DC New 52 vs. Marvel NOW

In the last two years, DC & Marvel decided it was time to try something new that would generate some interest for their publications. Two different marketing schemes, but with similar outcomes & variables. The question is which one do you like more? Which of the two did the best job of making YOU, want to read..this is what I thought.

The Big Picture

I have pretty much always been "a Marvel" as far as comics are concerned because too me they always had the better roster and the more interesting stories, but with Marvel getting very predictable, gimmicky, and almost devoid of any real creativity before Marvel NOW, I started to read and enjoy more DC books. With these latest developments, i'm finding these publishers almost neck & neck in terms of quality and the changes they've made to get me interested in what they are doing or planning to do.

DC Comics\New 52 Universe

THE GOOD

A.The Integration of Vertigo & Wildstorm

Although this may be a problem for those of us that were already reading Vertigo & Wildstorm books but I think by adding them to the more popular imprint, it grants them more exposure and also suggests that DC has the faith in them that they will help carry the flag for DC as a publisher. This also shows that DC didn't forget about those imprints as they are moving forward, they are making them a part of their overall plan moving forward.

B.Better Villains make better Superheroes

I've never really taken DC's villains very seriously, I find most of them to be poorly designed & cheesy. I also feel that many of them run out their usefulness in a short time. Some of them, just based on their powers and how they've been handled in team books and against other superheroes than their arch-enemy don't even appear capable of defeating the character they were created for. The New 52 revamp seems to have breathed new life into villains like Black Manta, Captain Cold, Cheetah etc. that I previously thought were pretty lame, but they also brought in New villains like, The Court of the Owls\Talons, He'l, Anguish, Saiko, Grotesque, Reach etc. who are not only interesting but a bit different from what you're used to seeing from DC. I'm used to villains with corny names and ridiculous costumes.

I think they are doing a good job of creating a rogue gallery for characters like Barbara Gordon\Batgirl who didn't really have villains of her own before I also like how they are producing a bunch of one-shots or single issues within certain ongoing series, specifically about certain villains such as Darkseid, Two-Face, Deadshot, & Killer Frost so that a newcomer to DC (like me) can get some incite their bad guys.

C.Everyone Included

DC has so many different types of books now. It's like they are just throwing tons of ideas out there and seeing what sticks. A character like Grifter who hadn't had a solo since WildC.A.T.S. was an Image property, may have never seen an ongoing again but in the New 52, So many characters are getting a shot. DC is even kind of trying to do something for readers that are into the arcane, the occult, magic, witches, etc. with books like Demon Knights & Justice League Dark. Minority characters like Batwing & Vibe are also doing the solo thing. It's like no matter what type of books you like DC is trying to capture that audience.

D. Attention, Please!

Aquaman may not have been a book that you picked up before, because Aquaman kind of had a bad rep. Alot of parodies and jokes have been made about the character and his "supposed" uselessness over the years but I think the introduction to New 52 gave readers the urge to try something new and pick-up books they probably weren't interested in before. I think DC had been actually trying to revamp Aquaman and make him more bad-ass over the years but people weren't taking to him but I think the idea of the New 52 kind of alerted people that there would be changes and new developments with their characters. This isn't just an Aquaman thing, this could apply to any character that you didn't really like before. Maybe you weren't a fan of Harley Quinn before, because you thought she was kind of a goofy love-sick sidekick of the Joker, the New 52 did some work on Harley to try and change your mind. In other words the marketing scheme raised the awareness and the writers gave you a reason to keep reading.

THE BAD

A. Ever Changing Creative Teams

I don't know what's going on at DC but it's like they can't keep writers any more. It seems like on certain books writers change monthly. Green Arrow for instance has had 3 different writers and it's only 12 issues long. It seems like creatively everyone isn't on the same page. Just recently Batwoman's creative team quit over issues that they were having with editorial interference in their work.

