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Posted by slacker the hacker

@turoksonofstone said:

We have more prisoners in our prisons than ANYONE ELSE! Why?

do what you do best make a photoshop of it Batman vs The American Goverment

Posted by turoksonofstone
@slacker the hacker:  
What??? I no understand.
Posted by slacker the hacker

@turoksonofstone said:

@slacker the hacker: What??? I no understand.

You used to make alot of custom photos

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

Because you have the most criminals without the (nation-wide) death penalty? 

Posted by joshmightbe

Ok I admit that the US is nowhere near as free as we claim to be but calling us the least free shows a laughable level of ignorance about whats going on in the rest of the world, for instance there are several countries where the mere act of suggesting there may be a problem with the government will get you executed

Posted by turoksonofstone
@slacker the hacker:  
I guess, seems unrelated to the Subject matter though,  and 1 in 100 Americans is in Jail, which pisses me off so I present fact-filled videos instead. 
But perhaps later..
Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist

@joshmightbe said:

Ok I admit that the US is nowhere near as free as we claim to be but calling us the least free shows a laughable level of ignorance about whats going on in the rest of the world, for instance there are several countries where the mere act of suggesting there may be a problem with the government will get you executed

Exactly.

Posted by I'maDC/ImageGuy!

Corporations run the prisons and I don't care.

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe said:

Ok I admit that the US is nowhere near as free as we claim to be but calling us the least free shows a laughable level of ignorance about whats going on in the rest of the world, for instance there are several countries where the mere act of suggesting there may be a problem with the government will get you executed

Country with the largest number of it's citizenry imprisoned = Least Free. 
Hardly Ignorant. 
Posted by Lance Uppercut

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Because you have the most criminals without the (nation-wide) death penalty?

Most of our criminals are just in for possession of marijuana. That and the three strike rule. Our prisons are basically just training grounds.

Posted by Deadcool

Good to know....

Well, USA is not the #1, but at least you are not the last ones, I don't know why the Americans want to be the best in everything...

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe@DeadpoolvIronFist said:

@joshmightbe said:

Ok I admit that the US is nowhere near as free as we claim to be but calling us the least free shows a laughable level of ignorance about whats going on in the rest of the world, for instance there are several countries where the mere act of suggesting there may be a problem with the government will get you executed

Exactly.

You make an interesting point...I wonder where we rank in executions???
Posted by joshmightbe

@turoksonofstone: Country that allows it's prisoners to have cable and Xboxs and doesn't lock people up for stating an opinion equals freer than many countries

Posted by ARMIV2

@Deadcool said:

Good to know....

Well, USA is not the #1, but at least you are not the last ones, I don't know why the Americans want to be the best in everything...

Most of us don't. We just want to simply be.

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe said:

@turoksonofstone: Country that allows it's prisoners to have cable and Xboxs and doesn't lock people up for stating an opinion equals freer than many countries

Pretty sure people have been getting arrested for the last 50 days for stating opinions!!
They have X-Box in prison? So? 
Most Citizens in Prison= Least Free. Fact. Fact. Fact. 
RankCountryNumber executed in 2010per 10M
People's Republic of ChinaOfficially not released. In the thousands, may be up to 5000.37.3 or less
Iran252+33.5+
North Korea60+24.9+
Yemen53+22.5+
United States461.5
5th in executions.
Posted by gravitypress

I'm not sure we are the least free because the illusion keeps holding up that we are free in the first place. Anything you do has some law restricting it for good or bad. I would say we need a few countries to compare to us to determine out freedom in the world. The prison population is troubling and I would guess it has to do with the media always fear peddling us horror stories through the news. They have created a paranoia so great that people lose trust in people in their communities. This seems to be breaking down though with various movements and the exodus to the web for getting news. Judges have been known to falsely imprison people to privately owned correction facilities to get kick backs. Another issue is the growing rate of poverty in the US. People's cost of living has increased dramatically but their wages have stayed the same. Also manufacturing jobs have been moved over sea and the jobs that filled the vacancies have been minimum wage jobs. People feel pushed into a corner and a lot find that crime is better than losing their house or that it is the only way they can make easy money. Some people are victims of framing and others arrested because of race. Free? No but im not sure how free.

