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#1  Edited By TriSkeith13


Unfortunately, an incident like Bludhaven would keep Jason from ever working with Slade. Jason's mantra is to let the punishment fit the crime that was committed. Slade's atrocities against innocents won't stand with Jason. Forcing them to work together? Sure. But the entire time Jason would be trying to figure out a way to kill Slade permanantly.

 

Jason could probably work with the Secret Six, since their all former villians, trying to carve a path down the good path. He'd test them, for sure, though. Though him and Bane wouldn't mix well together since they like to operate in two completely different methods.

 

Best case for a team up: Jason Tood and Connor Hawke. It would work, their styles of doing things would mix well, and Connor would be the perfect Morality Pet to keep Jason from crossing the line at every whim.

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#2  Edited By TriSkeith13

.........yeah, I could see this happening. But apparently he's not told anyone, since no one else has left any clues about this........then again, its Morrison......yeah.
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#3  Edited By TriSkeith13

@RedHoodJT
His fingerprints aren't burnt off, they just can't be indetified. Anyone in the Batfamily has had their fingerprints removed from every database in the world, minus the bat-system.

 

He's John Doe to them. Just the Red Hood.

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@entropy_aegis
My Apologies. I had just woken up and I usually self-censor myself before using profane langauge. I've done it on several of my posts and due to the lack of sleep last night, I found myself missing that part of the wake up.

 

@daredevil21134: 

Yeah....it was supposed to be more humorous, especially with that dab of black humor at the end. Re-read it and was all "Why do I sound like I think Morrison is the devil? I freaking love Morrison. He jus dun goof'd on this one. Like the Talia/Bruce rape debacle. Just Morrison was skimming wikipedia and mixed things up." I mean, come on, the Seven Soldiers event was redciuously awesome! Totally brought Klarion the Witch Boy back with some really cool issues. Just really cool.

 

 

@FadeToBlackBolt     

It was like you were looking at something with REALLY good art, and everything was making sense and flowing really well, then all of a sudden Jason shoots a kid (something he has NEVER done before and is against his own personal code of ethics that is VERY aggressive twoards violence against children) and all of a sudden all hell breaks loose and becomes a giant case of WTF's everywhere you look. 

 

 

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Hmm.....after looking through the evidence, it would appear you are correct sir. Well played. Still, there are other possibilities.
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After looking through the old issues of the club of heroes and the gathering of them during Morrison's run, I made a startling realization.

 

The new Wingman may be Jonathan Mayhew.

 

The club of horoes for the most part were a close knit group who got further and further from one another. When Batman's call for reunification came, they met on Jonathan Mayhew's island.

 

Jonathan betrayed the Group of Heroes, of which he was always considered an outcast (due to him never truly taking an batman-esque identity and instead kept his persona as Mayhew, which ofcourse to heroes like the "Club" would be a constant reminder of who they actually were and not who they were pretending to be) of the group. The Black Glove eventually coerced him to betraying the club and also converted Wingman to his cause, causing both Wingman and the Ranger's death.

 

He was on his island when it detonated at the behest of Hurt when Mayhew failed in killing them all. Taking the wingman identity and truly fighting crime might be the only way for a surviving Mayhew to redeem himself with the hero community, specifically the Batmen of the World.

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#7  Edited By TriSkeith13

I don't know if its him or not. But if its is, that would be interesting, and yet I can't help but feel downed by it.


Then again, this could be Morrison's way of saying, "Yeah, I screwed you fans over. Here's something for you."
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#8  Edited By TriSkeith13

I'm read WotGL. Its a really great story so far, I'm really digging it. It helps me still retain my belief that Kyle is the biggest dumbass to ever wield a ring. "I'm going to pick the blue one, cuz I leik hope!" Great, you just super charged EVERY SINGLE PERSON TRYING TO KILL YOU! Should have picked the orange and made projections of a gigantic freezer with all his dead girlfriends in it. Then swung that around at people yelling "MY PRECIOUSS'!!!!!"

 

Though John wielding the Indigo and using the staff to snipe everyone in the face, is priceless.

 

 

Overall, some really dry weeks ahead of us.

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In universe the only person to blame is the Joker. He did it. Its his fault. Bruce failed to make it in time, sure. Even Bruce believes it was his fault and he carries that cross to this day. In retcon, Batman writers have changed the story that "This horrible tragedy happened and it was aweful. Joker killed Jason." to "Jason killed himself by being a reckless, ill-behaved emotional nutjob who never did anything Bruce told him.". But in the end, Bruce is responsible for Bruce's actions. And for the writers who have done this "retconning", its dumb and its stupid to pigeon hole Jason's death on him or Jason himself.

 

Joker did it. In those brief moments where Joker beat Jason, Jason saw the very truth of Joker's soul. He saw that the madness was the mask. That this disgusting, sociopathic monster had so ingrained his identity as a madmen in the hearts and souls of others, becoming the darkest form of fear, that he tricked himself into believing it was true.

 

The Joker is the darkness that Batman could become. Bruce has the means to eliminate his identity, fake his own death, and truly decsend into the "Batman" persona. He has walked the edge of this identity crisis many times and it has always been one of the many issue his character faces over time. When the line is blurred.

 

Joker has crossed the line and is never coming back. Back deep in the very maelstrom that is the Joker's mentality, in the very center of all the chaos, lies the sanity and clarity of the man he was, the man he has always been. A man who sees the chaos and accepts it has his weapon. Because this man is evil. This man, this core of who Joker is, his TRUE identity is that of a man who really does enjoy hurting others.

 

Because the crazy thing about the Joker is that he is sane. He is completely sane and knows it. In Alan Moore's "A Killing Joke", in a STUNNING moment of clarity, that man in the eye of the storm shows himself to Batman. He shows Bruce the truth. That its too late for him. That there is no saving him. Because he doesn't want to be saved. And then, without a hitch, he walks back to the center of the maelstrom and the storm rises once more.

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Jason has been and will always be the Robin that truly understood what it means to be nothing. He was a street rat. A kid who had only his wit and skill to rely on to survive. He grew up in crime alley, and for the worse part of it, and orphan. The cycle of crime had literally taken everything from him. He was left alone to witness the crimes of the worst scum in Gotham. It isn't far stretched to assume he was emotionally, mentally, and physically scarred by this. He, with almost no doubt, saw the beating, rape and murder of people in Crime Alley. There is no doubt he was forced to see the worst Gotham had. And yet he still choose to do good. He still has a moral dimension to his character that compels him to be better than the rest of the scum he was forced to be part of. He had seen the worst that Gotham had to offer, been victim to the never ending criminal cycle of Crime Alley, and yet when given an opportunity to be the change he wanted to see in Gotham, to take a hand in its fight against what was the dark side of the city he was born and raised in, he took it. He fought, he he fought, and he fought to bring some change to Gotham. He saw and knew the weaknesses to Bruce's methods, but chose to follow them any way. Because he really believed in the end, they would win. That good would triumph over evil. That the strong would protect the weak from the wicked. He believed that until his death. He stuck his neck out for a woman he had barely met. He was met with the harsh, cruel, evil that he had fought. And he died. He died covering the woman who betrayed him. He was a good soldier who fought for his father. Bruce will never be the same. Even Jason's return didn't change anything.


No one understand this better than Winnick. I truly, TRULY believe that until the next batch of issues from him come out, we truly can not say which direction this character will go. If Winnick keeps Jason in this status quo, then I can honestly say DC editorial has their hands on a cash cow and they won't let go of the utters till something better comes along.
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