B. If It's Not Broke, Don't Fix It!

I understand that DC made alot of mistakes in the past and that they are trying to cover them with this reboot\retcon but it seems at this point they are making alot of changes just for the sake of making changes. Cyborg doesn't need to be a founding member of the Justice League. We all know that DC was started in an era where that wouldn't have made any sense, we also all know that DC isn't really doing much with Cyborg. You make him a founding member of your biggest and most recognizable team and he can't even get a miniseries? How about the JSA being an Earth-2 team? What was the purpose of taking them out of the prime continuity? Why make Alan Scott gay after over 60 years? Why all the ridiculous costume changes? The Justice League looks great now. Superman's costume makes more sense than that whole "underwear-over-tights" thing he used to do, Wonder Woman's costume has some minor changes, Batman's costume is looking more like armor now than spandex; and it goes on like that down the line, but what is this nonsense that DC is doing with Lobo? Why does Bronze Tiger actually look like a Tiger? What is Power Girl wearing? If you wanted to cover up her "boob window" that's cool, but why not better design her costume? Why does Superboy look like he's stuck in a game of Tron? What did they do to Poison Ivy & Black Canary? The new costume designs should have been far better than this. I've seen alternate universe versions of characters that look far better than this, why when you reboot..this is what you get?

D. The Ones We Left Behind

Although DC has brought in alot of characters from their other imprints and they also brought back and revamped alot of characters from their previous continuity, there are alot of characters that have yet to appear in this continuity that are actually decent characters. What happened to their Milestones imprint? They added Icon & Rocket to their Young Justice costume but where are they in comics? Static Shock is the only Milestones character i've seen so far.

E. Continuity Inconsistencies

Many readers probably won't notice and it all depends on what you read, but if you..like me are one of those people who decided to try out multiple books with the relaunch, you may find quite a few continuity errors. They don't really confuse me when I'm reading but they do cause a problem if you're trying to follow the stories between books.

Marvel Now\All-New Marvel Now\Marvel Universe

THE GOOD

A. Attention, This is Not a Reboot

I thought that DC, rebooting their universe instead of simply making necessary changes did them a disservice. These two comic publishers have existed for FAR too long for you "start over". What Marvel actually did was take the things that we already liked about them and the characters we already enjoyed and continued to expand on them.They've made alot of mistakes and ridiculous changes over the years, but they don't give up..they keep it moving.

B. Let's Take a Risk

Unlike DC, Marvel has never really been able to capture a female audience or really keep solo & team books with female characters as the focal point afloat. Marvel said "that's cool..let's try again!" They now have an all female superhero team in the Fearless Defenders and an all-female X-Men team. The Fantastic Four is made up of almost all female members and characters like Ms.Marvel\Captain Marvel,Lady Sif & Red She-Hulk have secured solo titles. Marvel isn't putting out as many minority based titles as they used to but they did just release a Mighty Avengers book that is made up entirely of different ethnic groups & genders.

C.Hickman over Bendis

If Avengers is going to be the most important book in the Marvel Universe, it needed a new writer. I feel like Hickman is taking the Avengers back to what they used to be where as Bendis spent 6 years tearing them apart and then reforming them without considering team chemistry. Hickman's "plan" for the Avengers was INSTANTLY better than what we had come accustomed to from issue #1.

D.Hiding the Heavy-Hitters

Marvel has a habit of taking characters that are uber-powerful off of earth and hiding them away, even in times where Marvel Earth is facing some of their biggest threats. It seems that's a thing of the past. Where they previously didn't use Blue Marvel at all, he's now become an Avenger. Where Thor was "dead" for major events and Hulk was depowered or M.I.A. they've brought him back into it. The Avengers as a unit are probably more powerful than they've been in years or maybe ever.

E.Making Old Favorites New Again

The changes in creative teams all over the Marvel Universe is getting me excited about comics again. If you take a book like Captain America for instance, I had my doubts of it being any good after such an AMAZING Brubaker run especially considering that for alot of it..Bucky was Captain America. After Remender's lackluster Secret Avengers starring Steve Rogers..I didn't think he would be able to pull a solo Cap book off. I was complete wrong. Although it's alot different from Brubaker's run, it's just as good.