Posted by joshmightbe

@turoksonofstone: but you're not considering what they are in prison for, yes some people in prison here don't belong there but most of our prisoners deserve to be in prison while in places like North Korea there are people in prison or dead because they stated opinions their government didn't like or thought feeding their kids was more important than their insane dictators new statue

Edited by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe:  
Yes I am considering what they are in for, most are in for non-violent crimes. 26 years for stealing cookies? Judge should have his teeth kicked in.  
Private Companies running for profit Prisons? In our Name...Again? Conscience won't let it slide.. 
We don't know much about Korea nor need to,  maybe we should clean up our own yard before worrying about our neighbors?  
  
Posted by joshmightbe

@turoksonofstone: Well there are some countries where they'd cut your f**king hand off for stealing cookies so you have to admit we're doing better than those places

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe said:

@turoksonofstone: Well there are some countries where they'd cut your f**king hand off for stealing cookies so you have to admit we're doing better than those places

Not likely Man, seems like an efficient deterrent, and a more equitable one.
Posted by joshmightbe

@turoksonofstone: So you're saying that all the countries that maim people for minor infractions and lock people up for stating opinions are better that America simply because they have less prisoners?

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe:  
Less Evil=Less Evil IMO 
Are they chopping off your hand cause you actually stole something? You know the Law, or should in such a place.  
I don't live there why is it more Important than here? 
We are quick to defer onto others and turn a blind eye to ourselves, we are a sick nation.  
We have 5% of the World's population and 25% of the World's prisoners. 
How are for profit prisons run by private companies not Slavery? 
How is it O.K., 26 years for cookie theft is fair to you??
Posted by joshmightbe

@turoksonofstone: You are missing my point, I'm not saying it's more important I'm just saying there are many places where people have it far worse than people in America. I know this country is far, far from the best place on Earth but it is also clearly not the worst

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe:  
So the fact that an inferior Justice system exists elsewhere in the world somehow trumps our injustice system here at home? 
Numbers don't lie anyway, you are more likely to be incarcerated long term here than anywhere else. 
 
No offense intended, My personal opinions stray toward the whole cutting the offending body-part off anyway so I'm a tough sell.
Posted by gravitypress

We are the kings of the prisons. So I guess we are the best at something =/

Posted by joshmightbe

@turoksonofstone: I'm not defending our system just saying its not the worst I hate win left and right wing people try to twist peoples words to fit a narrow view hence why I'm a staunch moderate

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe:  
So what is your moderate opinion of OP? honestly?
Posted by joshmightbe

@turoksonofstone: We need t figure out a way to remove the corruption of the system with out letting those who actually deserve punishment go free, the problems with our judicial system are very deep and far reaching and so there is no one step over night fix for them we need to actually take the time to find the root of the problems and work from there and honestly I don't have the knowledge required to give an informed opinion on exactly what to do but a good start would be to eliminate corporate interest in our system which would significantly cut down on the corruption

Posted by turoksonofstone
@joshmightbe:  
I agree with you there. Private corporations have no business being involved in any aspect of government. Governments role is to serve the people, not profit off the incarceration of them.
Posted by iLLituracy

I blame it on the movie Scarface and the Godfather. 
 
Know what? I just blame Al Pacino.

Posted by gravitypress

@joshmightbe: @turoksonofstone: Don't forget private courts making decisions for us not in our best interests like torture and wiretapping. We need to be given more of an choice when these types of bills created.

Posted by turoksonofstone
@gravitypress:  
No doubt about it.
Posted by gravitypress
Posted by CATPANEXE

I've always thought as freedom as state of being.

The base notion that you have to ask for freedoms and they can be taken back from you can't logically be freedom, so that version of freedom probably shouldn't

be relied in the first place, nor should a great emphasis be put on it by a person to strive for.

In the literal area the great oppressor of freedom throughout history in nearly every civilization has always been rule, and in the US one could say if they were inclined that it's law. Law itself isn't a bad thing. It's only a tool. Hence, if a person is worried about that law being used to strip them of a " freedom ", my suggestion would be: Learn law, and probably well and well enough to beat that system that's giving you a headache. You wouldn't be the first nor last to this.

As for which place has the least freedoms, I guess does that actually matter really? If any country is lacking in freedoms it would stand to reason that it's not worse or better to be the one that has that going on in greater or lesser quantity. An injustice is an injustice, either way.

Posted by turoksonofstone
@CATPANEXE said:

I've always thought as freedom as state of being.

The base notion that you have to ask for freedoms and they can be taken back from you can't logically be freedom, so that version of freedom probably shouldn't

be relied in the first place, nor should a great emphasis be put on it by a person to strive for.

