranger to Eisner Awards and critical acclaim. As of late it seems though that he isn't making the same impact on the Marvel Universe that he used to. The question now becomes, with Marvel NOW should he be appearing in more books? He has his own solo titled and a miniseries that just started but is that enough? Marvel has been doing events since Disassembled and Daredevil hasn't had much of a role in most of them and I think his lack of exposure is hurting the character immensely. Is it possible to expand the market and the amount and type of people who are exposed to Daredevil without taking away what's unique about him? His books are obviously written well, how can Marvel get more people to read?

I think he could handle another ongoing title.I also think they should bring back the Marvel Knights(team) and have him featured in that heavily.A character that has had the success as DD has had should be a lot bigger than he is.I think with Marvel getting his rights back they might start featuring him in other forms of media which will help his popularity.He will also be appearing in X-men 39 to team up with Domino in December so that's another appearance.I think he gets left out of big events because his powers and weapons aren't as flashy as some of the other characters in the Marvel universe.But since everybody's costume is changing in Marvel Now I wouldn't mind an upgrade of costume like they did back in the 90's.

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Edited by Vance Astro

I thought about the whole Marvel Knights thing but he's also an Avenger, you think they should still have him on the New Avengers but also on the Marvel Knights?

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Posted by guardiandevil

@Vance Astro: I think it could be possible to have the Marvel Knights title, Moon Knight was recently a Secret Avenger and he is just plain crazy. I've usually looked at DD at more of a solo character doing team-ups with closer heroes (spider-man, iron fist, Cage, etc), but now that he is currently an Avenger it is possible he will be featured more prominently in events: I remember seeing him in AVX. I extremely happy with the end of days mini-series that just started, its a great book!

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@guardiandevil said:

@Vance Astro: I think it could be possible to have the Marvel Knights title, Moon Knight was recently a Secret Avenger and he is just plain crazy. I've usually looked at DD at more of a solo character doing team-ups with closer heroes (spider-man, iron fist, Cage, etc), but now that he is currently an Avenger it is possible he will be featured more prominently in events: I remember seeing him in AVX. I extremely happy with the end of days mini-series that just started, its a great book!

I think all the Marvel Knights could use a boost (Shang Chi,Iron Fist,Cloak & Dagger,Elektra etc.). I just think these events were a huge disservice to any street leveler that wasn't an Avenger or didn't have a meaningful role in the events.
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Posted by guardiandevil

@Vance Astro: I agree, even though most didn't enjoy the Shadowland event... I really like the concept of the street heroes having their own internal event that would have serious consequences. Hopefully more events like this (with better quality) will be announced.

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@guardiandevil said:

@Vance Astro: I agree, even though most didn't enjoy the Shadowland event... I really like the concept of the street heroes having their own internal event that would have serious consequences. Hopefully more events like this (with better quality) will be announced.

I agree. Shadowland seemed like a really good idea that was poorly executed.
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Posted by daredevil21134

@Vance Astro said:

I thought about the whole Marvel Knights thing but he's also an Avenger, you think they should still have him on the New Avengers but also on the Marvel Knights?

He might not be an Avenger anymore in Marvel Now.It looks like the whole roster is changing.I would like to see him on the main Avengers roster if he does stay on the Avengers though

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@daredevil21134 said:

@Vance Astro said:

I thought about the whole Marvel Knights thing but he's also an Avenger, you think they should still have him on the New Avengers but also on the Marvel Knights?

He might not be an Avenger anymore in Marvel Now.It looks like the whole roster is changing.I would like to see him on the main Avengers roster if he does stay on the Avengers though

It appears Falcon will be a member again. Probably because he'll be appearing in Captain America 2, which sucks because Daredevil is definitely more deserving of a spot than he is. But this is HIckman's Avengers so maybe he'll get some use out of him.
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Posted by TDK_1997

I think that Marvel have forgotten how interesting character he is and that he is and should be a great part of the Universe.There can be done much more from him and I think he should really appear in more books.

Posted by Deranged Midget

I prefer him in his solo book. He works better alone and other characters should follow by example such as Spider-Man, Wolverine, etc.

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Edited by Vance Astro

So maybe, just stop doing events then? That way character that are already immensely popular aren't getting such a ridiculous amount of exposure. It's like Marvel isn't letting us decide what is most important to us anymore it's just AVENGER,AVENGERS,AVENGERS!

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Posted by Vance Astro
@TDK_1997 said:

I think that Marvel have forgotten how interesting character he is and that he is and should be a great part of the Universe.There can be done much more from him and I think he should really appear in more books.

I think he and Spider-Man should have another Team-Up miniseries.
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Posted by daredevil21134

@Vance Astro said:

@TDK_1997 said:

I think that Marvel have forgotten how interesting character he is and that he is and should be a great part of the Universe.There can be done much more from him and I think he should really appear in more books.

