Overrated & Overhyped

I have decided to make a list of people, teams and titles that I think are overrated and overhyped. People always make a a big deal out of them.

When really, they are overrated and overhyped..

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32 Comments
Posted by Wolverine08

Aw sh%t, a lot of controversial picks you got here :D

Posted by time

Aw sh%t, a lot of controversial picks you got here :D

Like.

Posted by Wolverine08

Personally disagree with the Avengers, Batman, Namor, Spider-Man, Thor, Wonder Woman (She's hot!).

Posted by time

Personally disagree with the Avengers, Batman, Namor, Spider-Man, Thor, Wonder Woman (She's hot!).

Do u think Batman can beat everyone?

Avengers are team I dislike the most.

From the list I only hate Namor and Grant Morrison. I hate Wolverine and the X-Men, cause it's a rubbish series.

I don't think much of Emma, The Avengers or Thor. I don't like the man Cyclops become

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose

I won't argue with your choices, as obviously things like this are opinion based, but I just want to ask for a couple of details about your choice of The Avengers.

How do you mean by them being a rip-off of the Justice League? And by "all they do is steal heroes from other comics", could you give some examples?

Posted by RustyRoy

Personally disagree with the Avengers, Batman, Namor, Spider-Man, Thor, Wonder Woman (She's hot!).

This and Grant Morrison.

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@v_scarlotte_rose said:

I won't argue with your choices, as obviously things like this are opinion based, but I just want to ask for a couple of details about your choice of The Avengers.

How do you mean by them being a rip-off of the Justice League? And by "all they do is steal heroes from other comics", could you give some examples?

What I mean is

The Avengers are the world greatest heroes according Marvel and the Justice League are the world greatest heroes according DC.

They both have 2 major powerhouses.

Avengers have Thor and Hulk

The Justice League have Superman and Wonder Woman

Batman and Iron Man are humans, that are rich, who use armor to be heroes.

Captain America is first ever superhero according to Marvel and Superman is first ever superhero

Both Thor and Wonder Woman are consider as gods.

With regards to stealing heroes from other titles, The Fanstatic Four have join the Avengers and some of the X-Men have as well.

Posted by TheCannon

I agree with a few things on here (Batman, Grant Morrison), but strongly disagree with others (Spider-Man, Thor, Wonder Woman). But I still liked this list since you have reasons for everything on here.

Also, Namor isn't an Aquaman rip off. Namor came first.

Posted by Baberaham_Lincoln

Cyclops...really? He deserves the hype doesn't he? i mean like you said, he united the mutant race (basically the captain america for the X-men). That in itself is pretty damn good (unlike Wolverine >:D)... Also, Batman does have some ridiculous fans, but for the most part, i don't think he should be considered overrated, just over-hyped (so he makes it half in the list :P)

Posted by time

I agree with a few things on here (Batman, Grant Morrison), but strongly disagree with others (Spider-Man, Thor, Wonder Woman). But I still liked this list since you have reasons for everything on here.

Also, Namor isn't an Aquaman rip off. Namor came first.

.Thanks. With regards to Namor, was he ever more know that Aquaman.

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@baberaham_lincoln said:

Cyclops...really? He deserves the hype doesn't he? i mean like you said, he united the mutant race (basically the captain america for the X-men). That in itself is pretty damn good (unlike Wolverine >:D)... Also, Batman does have some ridiculous fans, but for the most part, i don't think he should be considered overrated, just over-hyped (so he makes it half in the list :P)

There are people who believed he saved the mutant race, when he didn't.

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose
Posted by time
Posted by Baberaham_Lincoln

@time: It may not have been a direct act on Cyclops' part in saving the mutant race, but rather he indirectly contributed to the process as seen in AvX and even prior to that, Schism. So i guess IN A WAY, there is some credence for those who argue that Cyke saved the mutant race. Anyways, to each their own i guess (in regards to interpreting said act) and nice list!

^_^

Posted by time

@time: It may not have been a direct act on Cyclops' part in saving the mutant race, but rather he indirectly contributed to the process as seen in AvX and even prior to that, Schism. So i guess IN A WAY, there is some credence for those who argue that Cyke saved the mutant race. Anyways, to each their own i guess (in regards to interpreting said act) and nice list!

