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Whenever there is a new event in Marvel I make one of these blogs to kind of give my opinions on what I think will happen during the event and here what other people have to say about it.It's more or less a prediction thread for people to get out their ideas about what they believe will happen based on what we've seen in the previous events.Here are the other ones....  
 
Dark Reign Theory Blog
http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/vance_astro/dark-reign-theory/87-37786/  
Dark Reign Theory Thread
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/dark-reign-theory/377769/?     
Skrull Theory\Secret Invasion Blog 
http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/vance_astro/skrull-thoery/87-29858/  
 
So now I will make my first predictions. 
 
Dark Avengers 
A.They will replace Ares.I think Ares will leave the team and join the Secret Warriors so he can be with his son.Plus Siege will go into Asgard and I don't think Ares wants to be against Thor. 
B.Thor vs. Sentry (World War Hulk style).I think there is going to be an instance that comes down to a showdown.None of the Dark Avengers can really take Thor.I think Norman will send Sentry at him and Thor will ultimately get the win but it will be an epic fight. 
 
New Avengers\Mighty Avengers\Avenger Resistance\Young Avengers 
A.The Avengers whom are beyond the law and aren't legally able to be Avengers will be one team.Cuts will be made. 
B.The Mighty & New Avengers will get new Rosters.
C.The Avengers Resistance which is essentially the New Warriors anyway...will just be the New Warriors. 
D.The Young Avengers will have the Vision as a member a new Member but also gain a new member.My guess would be Thor Girl.She's not going to work for Osborn.  
 
 
This is all I have so far.Anyone else got any input?
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@Vance Astro said:
" @Nobody said:
 Most the people appearing in it are not Asgardians. And Noh-Varr is already stated as appearing during Siege. "
I'm aware of that.The focus of the event is Asgard though.I know Noh-Varr will be in Siege but I doubt they will make such a huge move just to make him relevant during an event he may and should have a minimal role in. "
Just a guess. And it would give at least sort of a reason why someone like Beyonder, Mephisto,  or Thanos was chosen.
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@Vance Astro said:
" @Nobody said:
" None of the other choices are much better than Thanos though. "
Why can't it be Wanda or Nate? "
 
Nate just found out what happened in the MU in his absence. Civil War, Secret Invasion, and now Dark Reign. He isn't happy about it... 
 
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" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" @Nobody said:
" None of the other choices are much better than Thanos though. "
Nate or Mephisto would be cool in my book "
It won't be Nate. Norman had his Secret Weapon at the beginning of Dark Reign, and he didn't meet Nate till almost the end of it. Mephisto makes about as much sense as Thanos.
 
He hasn't seen Nate at all, yet, but I agree about the rest.
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Like I said, Thanos, Mephisto, Beyonder and Scarlet Witch makes the most sense. I don't think it is Mephisto due to Norman saying all I have done for you.

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@crimsonspider89 said:

" Like I said, Thanos, Mephisto, Beyonder and Scarlet Witch makes the most sense. I don't think it is Mephisto due to Norman saying all I have done for you. "

 1. Wanda: Loki has been running around as Wanda with the Mighty Avengers. Don't you think Norman would have done something about his Secret Weapon running around with the enemy?
2. Nate: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started.
3. Molecule Man: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started.
4. Odin: Already told Thor that  he was fine with staying dead, and knew Thor wouldn't bring him back. Why would he change his mind suddenly?
5. Mephisto: Possible.
6. Beyonder: Possible.
7. Thanos: Possible. 
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Loki did not know Norman had his secret weapon and was not surprised by it where Doom and Hood were. This implies it is not Mephisto, if it was Mephisto, even Loki would have been surprised. Beyonder, Thanos and Scarlet Witch are still the most likely. Anyway, who would suspect that the real Scarlet WItch was Norman's secret weapon after Loki impersonated her? Maybe this is how he knew she would not show up either.