F.Back to the Basics

Although Marvel is still doing an event every year, they are still making it so that all these events aren't spilling over into their books so heavily that it actually hurts the story, if they even allow tie-ins at all. Each character is having their own individual adventures again. Marvel NOW can be your starting point. If you weren't a Marvel fan before, this is a good place to start getting into some books.

F. Villains Wanted and Gained


Alot of Marvel characters that I actually liked have had garbage rogue galleries for some time. Daredevil for instance (although like Spider-Man all his villains were just copied from Batman) has had some interesting additions to his list of enemies as of late. Marvel seems to be taking more of an interest in the villain element in their comics.

THE BAD


A.The Events Still Aren't Good


Moving into Marvel Now, their first event was "Age of Ultron" and it was god awful. Marvel hasn't had a good event since Civil War\Initiative. They've been mostly marketing schemes to raise suspense and then they are full of ridiculous twists and turns that lead to a conclusion that will be overwritten within a few years.


B.Media Matching


Apparently Marvel is trying to match their animated series,films & comics so characters like The Falcon who don't deserve to be an Avenger...get to be again. Putting a character you don't care about in a film or an animated series isn't OK and then changing the comics so that the character can have some relevance there to pretend you DID actually care all along is even worse. Let's be honest Marvel, lack of exposure isn't why nobody likes the Falcon. He's sucks. He's not interesting, his powers are boring, and he's no actual help to the Avengers. I'm sorry to say this but neither is Black Widow. You don't EVER need Black Widow on a team with decent street level Avengers. She has no skills that they actually need or can't get from other characters. Just because the Avengers film made her a founding member doesn't mean Avengers Assemble should kick off with her on a short roster they don't need her on. I fear the same thing is happening to the Guardians of the Galaxy.

C.Call Your Team Something Else


Although most Avengers Books are actually good now, there are too many Avengers books..way too many. One of which Avengers Initiative was cancelled some time ago with an extremely similar but less entertaining book, Avengers Academy..which was turned into Avengers Arena with Marvel NOW! Avengers Arena is so bad and such a pointless book. I would rather them bring back the Marvel Knights giving exposure to actually good character instead of wasting our time with a book where Marvel pretends they are willing to effect their status quo by killing off a bunch of characters they don't care about! Also the Illuminati book is called "New Avengers" although it doesn't actually follow an "Avengers" team. I understand that they are using the popular name to sell the book but that just minimizes the attempts they made at "taking risks". We can believe you are a risk taker if you are afraid that a book as important as New Avengers wouldn't sell unless it had "Avengers" in the title. Avengers A.I. also comes to mind, why couldn't Marvel just have created a new team under a new name? You're milking the "Avengers" enough don't you think?


Conclusion

There are probably some things that I left out, but just going off memory these were the things that I thought should be noted when talking about these two marketing plans. I wouldn't say that either is really ahead as far as holding my interest because DC has alot of more books now that I find interesting than I think they did before. I would have liked though if DC simply revamped and not rebooted. I feel like the reboot is kind of making it hard for me to keep reading books that I liked before because I feel like those books were already moving in the right direction and the changes made don't really enhance them. Several of the Batman related books, for instance; had been on a roll without taking away anything from the villains and supporting cast. After the Night of the Owls arc I kind of lost interest in Batman: The Dark Knight.

I know these revamps\relaunches happened quite a while ago, but what do you think about them? Have they increased your interest in their books? Did they completely let you down? Were you disappointed? What are your thoughts?

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Posted by Wolverine08

Nice blog. I disagree with your New Avengers gripe, but you've made some excellent points in this blog post.

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Posted by Vance Astro

@wolverine08 said:

Nice blog. I disagree with your New Avengers gripe, but you've made some excellent points in this blog post.

What are your thoughts on New Avengers?