^_^

Thanks. We all have different views on Cyclops.

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose

@time said:

Not sure what you mean. You haven't said anything..

Gah, that's happened a few times now.

Anyway, I suppose "Worlds Greatest" and "Earths Mightiest" are basically the same thing.

Those are just a handful of characters when each team has over 100 members though.

I've always thought it made some sense for members of other teams to join. If it's Earths Mightiest Heroes, a character could come from any background. Do you think it should only be solo characters that can join?

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@time said:

Not sure what you mean. You haven't said anything..

Gah, that's happened a few times now.

Anyway, I suppose "Worlds Greatest" and "Earths Mightiest" are basically the same thing.

Those are just a handful of characters when each team has over 100 members though.

I've always thought it made some sense for members of other teams to join. If it's Earths Mightiest Heroes, a character could come from any background. Do you think it should only be solo characters that can join?

I think the Avengers just need to stop stealing the heroes from other comics period. Most of Marvel have join the Avengers.

Wolverine, Beast, Storm, Rogue, Havok have all join the Avengers. Come next year I bet another 3 X-Men members will join them.

There just too similar to the Justice League. The Justice League are much better team.

Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose

@time: I do think that they don't really need to add more members for a while now. There's plenty already that could be getting some attention rather than new members. I'm not a Justice League reader, so I don't know how they're recruitment works. Do they not take characters from other series too?

There's Cannonball, Sunspot and Sunfire too.

Posted by time

@time:

I do think that they don't really need to add more members for a while now. There's plenty already that could be getting some attention rather than new members. I'm not a Justice League reader, so I don't know how they're recruitment works. Do they not take characters from other series too?

There's Cannonball, Sunspot and Sunfire too.

They have in past, not so much on a large scale. I forgot Cannonball, Sunspot and Sunfire, so what is that 5 X-Men members this year, it will be another 5 next year.

Posted by MadeinBangladesh

Dude I agree with a lot of these. It's kindof like one of my list.

Edited by johnkmccubbin91

Batman can't beat everyone, but he can beat most people, and if given the right amount of time could even probably beat everyone. Also Namor isn't a Aquaman rip off being one of the few Marvel heroes that have similar counterparts in DC which aren't. Also Spider-Man is funny with fun tales (though not so much now) and Thor is far from boring (just read Infinity #4 to see why).

Posted by Grey56

Time -

I'd venture the proposition to you that because in fact X-Factor doesn't feature some of the more prominent characters is what makes its success all the more impressive. Peter David's ability to craft compelling, character driven stories where before there were only also-rans is a testament to his craft.

More than that though - going to X-Factor for the same type of stories told in the other X books (which by and large have been terrible for going on 9 years with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing) is a fraudulent pursuit. It was designed to tell a different type of story. And in almost every critical corner of the comic universe it found universal acclaim.

Lastly though; the continuity of David's presence isn't something to be undersold. When was the last time you can recall having a writer or artist present for over 50 issues on one title? You can cite The Walking Dead or other creator owned properties on Image or other 3rd party publishers - but not at the big 2. I challenge you to find one. When you do - you'll find that it was.......Peter David. When he wrote the first 47 issues of Aquaman.

On a side note - Batman wins.

Posted by Trodorne

Im surprised Wolverine was not on this list. I think he is very overrated.

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@madeinbangladesh said:

Dude I agree with a lot of these. It's kindof like one of my list.

Thanks, what choices on my list do you agree with.

@johnkmccubbin91 said:

Batman can't beat everyone, but he can beat most people, and if given the right amount of time could even probably beat everyone. Also Namor isn't a Aquaman rip off being one of the few Marvel heroes that have similar counterparts in DC which aren't. Also Spider-Man is funny with fun tales (though not so much now) and Thor is far from boring (just read Infinity #4 to see why).

I think you prove my point. Most Batman fans believe Batman can beat anyone with prep time. What Avengers characters do you think he can beat, out of the main Avengers. What X-Men characters do you think he beat, out of the main X-Men.