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@Nobody said:
" @crimsonspider89 said:

" Like I said, Thanos, Mephisto, Beyonder and Scarlet Witch makes the most sense. I don't think it is Mephisto due to Norman saying all I have done for you. "

 1. Wanda: Loki has been running around as Wanda with the Mighty Avengers. Don't you think Norman would have done something about his Secret Weapon running around with the enemy? 2. Nate: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started. 3. Molecule Man: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started. 4. Odin: Already told Thor that  he was fine with staying dead, and knew Thor wouldn't bring him back. Why would he change his mind suddenly? 5. Mephisto: Possible. 6. Beyonder: Possible. 7. Thanos: Possible.  "
The shape of the figure didn't resemble Thanos at all, though. Even artistic interpretation has its limits.
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@crimsonspider89 said:
" Loki did not know Norman had his secret weapon and was not surprised by it where Doom and Hood were. This implies it is not Mephisto, if it was Mephisto, even Loki would have been surprised. Beyonder, Thanos and Scarlet Witch are still the most likely. Anyway, who would suspect that the real Scarlet WItch was Norman's secret weapon after Loki impersonated her? Maybe this is how he knew she would not show up either. "
Loki knew who Norman's secret weapon was. It was revealed in Dark Reign: The Cabal to him.
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@Nobody said:
" @crimsonspider89 said:

" Like I said, Thanos, Mephisto, Beyonder and Scarlet Witch makes the most sense. I don't think it is Mephisto due to Norman saying all I have done for you. "

 1. Wanda: Loki has been running around as Wanda with the Mighty Avengers. Don't you think Norman would have done something about his Secret Weapon running around with the enemy?
Wait,what? (I know Loki was Wanda in Mighty) what is this other stuff you're saying?  If Loki was pretending to be Wanda Norman could have been manipulating the real one..why not?
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@Vance Astro said:
" @Nobody said:
" @crimsonspider89 said:

" Like I said, Thanos, Mephisto, Beyonder and Scarlet Witch makes the most sense. I don't think it is Mephisto due to Norman saying all I have done for you. "

 1. Wanda: Loki has been running around as Wanda with the Mighty Avengers. Don't you think Norman would have done something about his Secret Weapon running around with the enemy?
Wait,what? (I know Loki was Wanda in Mighty) what is this other stuff you're saying?  If Loki was pretending to be Wanda Norman could have been manipulating the real one..why not? "
Norman would have know the whole time that it wasn't the real Scarlet Witch though, if that was his Secret Weapon. Also why would someone scream in fear of Wanda.
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@Morpheus_ said:
" @Nobody said:
" @crimsonspider89 said:

" Like I said, Thanos, Mephisto, Beyonder and Scarlet Witch makes the most sense. I don't think it is Mephisto due to Norman saying all I have done for you. "

 1. Wanda: Loki has been running around as Wanda with the Mighty Avengers. Don't you think Norman would have done something about his Secret Weapon running around with the enemy? 2. Nate: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started. 3. Molecule Man: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started. 4. Odin: Already told Thor that  he was fine with staying dead, and knew Thor wouldn't bring him back. Why would he change his mind suddenly? 5. Mephisto: Possible. 6. Beyonder: Possible. 7. Thanos: Possible.  "
The shape of the figure didn't resemble Thanos at all, though. Even artistic interpretation has its limits. "
It didn't look like Wanda either.
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Fine but then that explains why he chose her. He knew she would not interfere. Due to the M-Day event, that would leave fear in everyone's heart. Especially since Norman did mention it to Doom. M-Day has left her as a threat to everybody. Still could be Beyonder or Thanos.

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@crimsonspider89 said:
" Fine but then that explains why he chose her. He knew she would not interfere. Due to the M-Day event, that would leave fear in everyone's heart. Especially since Norman did mention it to Doom. M-Day has left her as a threat to everybody. Still could be Beyonder or Thanos. "
Most of Earth don't even know Scarlet Witch was behind M-Day and they don't even know that House of M ever happened.
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But the heroes and villains do. Heck, Tony probably had a file on it and Norman read it and then recruited her while she had amnesia. The figure is shown with a cape. That is all you can notice. Nothing else.

