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@cable_extreme I've spent an entire page talking about this. No diversion. The quote from the Patrol Guide is there in that video if you're willing to go directly to 4:30 and listen for all of about 10 seconds. It'll save you some work. But if you want to continue being pig-headed because you've been caught in a lie, be my guest.

@sc I agree that he was resisting arrest, but only technically speaking, not in a way that warranted such swift and aggressive action on behalf of the police. Also, he shouldn't have been being arrested in the first place. You're right, it was just selling cigarettes. I doubt anyone's been arrested for that crime before.

@cable_extreme Don't have the time? Construct it yourself? You're joking, yes? I did link the quotes, it just happens to be in a video. The quote is about ten seconds. Also you seem to have plenty of time, being that you're here on Comic Vine arguing with me. And if you reply, the time you take to reply will be time enough to watch the segment of the video I'm talking about. Someone's afraid of the truth.

@sc Out of curiosity are you aware of the crime they were arresting him for? It adds salt to the wound of his death, and is what makes me label this case one of police brutality.

@rd189 Aggressively? What he did barely qualifies as aggressive, if at all. He said he didn't want any trouble and that they should leave him alone because he did nothing wrong. He was being harassed for no good reason, and because he stood up for himself, he paid for it with his life because of police ego. You're right, though, that's more than I expected to happen to him, and I can say I am most certainly glad it did. He killed someone who never should have been killed. That's murder, whether you're willing to call it that or not.

@cable_extreme Actually, a youtube video can be proof of something, because in this case the part I referred you to wasn't any of the commentators opinions. He was quoting the NY Times which was quoting the New York City Patrol Guide. So yes, you should spend time and look at it, it's a comprehensive quoting of guidelines.

@cable_extreme: watch the video, listen to their definition of what a P.O. ought not to do. Starts at about 4:30. If he used a legal chokehold, the guy would never have had to claim that he couldn't breathe.

@jayc1324: that part is definitely fair, we should worry about police officer security. Their job is inherently dangerous. But talking about the guy's size advantage without talking about the police's number advantage is unfair and imbalanced.

@jayc1324 Condoning the cops actions puts you in the camp that doesn't want to hold police officers accountable when they step outside their line of duty.

@rd189 I tried, stopped reading after you said he was clearly resisting arrest. What he was doing did not warrant the choke, considering there was already backup on the scene and the officers could have subdued him another way. He wasn't being violent, never struck an officer, in fact, his hands were open and in front of him, not balled in a fist.

@cable_extreme read my above posts, the officer did not comply with NYPD procedures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ZOu__nVHg

A video with the footage and some rational analysis.

@jayc1324 it's significant that P.O.s are not allowed to use chokeholds in the N.Y.P.D., which is indeed the case, look it up if you don't believe me. It's not something to be swept under the rug, considering that's what killed the man. It also should be what makes sure the officer that did it will go on trial. However, without severe public outcry, that will never happen. Status quo preservers like yourself only make it less likely.

@rd189 the fact that you're pissed off by videos, emphasis on the plurality of it, is quite telling.

@jayc1324: No, actually, it's not. NYPD police guidelines state that police officers are not to use chokeholds to restrain people. Also, if you bother to watch a video, the fellow clearly states he doesn't want any trouble and that he feels like he's being harassed for no good reason.

My brother is a police officer and even I can acknowledge that police brutality exists and is a problem. It's well documented. For people like @cable_extreme, if this case isn't enough for you, go look up countless other cases. I can name two from within the last month that I've seen reports of.

Now on the other hand, there are also well documented cases of brutality against the police, and it's not just from the gangs. 23 year old cop from the Jersey City P.D. was recently gunned down, for example, not by a gang member, but to my understanding, just someone who wanted to kill a P.O. You can look that up too.