I think he and Spider-Man should have another Team-Up miniseries.

That could really help him.And it will also be a fun read

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Posted by IrishX
@Vance Astro:  Maybe he needs a morning cartoon to get kids interested in him. I've seen many people here say they were first introduced to Batman through his animated series. A new and better film would obviously help give him more exposure among people. As for the actual comic world that's a tough one. Not sure what Marvel can do to get people reading Daredevil other than continuing to give him quality writers and artists. Guess it's more up to people like us to let people know just how great a character he is and how great a comic series he has.
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@IrishX said:
@Vance Astro:  Maybe he needs a morning cartoon to get kids interested in him. I've seen many people here say they were first introduced to Batman through his animated series. A new and better film would obviously help give him more exposure among people. As for the actual comic world that's a tough one. Not sure what Marvel can do to get people reading Daredevil other than continuing to give him quality writers and artists. Guess it's more up to people like us to let people know just how great a character he is and how great a comic series he has.
Well that WOULD help, but what's the likelihood of that happening? Marvel will put out cartoons about the same characters over and over again. They never seem to change up. I mean how many Spider-Man series are we going to have? Iron Man? Hulk? The  X-Men? The Avengers? What about Captain America,Punisher,Daredevil,Ghost Rider,Thor?
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@Vance Astro:   Well, they could do a Spidey/Daredevil animated team-up series if that's what it takes I suppose. Picturing a Ghost Rider animated series put a smile on my face. I would like a solo Cap one as well. But you're right it's unlikely to happen.
Posted by Dhor

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

Posted by TheSwordsman

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Posted by daredevil21134

@Dhor said:

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

@TheSwordsman said:

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Agreed on both

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Posted by Vance Astro
@daredevil21134 said:

@Dhor said:

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

@TheSwordsman said:

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Agreed on both

Remember the DD Armor from v1? That was a pretty cool design.
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Posted by Vance Astro
@IrishX said:
@Vance Astro:   Well, they could do a Spidey/Daredevil animated team-up series if that's what it takes I suppose. Picturing a Ghost Rider animated series put a smile on my face. I would like a solo Cap one as well. But you're right it's unlikely to happen.
Or they could just do a Marvel Knights animated series since they love teams so much.
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Posted by daredevil21134

@Vance Astro said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@Dhor said:

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

@TheSwordsman said:

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Agreed on both

Remember the DD Armor from v1? That was a pretty cool design.

The one he wore in Daredevil Fall From Grace?Yeah I liked that

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Posted by IrishX
@Vance Astro said:
@IrishX said:
@Vance Astro:   Well, they could do a Spidey/Daredevil animated team-up series if that's what it takes I suppose. Picturing a Ghost Rider animated series put a smile on my face. I would like a solo Cap one as well. But you're right it's unlikely to happen.
Or they could just do a Marvel Knights animated series since they love teams so much.
I like that idea for sure. Get others some much needed exposure as well.
 
Also a big NO from me on the costume change ideas. It's perfect just the way it is. 
Posted by Vance Astro
@daredevil21134 said:

The one he wore in Daredevil Fall From Grace?Yeah I liked that

Yea! 
 
@IrishX said:
Also a big NO from me on the costume change ideas. It's perfect just the way it is. 
I'd be cool with a redesign..A good one, but actually his costume is fine as it is.
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Posted by Superguy0009e

Put him on a team and see how it goes from there.

Posted by Deranged Midget

@Vance Astro said:

So maybe, just stop doing events then? That way character that are already immensely popular aren't getting such a ridiculous amount of exposure. It's like Marvel isn't letting us decide what is most important to us anymore it's just AVENGER,AVENGERS,AVENGERS!

Heh, I can see what you're getting at. I prefer having each character almost centred in their own universe with almost no contact with other heroes except for some slight guest appearances and team-ups to please fans every now and then.

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Posted by daredevil21134

@Vance Astro said:

@daredevil21134 said:

The one he wore in Daredevil Fall From Grace?Yeah I liked that

Yea!

@IrishX said:
Also a big NO from me on the costume change ideas. It's perfect just the way it is.
I'd be cool with a redesign..A good one, but actually his costume is fine as it is.

I love his current costume too but I wouldn't mind if they made some modifications to his billy club.Kinda add some gadgets to it like Stan Lee did back in the day

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Posted by Dhor

i would be preatty happy with a costume that made sence. Right now  the costume has no real function..

Posted by tupiaz

What is wrong with his classic red costume? A lot people hated his costume from the 90's (I found pretty cool), I don't see the need for a new costume nor do I think it will boost the sales.