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@Nobody said:
 Also why would someone scream in fear of Wanda. "
M DAY....
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@Nobody said:
It didn't look like Wanda either. "
It didn't look like anyone on the List....
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@Nobody said:
" @crimsonspider89 said:
" Fine but then that explains why he chose her. He knew she would not interfere. Due to the M-Day event, that would leave fear in everyone's heart. Especially since Norman did mention it to Doom. M-Day has left her as a threat to everybody. Still could be Beyonder or Thanos. "
Most of Earth don't even know Scarlet Witch was behind M-Day and they don't even know that House of M ever happened. "

do you honestly believe that Dr. Doom and Loki don't know about M-Day?
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@Vance Astro said:
" @Nobody said:
 Also why would someone scream in fear of Wanda. "
M DAY.... "
But they screamed, "What the hell is that?!" or something along those lines. Thats not exactly the reaction someone gets from Wanda. Also a not the blasts that the thing shot were yellow, where Wanda's are Red. I don't think Wanda has ever shown any other color.
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@danhimself said:
" @Nobody said:
" @crimsonspider89 said:
" Fine but then that explains why he chose her. He knew she would not interfere. Due to the M-Day event, that would leave fear in everyone's heart. Especially since Norman did mention it to Doom. M-Day has left her as a threat to everybody. Still could be Beyonder or Thanos. "
Most of Earth don't even know Scarlet Witch was behind M-Day and they don't even know that House of M ever happened. "
do you honestly believe that Dr. Doom and Loki don't know about M-Day? "
I'm talking about Taskmaster and Hood, who freaked.
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I agree with you that it's not Wanda but I do believe that most of the superhuman community knows that Wanda was responsible for M-Day

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Norman's secret weapon is Wendell Vaughn :)

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@Vance Astro said:
" Norman's secret weapon is Wendell Vaughn :) "
LOL.
 
That'd be rich...everyone being scared of Quasar. That first Cabal meeting would be so much funnier picturing Wendell standing in the doorway.
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IDK but I am leaning towards more Thanos than anyone else. Beyonder/Mephisto would have killed the doom bot in one hit. Wanda's powers have grown though since the House of M where she can fire powerful beams of energy and also she is 1/3 of Earth's High Priestess which gives her magical abilities. I believe Taskmaster and the Hood both have had conflicts with Wanda and Hood would know of her due to her being a classic Avenger.

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@Vance Astro said:
" Norman's secret weapon is Wendell Vaughn :) "

 Accept it! :P
 Accept it! :P
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@Nobody said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" Norman's secret weapon is Wendell Vaughn :) "

 Accept it! :P
 Accept it! :P
"
Noooooo!!!!!
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 Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
 Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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Is Thanos a purple skrull?

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@Nobody said:

"

 Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
 Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
"
No, I am your father !
 
@Nobody said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Nobody said:
" @crimsonspider89 said:

" Like I said, Thanos, Mephisto, Beyonder and Scarlet Witch makes the most sense. I don't think it is Mephisto due to Norman saying all I have done for you. "

 1. Wanda: Loki has been running around as Wanda with the Mighty Avengers. Don't you think Norman would have done something about his Secret Weapon running around with the enemy? 2. Nate: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started. 3. Molecule Man: Didn't meet till after Dark Reign started. 4. Odin: Already told Thor that  he was fine with staying dead, and knew Thor wouldn't bring him back. Why would he change his mind suddenly? 5. Mephisto: Possible. 6. Beyonder: Possible. 7. Thanos: Possible.  "
The shape of the figure didn't resemble Thanos at all, though. Even artistic interpretation has its limits. "
It didn't look like Wanda either. "
Frankly speaking, it didn't look like Mephisto, as well.
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@Vance Astro said:
" Is Thanos a purple skrull? "
Close. He's a mutant Titan.
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@Vance Astro: Do NOT INSULT the Mad Titan Thanos!
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I think you guys are limiting yourselves to the people they showed in the teaser image...it might not be any of them

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Then why show them???????????????? WHY? 
But I understand. It could be Xorn. Or Nightmare. Or Apocalypse.

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@Vance Astro said:
" Is Thanos a purple skrull? "
There was a theory that his mother was a Skrull impostor and he found out, but it was never really established mainstream but it is canon to Earth X and the Earth X trilogy, I think.
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@crimsonspider89 said:
" @Vance Astro: Do NOT INSULT the Dead Titan Thanos! "
fixed.
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 Norman's secret weapon
 Norman's secret weapon
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@danhimself said:
" I think you guys are limiting yourselves to the people they showed in the teaser image...it might not be any of them "
I said this already.
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@Nobody said:

" @glforthewin said:

" @Nobody: that'd be cool but how would osborn control thanos/bring him back to life ? "
Bendis's horrible writing. "
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 

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" @Morpheus_ said:

I don't think that's in character for Thor, or sufficient in order to stop Sentry, but What Ifs? don't make much sense in general. "

If you wanna see the fight, it's right here.
 
 http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=thor-2009120322060490 "
a planet encompassing hurricane? This is the best idea? how about something that WONT destroy nations Tony?
  