In the literal area the great oppressor of freedom throughout history in nearly every civilization has always been rule, and in the US one could say if they were inclined that it's law. Law itself isn't a bad thing. It's only a tool. Hence, if a person is worried about that law being used to strip them of a " freedom ", my suggestion would be: Learn law, and probably well and well enough to beat that system that's giving you a headache. You wouldn't be the first nor last to this.

As for which place has the least freedoms, I guess does that actually matter really? If any country is lacking in freedoms it would stand to reason that it's not worse or better to be the one that has that going on in greater or lesser quantity. An injustice is an injustice, either way.

I disagree, They can come and take that state of being from you and they do it here in the USA more than ANYWHERE else. 
It is what it is. 
  
Posted by ssejllenrad

You guys rather have empty prisons and criminals roaming about? That's more "free"? Be my guest.

Posted by gravitypress

@ssejllenrad: Possession of drugs shouldn't get you incarcerated.

Posted by ssejllenrad

@gravitypress said:

@ssejllenrad: Possession of drugs shouldn't get you incarcerated.

I think it should. Well not too long. It is illegal for a reason. But then again, I'm no American and I have no real say in this.

Edited by Jane McClane

Well we do have a higher population than most countries.... get numbers based on population proportions and then maybe I'll listen.....

And we are a little bit better at catching people LEGALLY than other countries....

People rarely go to jail for marijuana possession.... it's a minor misdemeanor, not a felony

The Three Strikes Law (thank you Bill Clinton) has been shown to be a bunch of crap that gets cops killed and puts petty thieves away for life.... a lot of states have recognized that it's no good, and are working on getting it out....

And as far as "Cleaning up our own yard before worrying about our neighbors..." Believe it or not, people said the same thing about WWII... It wasn't our fight.... Yeah that would have gone well... We could all be speaking German if we had waited any longer...

Look our system isn't perfect, but it sure as heck isn't broken.... We are imperfect people, therefore it is impossible for us to create something perfect.... I've had some opportunities to travel, and have seen enough to know that while it may be debatable who's on top, we are DEFINITELY ahead of the curve.... Be grateful for what we have here, and if you want to see change, vote or run for public office....

Posted by cattlebattle
@Jane McClane said:

Look our system isn't perfect, but it sure as heck isn't broken.... We are imperfect people, therefore it is impossible for us to create something perfect.... I've had some opportunities to travel, and have seen enough to know that while it may be debatable who's on top who's, we are DEFINITELY ahead of the curve.... Be grateful for what we have here, and if you want to see change, vote or run for public office....

This is a good assessment, I believe the phrase "you never know how the other side lives" comes to mind
Posted by Jane McClane

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

Look our system isn't perfect, but it sure as heck isn't broken.... We are imperfect people, therefore it is impossible for us to create something perfect.... I've had some opportunities to travel, and have seen enough to know that while it may be debatable who's on top who's, we are DEFINITELY ahead of the curve.... Be grateful for what we have here, and if you want to see change, vote or run for public office....

This is a good assessment, I believe the phrase "you never know how the other side lives" comes to mind

Yeah, I know why people feel the way they do. I used to feel that way myself, until I discovered I was wrong. I went to El Salvador and spent some time in an orphanage that had an armed guard posted outside, that fired off a round into the air every half hour. There was a gang tax on the public transportation system. If a bus didn't kick back 60% to MS-13 they would be shot.... the bus I rode in stood up for themselves, so there were bullet holes in the windows. There are also guard outside of every grocery store and business. The police don't care about drugs down there (because there is no time) and most of the kids I lived with were crack babies. One girl had been raising her little brother from infancy since she was 4 years old.... in a garbage dump... by herself. We live in the closest damn thing to paradise on this planet. I'm sorry if that's not good enough, but that's why our government has term limits.... so we can change it. I've also spent some time overseas, in even worse countries. I am not speaking from ignorance when I talk about America.

And as far as being concerned about ourselves first. Those missions trips doubled as my vacations.... back home I am a Criminal Justice major, one month from graduating with my Bachelors Degree. I spent 600 hours in the passenger seat of a police car this summer, in a less than stellar area.... I'm not saying this to toot my own horn, I'm saying this, because I want people to take what I say seriously. I really do know what I'm talking about.