Posted by G_Money_Christmas

To be completely honest, I never gave two sh*ts about Daredevil but in the two most recent X-Men books he was in them with Domino and that made me really look into the character. I just bought 18-20 on Waid's run and I plan on continuing with it monthly. I'm also trying to get a couple graphic novels. I'm sorry that I never gave him a chance but I'm glad I finally have.

Posted by tupiaz

I guess this means Daredevil should be in other comics outside his own universe/normal alias. I thought most people knew him and didn't needed an introduction.

Posted by Vance Astro
@tupiaz said:

I guess this means Daredevil should be in other comics outside his own universe/normal alias. I thought most people knew him and didn't needed an introduction.

He doesn't need an introduction he needs more exposure. Someone sent me a PM yesterday asking what Daredevil was doing in Marvel NOW. People don't know what's going on with the character.
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Posted by tupiaz

@Vance Astro: Exposure/introduction. In this case it is real the same thing. i thought most people how read comics new who he was I just didn't bother too much. We do agree that he doesn't get much attention from Marvel neither in brandy/hyping nor in getting much exposure in other comics so people can get introduced to him as a character. I know there is several fan sites (a good ones) who does much for hyping the character but in general just taugth he was underrated/dislike. It seems more like many have misunderstood the character and haven't done their research. Anyway some of the charm of the character is that he isn't that popular.

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@tupiaz said:

@Vance Astro: Exposure/introduction. In this case it is real the same thing. i thought most people how read comics new who he was I just didn't bother too much. We do agree that he doesn't get much attention from Marvel neither in brandy/hyping nor in getting much exposure in other comics so people can get introduced to him as a character. I know there is several fan sites (a good ones) who does much for hyping the character but in general just taugth he was underrated/dislike. It seems more like many have misunderstood the character and haven't done their research. Anyway some of the charm of the character is that he isn't that popular.

I don't think it's the same in this case. People DO know who Daredevil is but judging by the massive decline in sales it would appear that Daredevil lost readers\fans. The problem wasn't that character was just never that popular, the problem was Marvel stopped letting characters stand on their own and lumped them all into teams and that's where they put all of their emphasis and attention. The most important Avengers and X-Men get all the attention and everyone else has faded into obscurity. Some people probably don't even know Daredevil still even has an ongoing.
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Posted by tupiaz

Well I don't real see how Daredevil should be part of a team. Unless you made a team of street level heroes (heroes for hire seems to be against Matt's believe he does a lot of charity with his law firm and don't seem like the character that want to sell his super powers). I wasn't aware the sales where declining I taught they have been steady since the Bendis era? Do you have a link? It would surprise that comic book readers don't know Daredevil has an ongoing especially know when End of Days it out (which has got some notice because of the team behind it. Should be hyped a lot more though), I don't real see the need for a second book unless you made something different. For instance focus on Matt as a Lawyer and only had the book tells stories that was court centric (Daredevil could still appear in it for instance checking up on witness or getting evidence). However it would be a lot less super villain orientated).

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@tupiaz said:

Well I don't real see how Daredevil should be part of a team. Unless you made a team of street level heroes (heroes for hire seems to be against Matt's believe he does a lot of charity with his law firm and don't seem like the character that want to sell his super powers). I wasn't aware the sales where declining I taught they have been steady since the Bendis era? Do you have a link? It would surprise that comic book readers don't know Daredevil has an ongoing especially know when End of Days it out (which has got some notice because of the team behind it. Should be hyped a lot more though), I don't real see the need for a second book unless you made something different. For instance focus on Matt as a Lawyer and only had the book tells stories that was court centric (Daredevil could still appear in it for instance checking up on witness or getting evidence). However it would be a lot less super villain orientated).

Actually he was part of a team when I made this thread, he was a New Avenger. The team was mostly street levelers save for Strange,Ms.Marvel & Thing. His sales weren't steady since Bendis, I don't have a link..I went to comichron and looked up the numbers for each month myself and matched them to the release dates. Daredevil's ongoing and End of Days are getting overshadowed by Marvel NOW. We know that the book is still going because we're fans but other readers may not know what's going on. They should have held End of Days until Marvel NOW was launched. DD isn't any part of their promos. 
 
Here's a link to comichron. CV has the release dates in their database if you look up Daredevil Vol.2 
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html
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Posted by tupiaz

Yeah. sadly End of days released on a weird time without fanfare. Hopefully the trade will be a hit. Didn't know about New Avengers has just recently got back into comics.

Posted by daredevil21134

Marvel Knights should come back

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Posted by Vance Astro
@daredevil21134 said:

Marvel Knights should come back

Indeed.
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Posted by tupiaz

How many could be in that universe with a regular ongoing besides Daredevil. Punisher never real have an ongoing it keeps coming and going down not real steady. Don't think it is likely that you would bring in FF or spider-man into the marvel knights again. Heroes for hire (even though I haven't read it, seems like the only other comic you could put in that "universe" (imprint) besides Daredevil. Therefore there is really no need for it as I see it.