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" @Nobody said:

" None of the other choices are much better than Thanos though. "
Nate or Mephisto would be cool in my book "

im looking at Mephisto. His history with Doom being a big reason, but also becuase he's a scrawny morbid looking red guy who could easily warant a "WTF?" to anyone who doesnt know him, and a "awww, this is wrong" to anyone who does. And as far as him not destroying the Doombot, maybe he knew it wasnt really doom. Or maybe Osborn gave him orders not to kill him. Cuz it didnt seem like Norman wanted him dead so much as tamed.
 although Thano's wouldn't be completely out of the question. with the current crap going on with Richards, i can see Thanos getting re-killed being a good opening for Reed to get his Gauntlet... @Vance Astro said:
" Norman's secret weapon is Wendell Vaughn :) "
sadly, not impossible. There is a corrupt one running around....
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" I'm just wondering where Hank Pym fits into Siege. I'll admit he's always been one of my favorite Avengers and he's been doing well with his own Avengers team. I know the big story of Siege is Cap, Thor and Iron Man getting back together but Hank deserves to be heavily involved too. Specially with whatever they Avengers are up to after this event.  As for some of my theories I'm thinking Bucky will stay as Cap and maybe Steve will be tasked with rebuilding SHIELD and maybe running the Avengers Academy. Clint and Bobbi could take over the Dark Avengers and use them to work with and try to rehabilitate some criminals like Constrictor and such kinda like the Thunderbolts. Thor and Iron Man could replace them on New Avengers and give them some more firepower I just hope Hank gets to keep the Mighty Avengers. And Thor-Girl joining the Young Avengers, I'd love that and have been hoping for that since the start. "
He's an Avenger.They all fit. "
So long as they don't pull what Tony tried to at the beginning of Mighty Avengers. "I'm a founder, all I need is a God and a super soldier and I can solve anything" I'm paraphrasing but if they take away Hank's team or something I'll be mad.
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@PrinceIMC said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @PrinceIMC said:
" I'm just wondering where Hank Pym fits into Siege. I'll admit he's always been one of my favorite Avengers and he's been doing well with his own Avengers team. I know the big story of Siege is Cap, Thor and Iron Man getting back together but Hank deserves to be heavily involved too. Specially with whatever they Avengers are up to after this event.  As for some of my theories I'm thinking Bucky will stay as Cap and maybe Steve will be tasked with rebuilding SHIELD and maybe running the Avengers Academy. Clint and Bobbi could take over the Dark Avengers and use them to work with and try to rehabilitate some criminals like Constrictor and such kinda like the Thunderbolts. Thor and Iron Man could replace them on New Avengers and give them some more firepower I just hope Hank gets to keep the Mighty Avengers. And Thor-Girl joining the Young Avengers, I'd love that and have been hoping for that since the start. "
He's an Avenger.They all fit. "
So long as they don't pull what Tony tried to at the beginning of Mighty Avengers. "I'm a founder, all I need is a God and a super soldier and I can solve anything" I'm paraphrasing but if they take away Hank's team or something I'll be mad. "
Well get ready to be mad because Tony,Thor,and Cap are joining Mighty Avengers and they have 3 open spots.I doubt Pym will want to be leader with Steve back.
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@Grim said:
@Vance Astro said:
" Norman's secret weapon is Wendell Vaughn :) "
sadly, not impossible. There is a corrupt one running around.... "
Which actually makes it more possible.
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@Vance Astro said:
" @PrinceIMC said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @PrinceIMC said:
" I'm just wondering where Hank Pym fits into Siege. I'll admit he's always been one of my favorite Avengers and he's been doing well with his own Avengers team. I know the big story of Siege is Cap, Thor and Iron Man getting back together but Hank deserves to be heavily involved too. Specially with whatever they Avengers are up to after this event.  As for some of my theories I'm thinking Bucky will stay as Cap and maybe Steve will be tasked with rebuilding SHIELD and maybe running the Avengers Academy. Clint and Bobbi could take over the Dark Avengers and use them to work with and try to rehabilitate some criminals like Constrictor and such kinda like the Thunderbolts. Thor and Iron Man could replace them on New Avengers and give them some more firepower I just hope Hank gets to keep the Mighty Avengers. And Thor-Girl joining the Young Avengers, I'd love that and have been hoping for that since the start. "
He's an Avenger.They all fit. "
So long as they don't pull what Tony tried to at the beginning of Mighty Avengers. "I'm a founder, all I need is a God and a super soldier and I can solve anything" I'm paraphrasing but if they take away Hank's team or something I'll be mad. "
Well get ready to be mad because Tony,Thor,and Cap are joining Mighty Avengers and they have 3 open spots.I doubt Pym will want to be leader with Steve back. "
Yeah I doubt Pym will be leading the Mighty Avengers when the "Big 3" take over. Maybe he'll take over New Avengers though.
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" @PrinceIMC said:
" I'm just wondering where Hank Pym fits into Siege. I'll admit he's always been one of my favorite Avengers and he's been doing well with his own Avengers team. I know the big story of Siege is Cap, Thor and Iron Man getting back together but Hank deserves to be heavily involved too. Specially with whatever they Avengers are up to after this event.  As for some of my theories I'm thinking Bucky will stay as Cap and maybe Steve will be tasked with rebuilding SHIELD and maybe running the Avengers Academy. Clint and Bobbi could take over the Dark Avengers and use them to work with and try to rehabilitate some criminals like Constrictor and such kinda like the Thunderbolts. Thor and Iron Man could replace them on New Avengers and give them some more firepower I just hope Hank gets to keep the Mighty Avengers. And Thor-Girl joining the Young Avengers, I'd love that and have been hoping for that since the start. "
He's an Avenger.They all fit. "
So long as they don't pull what Tony tried to at the beginning of Mighty Avengers. "I'm a founder, all I need is a God and a super soldier and I can solve anything" I'm paraphrasing but if they take away Hank's team or something I'll be mad. "
Well get ready to be mad because Tony,Thor,and Cap are joining Mighty Avengers and they have 3 open spots.I doubt Pym will want to be leader with Steve back. "
Yeah I doubt Pym will be leading the Mighty Avengers when the "Big 3" take over. Maybe he'll take over New Avengers though. "
I think Thor will not want to lead and think the Mighty roster will take Pym's side. I think Pym will say they had there chance and blew it. Not in those words.
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@Vance Astro:@Nobody:@crimsonspider89: 
 