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Edited by Night Thrasher

Good blog...I'm with you about 98%

Posted by MaximumGeyser5

@wolverine08 said:

Nice blog. I disagree with your New Avengers gripe, but you've made some excellent points in this blog post.

What are your thoughts on New Avengers?

Are the Marvel Now Captain America Comics Good or Bad to you?

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@wolverine08 said:

Nice blog. I disagree with your New Avengers gripe, but you've made some excellent points in this blog post.

What are your thoughts on New Avengers?

It personally doesn't bother me that the Illumanti are being called the New Avengers. Marvel is just doing business, and trying to let this book get good sales by attaching it to a big name (The Avengers). I also don't see how taking the risk of going with a sans Avenger title would add to the book at all.

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@maximumgeyser5 said:

Are the Marvel Now Captain America Comics Good or Bad to you?

Good. Remender's Captain America is actually pretty good. I didn't expect it to be though because I didn't think his style of writing really fit Cap.

Good blog...I'm with you about 98%

What's the other 2% you're not with me on?

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Posted by Extremis

@vance_astro: hey nice blog entry

I can pretty much agree with everything you've said.

As a person who got into comics around the start of these two relaunches, I have to say Marvel has come out on top for me. Don't get me wrong DC has some good stuff, but the creative changes seemed to happen at the wrong times for me and I somehow find myself not having any DC title on my pull right now. Whereas I have many Marvel titles as well as Valiant.

A reason I felt disconnected is the constant reliving of origin stories. A good example for me is the starting of a long Batman "Zero Yero" story arc which was enough to make me split from Batman which is something I never thought I'd do with Scott Snyder writing it. DC just feels like it's constantly rehashing the roots of its characters, but I already know Batman. I'm sick of these "you know the origin, but you didn't know about this 'part' of the origin". It feels like they're beating a dead horse over there.

I also think that Marvel has more talented writers and artists. With Remender, Hickman, Bendis, Aaron, Fraction, DeConnick, and Waid, Marvel is just stacked with writers. Whereas DC's comparable talent is pretty much limited to Johns, Snyder and Lemire mostly. These lists aren't exhaustive by any means, but you get the idea.

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@maximumgeyser5 said:

Are the Marvel Now Captain America Comics Good or Bad to you?

Good. Remender's Captain America is actually pretty good. I didn't expect it to be though because I didn't think his style of writing really fit Cap.

@night_thrasher said:

Good blog...I'm with you about 98%

What's the other 2% you're not with me on?

I actually like the fact that most of Marvel's heavy hitters were cosmic. It made it seem like the Marvel "Universe" was actually a "Universe" and not just Earth. Hence, Annihilation which was super awesome and didn't revolve around Earth or a reasonable facsimile at all.

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@maximumgeyser5 said:

Are the Marvel Now Captain America Comics Good or Bad to you?

Good. Remender's Captain America is actually pretty good. I didn't expect it to be though because I didn't think his style of writing really fit Cap.

@night_thrasher said:

Good blog...I'm with you about 98%

What's the other 2% you're not with me on?

ahh the style of writing, the determining factor of if someone knows what they are doing with a charecter good, what are your Thoughts on his New Costume?

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Awesome blog (for the most part)! For me, New 52 slaughter stomps Now, but still.

Posted by Xwraith

We still don't know what that "First" teaser means, do we?

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@xwraith said:

We still don't know what that "First" teaser means, do we?

Wasn't it just a teaser for all the first issues coming out at the time?

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@wolverine08 said:

It personally doesn't bother me that the Illumanti are being called the New Avengers. Marvel is just doing business, and trying to let this book get good sales by attaching it to a big name (The Avengers). I also don't see how taking the risk of going with a sans Avenger title would add to the book at all.

I'm not knocking Marvel for their business mind. I understand they are trying to make money but at the very least this book could have gotten it's own original Avengers name. "New Avengers" isn't what the book is.

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@rulerofthisuniverse said:

Awesome blog (for the most part)! For me, New 52 slaughter stomps Now, but still.