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@tupiaz said:

How many could be in that universe with a regular ongoing besides Daredevil. Punisher never real have an ongoing it keeps coming and going down not real steady. Don't think it is likely that you would bring in FF or spider-man into the marvel knights again. Heroes for hire (even though I haven't read it, seems like the only other comic you could put in that "universe" (imprint) besides Daredevil. Therefore there is really no need for it as I see it.

It wasn't it's own universe. The Marvel Knights were a team and half the members didn't have their own ongoing.
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Posted by tupiaz

@Vance Astro: I thought we were talking about the Marvel Knights imprint. I wrote "universe" since it had is own style and didn't had too much to do with the mainstream universe even though they were a part of it.

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@tupiaz said:

@Vance Astro: I thought we were talking about the Marvel Knights imprint. I wrote "universe" since it had is own style and didn't had too much to do with the mainstream universe even though they were a part of it.

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Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26

I think a TV series might spark up more interest.

Posted by Zyrok

@daredevil21134 said:

@Dhor said:

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

@TheSwordsman said:

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Agreed on both

Why? Really... The only time that DD has gone through a redesign, it looked HORRIBLE. His suit is simple, classic and memorable. I disagree heavilly with this.

I'll my 2 cents. Please, please, please, keep DD out of the events. I HATE having to read something that is shoehorned into a character, and Daredevil being part of an event would definitely be like so for me.

Really, I don't like company wide events at all, I think that they just delay or wreck the storylines that the writer is trying to tell.

Posted by TheSwordsman

@Zyrok said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@Dhor said:

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

@TheSwordsman said:

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Agreed on both

Why? Really... The only time that DD has gone through a redesign, it looked HORRIBLE. His suit is simple, classic and memorable. I disagree heavilly with this.

Because to me his costume is boring. I of course mean a good redesign and not a horrible one.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. With that stated I care not whether you disagree heavily or disagree at all really.

Posted by tupiaz

@TheSwordsman said:

@Zyrok said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@Dhor said:

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

@TheSwordsman said:

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Agreed on both

Why? Really... The only time that DD has gone through a redesign, it looked HORRIBLE. His suit is simple, classic and memorable. I disagree heavilly with this.

Because to me his costume is boring. I of course mean a good redesign and not a horrible one.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. With that stated I care not whether you disagree heavily or disagree at all really.

How is it boring. Like Zyrok said it is simple and classic and most important of all it gives a clear idea and symbol of what DD is all about.. Also it real destroys the discussion when you close it down by saying you don't care on other people. Of cause you a aloud to have your opinion but it breaks the discussion before it starts. If you gave a better reason other than it is boring for instance: Why is it boring? What do you want in stead? And so on could give more to the subject.

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@tupiaz said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@Zyrok said:

@daredevil21134 said:

@Dhor said:

this would be THE PERFECT TIME for a new costume. he`s a pretty solid character but he defenitlly need a better costume

@TheSwordsman said:

Daredevil really needs a costume re-design.

Agreed on both

Why? Really... The only time that DD has gone through a redesign, it looked HORRIBLE. His suit is simple, classic and memorable. I disagree heavilly with this.

Because to me his costume is boring. I of course mean a good redesign and not a horrible one.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. With that stated I care not whether you disagree heavily or disagree at all really.

How is it boring. Like Zyrok said it is simple and classic and most important of all it gives a clear idea and symbol of what DD is all about.. Also it real destroys the discussion when you close it down by saying you don't care on other people. Of cause you a aloud to have your opinion but it breaks the discussion before it starts. If you gave a better reason other than it is boring for instance: Why is it boring? What do you want in stead? And so on could give more to the subject.

It is boring to me. If it is not boring to you then good. I don't like it. I am glad it destroys the discussion I am not interested in a protracted discussion about a costume that you like and i don't like. It's pointless. People have different tastes and opinions.

Posted by tupiaz

@TheSwordsman: If you don't want to explain your opinion then don't post it. It is pointless. It is fine to have a different taste and opinion doesn't mean you can discus/talk about the subject.

Posted by TheSwordsman

@tupiaz said:

@TheSwordsman: If you don't want to explain your opinion then don't post it. It is pointless. It is fine to have a different taste and opinion doesn't mean you can discus/talk about the subject.

First of all i will post what I want. Second of all I have no interest in someone disagreeing with my opinion on a costume being boring and trying to convince me that it isn't. It is futile. People have different tastes. It's that simple. Nor am i interested in a long conversation about what I post and why. You cannot control anyone over the internet. It is an exercise in futility to even try. Post what you want and I shall do the same. Goodbye.

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