Posted by cattlebattle
@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

Look our system isn't perfect, but it sure as heck isn't broken.... We are imperfect people, therefore it is impossible for us to create something perfect.... I've had some opportunities to travel, and have seen enough to know that while it may be debatable who's on top who's, we are DEFINITELY ahead of the curve.... Be grateful for what we have here, and if you want to see change, vote or run for public office....

This is a good assessment, I believe the phrase "you never know how the other side lives" comes to mind

Yeah, I know why people feel the way they do. I used to feel that way myself, until I discovered I was wrong. I went to El Salvador and spent some time in an orphanage that had an armed guard posted outside, that fired off a round into the air every half hour. There was a gang tax on the public transportation system. If a bus didn't kick back 60% to MS-13 they would be shot.... the bus I rode in stood up for themselves, so there were bullet holes in the windows. There are also guard outside of every grocery store and business. The police don't care about drugs down there (because there is no time) and most of the kids I lived with were crack babies. One girl had been raising her little brother from infancy since she was 4 years old.... in a garbage dump... by herself. We live in the closest damn thing to paradise on this planet. I'm sorry if that's not good enough, but that's why our government has term limits.... so we can change it. I've also spent some time overseas, in even worse countries. I am not speaking from ignorance when I talk about America.

And as far as being concerned about ourselves first. Those missions trips doubled as my vacations.... back home I am a Criminal Justice major, one month from graduating with my Bachelors Degree. I spent 600 hours in the passenger seat of a police car this summer, in a less than stellar area.... I'm not saying this to toot my own horn, I'm saying this, because I want people to take what I say seriously. I really do know what I'm talking about.

Oh, I believe you, and congratulations and good luck on your future endeavors after College.
 
Its been openly stated that the poorest man in America is still relatively wealthy when in comparison to a poor person from a third world country, In China, a person with an engineering degree would know as much as a generic mechanic in this country,....there is plenty of countries in constant political turmoil and are deemed unsafe due to rioting and upheaval, My family actually left Ireland due to the constant fighting., then there is countries with no freedom at all, people that are born here should feel very blessed.
Posted by _Marco_Smith_

@joshmightbe said:

@turoksonofstone: Well there are some countries where they'd cut your f**king hand off for stealing cookies so you have to admit we're doing better than those places

So this is what happened to Cookie Monster?

Posted by Jane McClane

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

Look our system isn't perfect, but it sure as heck isn't broken.... We are imperfect people, therefore it is impossible for us to create something perfect.... I've had some opportunities to travel, and have seen enough to know that while it may be debatable who's on top who's, we are DEFINITELY ahead of the curve.... Be grateful for what we have here, and if you want to see change, vote or run for public office....

This is a good assessment, I believe the phrase "you never know how the other side lives" comes to mind

Yeah, I know why people feel the way they do. I used to feel that way myself, until I discovered I was wrong. I went to El Salvador and spent some time in an orphanage that had an armed guard posted outside, that fired off a round into the air every half hour. There was a gang tax on the public transportation system. If a bus didn't kick back 60% to MS-13 they would be shot.... the bus I rode in stood up for themselves, so there were bullet holes in the windows. There are also guard outside of every grocery store and business. The police don't care about drugs down there (because there is no time) and most of the kids I lived with were crack babies. One girl had been raising her little brother from infancy since she was 4 years old.... in a garbage dump... by herself. We live in the closest damn thing to paradise on this planet. I'm sorry if that's not good enough, but that's why our government has term limits.... so we can change it. I've also spent some time overseas, in even worse countries. I am not speaking from ignorance when I talk about America.

And as far as being concerned about ourselves first. Those missions trips doubled as my vacations.... back home I am a Criminal Justice major, one month from graduating with my Bachelors Degree. I spent 600 hours in the passenger seat of a police car this summer, in a less than stellar area.... I'm not saying this to toot my own horn, I'm saying this, because I want people to take what I say seriously. I really do know what I'm talking about.

Oh, I believe you, and congratulations and good luck on your future endeavors after College. Its been openly stated that the poorest man in America is still relatively wealthy when in comparison to a poor person from a third world country, In China, a person with an engineering degree would know as much as a generic mechanic in this country,....there is plenty of countries in constant political turmoil and are deemed unsafe due to rioting and upheaval, My family actually left Ireland due to the constant fighting., then there is countries with no freedom at all, people that are born here should feel very blessed.