What do you like about the New 52?

@xwraith said:

We still don't know what that "First" teaser means, do we?

Wasn't it just a teaser for all the first issues coming out at the time?

That's what I thought.


ahh the style of writing, the determining factor of if someone knows what they are doing with a charecter good, what are your Thoughts on his New Costume?

The costume change was needed but I think some writers forget the change has been made and Cap still appears sometimes in his old costume.

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@night_thrasher said:

I actually like the fact that most of Marvel's heavy hitters were cosmic. It made it seem like the Marvel "Universe" was actually a "Universe" and not just Earth. Hence, Annihilation which was super awesome and didn't revolve around Earth or a reasonable facsimile at all.

I think this is still the case. I think alot of the heavy hitters that were space based are still outside of Earth but my issue was, the earth-bound powerhouses they already had being underused, killed off, or M.I.A or depowered.

@extremis said:

@vance_astro: hey nice blog entry

I can pretty much agree with everything you've said.

As a person who got into comics around the start of these two relaunches, I have to say Marvel has come out on top for me. Don't get me wrong DC has some good stuff, but the creative changes seemed to happen at the wrong times for me and I somehow find myself not having any DC title on my pull right now. Whereas I have many Marvel titles as well as Valiant.

A reason I felt disconnected is the constant reliving of origin stories. A good example for me is the starting of a long Batman "Zero Yero" story arc which was enough to make me split from Batman which is something I never thought I'd do with Scott Snyder writing it. DC just feels like it's constantly rehashing the roots of its characters, but I already know Batman. I'm sick of these "you know the origin, but you didn't know about this 'part' of the origin". It feels like they're beating a dead horse over there.

I also think that Marvel has more talented writers and artists. With Remender, Hickman, Bendis, Aaron, Fraction, DeConnick, and Waid, Marvel is just stacked with writers. Whereas DC's comparable talent is pretty much limited to Johns, Snyder and Lemire mostly. These lists aren't exhaustive by any means, but you get the idea.

Thanks.

I'm glad that you are so ambitious in your reading choices. I agree with you on the part about the creative changes to DC's Universe happening at the wrong time. I was just catching up to what they were already doing and now all of a sudden they started over. I also agree with you on Marvel's creative teams in the quality. Hickman has been a breath of fresh air on Avengers.

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Posted by daredevil21134

Marvel Now for me.I can't stand the New 52

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@daredevil21134 said:

Marvel Now for me.I can't stand the New 52

Where you reading DC before then?

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Posted by daredevil21134

@daredevil21134 said:

Marvel Now for me.I can't stand the New 52

Where you reading DC before then?

Yup,while Daredevil is my favorite hero DC was my favorite universe

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Nice

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@daredevil21134 said:

Yup,while Daredevil is my favorite hero DC was my favorite universe

Who are your DC favorites? What characters do you like? I know Red Hood is one of them right?

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Marvel Now is better for me btw. I feel like DC dropped the ball with their reboot and didn't really fix any issues that a reboot would exist to fix. While Marvel Now at least gave a lot of jumping on points and some pretty neat titles.

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@decoyelite said:

Marvel Now is better for me btw. I feel like DC dropped the ball with their reboot and didn't really fix any issues that a reboot would exist to fix. While Marvel Now at least gave a lot of jumping on points and some pretty neat titles.

That's my biggest problem with the New 52. I thought EVERYTHING would be better. For what changes they made it almost seems they should have done the same as Marvel and just "revamped" instead of rebooting. It seems like "business as usual" with a few interesting add-ons. I hate what they did to the JSA. That's the the team that got me reading DC Comics. That was the first book I picked up when I decided to read DC again.

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Posted by DecoyElite

@vance_astro: Yeah I don't like how they've decided to shove everyone into their own little corners rather than let things mixed like they used to.

