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@fadetoblackbolt: Reference to Dirty Harry?

See, I've only ever heard the phrase "Ever Dance With The Devil In The Pale Moonlight?" from the 1989 Batman film, and frankly googling it has only brought me to that scene where the Joker says it. Is that what Wolvie here is trying to refer to? Image from Uncanny X-Men #258

@rabbitearsblog said:

Pretty much. I give Avengers SOME credit, each book has a different feel towards it

Avengers (heroics), New Avengers (world-ending scenarios), Secret Avengers (espionage), Young Avengers (young adults), Uncanny Avengers (hero / mutant relations), Avengers Assemble (movie tie-in). Avengers Arena (survival), Avengers AI (robots).

As of now, Assemble and AI havent proved to me that they need to exist. Arena couldve been a maxi series, since the shock value of killing teenagers only goes so far.

Uncanny (revolution), All-New (original), X-Men (female, 90s feel), Legacy (Legion), Factor (dysfunctional family), Wolverine and... (School, pre-teens), X-Treme (Dimension hopping), Astonishing (teachers of school), Uncanny X-Force (hit team, I think), Cable and X-Force (rogue team).

X-Men have a lot less diversity, because Wolverine and Storm are cash-making machines. X-Treme got cancelled, Astonishing is getting cancelled (I'm surprised it took awhile to cancel this title), Uncanny/Cable (and) X-Force is doing mediocre. I don't personally like Legacy, but it makes sense around. Titles in bold are the ones that I think should stick around (or in X-Factor's case, rebooted, since it's already heading that way).

It took Capt. America two issues to walk across a room in AoU. I think I stopped reading it at that point. Also, his Moon Knight was a little too... different for me.

His best is still Ultimate Spider-Man IMO, followed by Daredevil (The first half was epic, the second half was a little lackluster).

He's doing good work on ANXM and UXM now.

I've never read his Avengers work, so no comments there.

Explaining this to my friend is going to get... confusing.

@oldnightcrawler: @john_valentine:

I know! I mean, a good proportion of the reason I picked up the book is because I was a NM fan, but Sunspot and Cannonball has done almost nothing since the book started, besides get in a argument with Superior Spider-Man over taking their lunch. I'm seeing this book till Infinity, then dropping it and selling off my issues I guess.

I always belived Cypher/Warlock shouldve been at JGSchool either teaching, or providing mission intel.

At least Beak didn't betray the team. Multiple teams. Multiples times. Over and over again. He had good in his heart, and I guess that counts for something.

As a Cypher/Warlock fan, I'm still almost surprised he's only been put down once on this list.

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If you quantify worst X-Men by how little they've contributed to the dream, it would be:

Mystique and Sabretooth - Done more harm than good, even with X-Factor and Rogue's team.

Omerta and Wraith - They did one mission, and even so, they barely did anything.

Sunfire and Sunpyre - Sunfire went all Apocalypse and robot legs, while Sunpyre did nearly nothing.

Gosamyr - Who? Preicsely.

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I'm giving Beak the benefit of the doubt because of Here Comes Tomorrow's Tito and his post House Of M appearance.

@reef:

Just swap out X-Men Schism, I personally thought it was mediocre, and also, its not really as relevant anymore since Marvel NOW happened.

Jim Lee only works best for dynamic scenes and colourful superheroes, just like how the other polar end of that is John Cassaday, who draws human scenes really well.

Wraith

Tag

Ink

Doop (no seriously, what does he do?)

Maggot

Xorn and his merry band of Special Class mutants.