Yeah, I agree with you. What I've noticed is that the people who have negative opinions of our country, have rarely had any traumatic life experiences or opportunities to stand outside their comfort zone (screwing up and going to jail doesn't count). I have a friend who is studying abroad in London, England, and every day she writes in her blog about how much better it is there and how America needs to "get a clue." I asked her if she was staying safe with the riots and everything and her reply was, "what riots?" She doesn't have a clue....

Posted by cattlebattle
@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:
Oh, I believe you, and congratulations and good luck on your future endeavors after College. Its been openly stated that the poorest man in America is still relatively wealthy when in comparison to a poor person from a third world country, In China, a person with an engineering degree would know as much as a generic mechanic in this country,....there is plenty of countries in constant political turmoil and are deemed unsafe due to rioting and upheaval, My family actually left Ireland due to the constant fighting., then there is countries with no freedom at all, people that are born here should feel very blessed.

Yeah, I agree with you. What I've noticed is that the people who have negative opinions of our country, have rarely had any traumatic life experiences or opportunities to stand outside their comfort zone (screwing up and going to jail doesn't count). I have a friend who is studying abroad in London, England, and every day she writes in her blog about how much better it is there and how America needs to "get a clue." I asked her if she was staying safe with the riots and everything and her reply was, "what riots?" She doesn't have a clue....

LOL, yeah, I don't understand people and their ______ is better than America arguments...I mean every country has its good aspects and bad..Nothing is absolutely perfect.
 
I lived in Jersey City for a while which was actually a bad place to live,but, if you compare it to some places in South America it wasn't that bad at all. I mean there were murders and crime, but I believe they were mostly  rival gang members , which is opposed to some problems other foreign countries warrant, like kidnapping people for ransom regardless of gentrification, being killed for religous beliefs or ethnic background....rgardless how bad Michael Moore tells you it is here....your still pretty safe
Posted by Jane McClane

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:
Oh, I believe you, and congratulations and good luck on your future endeavors after College. Its been openly stated that the poorest man in America is still relatively wealthy when in comparison to a poor person from a third world country, In China, a person with an engineering degree would know as much as a generic mechanic in this country,....there is plenty of countries in constant political turmoil and are deemed unsafe due to rioting and upheaval, My family actually left Ireland due to the constant fighting., then there is countries with no freedom at all, people that are born here should feel very blessed.

Yeah, I agree with you. What I've noticed is that the people who have negative opinions of our country, have rarely had any traumatic life experiences or opportunities to stand outside their comfort zone (screwing up and going to jail doesn't count). I have a friend who is studying abroad in London, England, and every day she writes in her blog about how much better it is there and how America needs to "get a clue." I asked her if she was staying safe with the riots and everything and her reply was, "what riots?" She doesn't have a clue....

LOL, yeah, I don't understand people and their ______ is better than America arguments...I mean every country has its good aspects and bad..Nothing is absolutely perfect. I lived in Jersey City for a while which was actually a bad place to live,but, if you compare it to some places in South America it wasn't that bad at all. I mean there were murders and crime, but I believe they were mostly rival gang members , which is opposed to some problems other foreign countries warrant, like kidnapping people for ransom regardless of gentrification, being killed for religous beliefs or ethnic background....rgardless how bad Michael Moore tells you it is here....your still pretty safe

Yep! I'd be happy to hide in America forever, if there wasn't so much work to be done elsewhere...

Posted by cattlebattle
@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:



you were a missionary??
Posted by Jane McClane

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

you were a missionary??

Well short term I guess.... I started when I was 13 and did it till I ran out of money... I'm hoping to do more short term stuff once I get a job as a police officer and can afford it again (kinda)... and after I build up some vacation time lol

Posted by cattlebattle
@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

you were a missionary??

Well short term I guess.... I started when I was 13 and did it till I ran out of money... I'm hoping to do more short term stuff once I get a job as a police officer and can afford it again (kinda)... and after I build up some vacation time lol

Nice, I always find people that have traveled to be wiser than average, and you have been doing it since such a young age too....where did you have to attend school?
Posted by Jane McClane

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Jane McClane said:

@cattlebattle said:

you were a missionary??

Well short term I guess.... I started when I was 13 and did it till I ran out of money... I'm hoping to do more short term stuff once I get a job as a police officer and can afford it again (kinda)... and after I build up some vacation time lol

Nice, I always find people that have traveled to be wiser than average, and you have been doing it since such a young age too....where did you have to attend school?

Oh, I went through public school for most of my life... The trips were very rustic (no training) which was really rough. I had a very hard time with culture shock, especially when I was in Botswana.