Also not a fan of most of the character changes as they felt either pointless or outright against the main premise of the characters(Creeper and Question stand out the most in that regard)

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@decoyelite said:

Also not a fan of most of the character changes as they felt either pointless or outright against the main premise of the characters(Creeper and Question stand out the most in that regard)

I haven't seen them yet, what did they change?

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@rulerofthisuniverse: Seriously? I mean the new 52 started out pretty good but it's coming off the rails and you have to look for good books. I have not read a Marvel now book I can say is terrible but there is a number over at DC.

Posted by DecoyElite

@decoyelite said:

Also not a fan of most of the character changes as they felt either pointless or outright against the main premise of the characters(Creeper and Question stand out the most in that regard)

I haven't seen them yet, what did they change?

Creeper is now an evil demon that possess Jack Ryder at night and the Question is now some kind of cosmic dude involved in something called the Trinity of Sin.

Posted by The_MVPs

This should be featured. Solid work Vance. Dont agree with a single point but its still solid :)

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Posted by Vance Astro

@_caesar_ said:

This should be featured. Solid work Vance. Dont agree with a single point but its still solid :)

Lol OK. Any reason you don't agree with me?

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Posted by Mercy_

I disagree with everything Gambler says.

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Posted by Vance Astro

@decoyelite said:

Creeper is now an evil demon that possess Jack Ryder at night and the Question is now some kind of cosmic dude involved in something called the Trinity of Sin.

That's pretty bad. On the Question though are you sure you're not confusing him with the Phantom Stranger?

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Posted by Mercy_

And great job on this, btw! I missed your analytic blogs :)

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Posted by Vance Astro

@mercy_ said:

And great job on this, btw! I missed your analytic blogs :)

More blogs tomorrow :)

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@decoyelite said:

Creeper is now an evil demon that possess Jack Ryder at night and the Question is now some kind of cosmic dude involved in something called the Trinity of Sin.

That's pretty bad. On the Question though are you sure you're not confusing him with the Phantom Stranger?

No, they bumped Question up to Phantom Strangers level for some reason. I wish I were kidding.

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@decoyelite said:

No, they bumped Question up to Phantom Strangers level for some reason. I wish I were kidding.

I just checked....that seems like a pointless thing to do.

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Posted by TheFirstLantern

I agree with you. I enjoy both of them much.

Posted by daredevil21134

@daredevil21134 said:

Yup,while Daredevil is my favorite hero DC was my favorite universe

Who are you DC favorites? What characters do you like? I know Red Hood is one of them right?

Yes that is correct.I also loved Helena Bertinelli she was my second favorite.Superboy,Roy Harper,Azrael (Michael Lane).,(Flash Barry Allen),Wally is cool too though but I always liked Barry more.Kyle Rayner Catwoman & Tim Drake

Posted by Veshark

Great read, I agree with most of your points, especially Marvel's media-matching - which just irritates me to no end. I will say that Infinity seems poised to improve Marvel's event rep - which has been steadily declining since Civil War.

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@daredevil21134 said:

Yes that is correct.I also loved Helena Bertinelli she was my second favorite.Superboy,Roy Harper,Azrael (Michael Lane).,(Flash Barry Allen),Wally is cool too though but I always liked Barry more.Kyle Rayner Catwoman & Tim Drake

Cool. I didn't know you were a Micheal Lane fan. That's my favorite Azrael as well and apparently we are both fans of Tim Drake & Catwoman as well. My favorite GL is Kilowog though & my favorite Flash is Wally West. I'm also fond of Huntress but i'm not really liking this team up with Power Girl because I can't stand new 52 Power Girl.

@veshark said:

Great read, I agree with most of your points, especially Marvel's media-matching - which just irritates me to no end. I will say that Infinity seems poised to improve Marvel's event rep - which has been steadily declining since Civil War.

Infinity was right on time with Hickman taking over the main Avengers book and the Illuminati\New Avengers book.