Well here's hoping Hank can scrape together a team at least. Besides he's got the Infinite Avengers Mansion which is the most secure headquarters for them all. I doubt Hercules and Amadeus will stay on the team if Thor's joining, Jocasta goes with Hank (even though she's not really an Avenger in the field), USAgent will probably move on if Cap's back too, I bet Quicksilver wouldn't be welcome with Tony, Steve and Thor. So yeah I say Hank takes his team and just moves to another book. Maybe get Tigra from the Avengers resistance or whatever it can be like Avengers West Coast again.
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I think Pym will stay the leader. Iron Man nobody will want to lead and he will be in no condition to lead. Cap could but will probably say he thinks pym needs a chance to lead and think Pym has grown into a great leader. Hercules may be the one dying in Siege #2. This has to do with Amadeus's real role in the Marvel Universe.

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@crimsonspider89: I promise you, it won't be Hercules that's going to die.
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" @crimsonspider89: I promise you, it won't be Hercules that's going to die. "
Even if he does its just a matter of fighting Hades and getting out of the Underworld again. He does that a lot. Though I'm thinking that Amadeus might sacrifice himself to save Herc at some point. Athena be damned.
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@Vance Astro said:
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" I think you guys are limiting yourselves to the people they showed in the teaser image...it might not be any of them "
I said this already. "
Marvel is definitely one to put something on a cover or something and not follow up at all
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@PrinceIMC:  They have hinted that Hercules will die and Amadeus will rise up and become a bigger player. 
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@crimsonspider89 said:
" @PrinceIMC:  They have hinted that Hercules will die and Amadeus will rise up and become a bigger player.  "
That is honestly the dumbest thing i've ever heard? Who cares about Cho?
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@Vance Astro:  Obviously the writers. I am referring to the prophecy that a major player will die and an unlikely hero will emerge.
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@crimsonspider89 said:
" @Vance Astro:  Obviously the writers. I am referring to the prophecy that a major player will die and an unlikely hero will emerge. "
Doesn't make sense for the writers to pacify themselves and not the readers.