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Posted by Billy Batson

Is the integration of Wildstorm really working when they have only one title left which is in the cancellation zone? And they haven't used WS and Milestone characters after their books have ended. Wildstorm doesn't really work in the same universe with DC heroes and DC doesn't care for other Milestone properties besides Static. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/13/john-rozum-talks-milestone/

And how are Marvel's female titles secure? Red She-Hulk and JiM got cancelled and many think the same about Captain Marvel.

BB

Posted by Bierschneeman

@vance_astro

I will disagree with you about "if it aint broken don't fix it" line about Lobo.... NOW first, I am not defending the redesign of Lobo, I haven't read him yet but I did a little research, (OMG its hard to find this info) Lobo's last selftitled ongoing, did barely passable, and the numbers dropped drastically. his last selftitled mini, did ok at best, and dropped to bad before the series was over. and the last time he showed up in Superman (as far as I can tell) the sales went don't significantly in the title on the months he showed up, and increased again when he disappeared.....

He was broken.... he may not be fixed now, but he was definitely broken before.

(on a side note, I found Reign in Hell has him in several issues, im a little skeptical on the quality of the mini, since the sales went down from 28k to 11k in only its 8 issue run But it sound passably interesting, Im thinking of reading this and use this as my basis of "pre52" Lobo before I read Lobo no 1 from villains month as reign in Hell is the most recent appearance I found of Lobo (2008-09))

Posted by WaveMotionCannon

@rulerofthisuniverse: how so? Do you even read Marvel? New 52 has some bright spots in a sea of mediocrity, missteps and change for changes sake.

Posted by WaveMotionCannon

@Vance Astro. Great blog , I agree with the majority of what you wrote. DC left Milestone behind and truly halfassed their efforts with the WS characters which was really only for Jim Lee IMO. Also New Avengers could have been better titled Avengers: Illuminati if they were dying for a tie in. All in all good work.

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@wavemotioncannon said:

how so? Do you even read Marvel? New 52 has some bright spots in a sea of mediocrity, missteps and change for changes sake.

ill defend rulerofthisuniverse and say that Marvel Now you could say the exact same thing but more so, except the changes bit.

i picked up every first issue title for both (and a few NON Marvel Now Revamps that happened the year previous and are still going, so we might as well include them) out of New52, I have 20+ titles either in my pull list or I wish they were... (examples of I wish they were, ive heard amazing things about Wonder Woman, and Green arrow after issue 17, but I am not reading these) out of Marvel Now, im not finished cutting down the titles from my pull list but I am currently down to 10, and there are none I wish were on the list that aren't, and im sure I can remove a few more.

ohh on a side note, if they both revamped....I would probably not be buying from both (too much backstory from decades of backissues that Marvel Now assumes everyone knows to continue the story). if they both got rebooted, I would probably not be buying both, but as things stand, if I did buy from both companies, Marvel might have had more titles in my pull list than currently.

EDIT Catwoman is the worst title on my New52 pull list, and it wouldn't still be there if it wasn't my Wife's choice....she likes it. I don't

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I don't think I dislike any of the changes DC has made, I guess my only probably would be the 5 year timeline, I guess they want to make the heroes age around 25. Anyways I like the new 52, it got me into comics, and it's gotten me into pre new 52 comics. So it's a win win for me.

The changes New 52 has made that I like; The Question, Cyborg on JL, Harley Quinn, even Lobo, and others I can't think of atm.

Yeah Lobo may be skinnier, but whose to say they won't buff him up when he comic ages to 30 years old? The design might suit this skinnier Lobo, but I would like to see a new redesign. After all of the hate "before" the issue came out, I thought it was going to be bad, but the new take was pretty interesting imo.

Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse

@wavemotioncannon: To each his own, I guess, but that's exactly how I would describe what I've read from Marvel (except replacing unnecessary changes with unnecessary events). I absolutely love the New 52, though, and would argue those points if I didn't think it was a waste of time.

Posted by The Stegman

Nice blog, for the most part I agree. I enjoy the New 52, but it does feel like kind of a mess continuity wise. Stuffing so much in a five year history plan.

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