Spider-Man is funny, sometimes he can annoying to. He reminds of Deadpool, funny sometimes and annoying other times. Thor to me is boring character, he is boring powerhouse. Superman, Supergirl, Hulk, Colossus, Juggernaut and even Wonder Woman are far more interesting him.

@grey56 said:

Time -

I'd venture the proposition to you that because in fact

X-Factor

doesn't feature some of the more prominent characters is what makes its success all the more impressive.

Peter David

's ability to craft compelling, character driven stories where before there were only also-rans is a testament to his craft.

More than that though - going to X-Factor for the same type of stories told in the other X books (which by and large have been terrible for going on 9 years with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing) is a fraudulent pursuit. It was designed to tell a different type of story. And in almost every critical corner of the comic universe it found universal acclaim.

Lastly though; the continuity of David's presence isn't something to be undersold. When was the last time you can recall having a writer or artist present for over 50 issues on one title? You can cite

The Walking Dead

or other creator owned properties on

Image

or other 3rd party publishers - but not at the big 2. I challenge you to find one. When you do - you'll find that it was.......Peter David. When he wrote the first 47 issues of

Aquaman

.

On a side note - Batman wins.

I think you identify a real problem in X-Men comics. A real flaw in X-Men comics. Really bad decisions being made by Marvel, Marvel has made a lot bad decisions over the last couple of years.

They let Peter David create X-Factor investigations and they let him be the writer for X-Factor investigations for about 7 years. X-Factor is a good series, thanks to Peter David.

While that happen they fail the other X-Men titles

Uncanny X-Men, the flagship title. The title that supposed to be the best X-Men title and it end up being one of the worst X-Men titles.

Marvel hired Matt Fraction and Kieron Gillen to work on Uncanny X-Men. Matt Fraction has worst X-Men run in X-Men history, he was writer of Uncanny X-Men for four years and then Kieron Gillen series was as boring as hell. So Uncanny X-Men has been rubbish for 6 years.

Then there Wolverine and X-Men title which started in 2011, it been rubbish series for three years now.

Then there is Astonishing X-Men which has been rubbish since Joss Whedon left. It's been rubbish for 6 years. In fact, I only liked 2 stories over the last 6 years from Astonishing X-Men.

Very well saying Peter David has had one of the best X-Men titles. Let's be honest here, he hasn't had much competition from the other titles, most of them have been rubbish over the last 6 years.

If those titles above had better writers over the last 6 years, they would be better than X-Factor Investigations.

Saying that, Kyle and Yost X-Force is much better series that X-Factor Investigations and so is Uncanny X-Force, Rick Remender series. Both X-Force titles have been better than X-Factor.

Then there the characters, Madrox, Layler Miller, Siryn and Monet and the others, are good characters, but are they better then the other X-Men characters. Are they better then likes of Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus ? No there not. Most fans care more about the main X-Men characters, then they do about other characters in the X-Men franchise. Which is why X-Factor investigations makes my list. How can be consider as one of the best X-Men titles, if doesn't involved best X-Men characters. It doesn't involved the main X-Men.

Peter David has written the X-Factor characters very well. While a lot of good X-Men characters have suffered at the hand of other writers. Storm, Magneto, Gambit, Bishop and even Iceman has been written terrible over last couple years. Iceman has only been good this year.

I think if Peter David work on the other X-Men titles, like Uncanny X-Men, then that title will more likely be better than X-Factor investigations.

I give Peter David credit, he been loyal to X-Factor and created a good series, with good characters. He manage to keep the X-Factor separate from most of the X-Men events like Avengers vs X-Men, that's credit too his writing. That doesn't mean he has the best X-Men series.

Peter David reminds of Brian Wood. Brian Wood is a good writer too and he some decent runs like Ultimate comics X-Men and his work on X-Men. Marvel have been smart when it comes to Brian Wood. They given him another X-Men title. They have allowed him to created a title dedicated to X-ladies, the first of it's kind. Brian Wood can pick most of ladies in the title. The series only started in June and come next year, it probley end up being one of the best X-Men titles.

That's Marvel being smart, they haven't been smart of the last 6 years and allowing Peter David to work only one series for 7 years , while that happen they given Uncanny X-Men to Matt Fraction.

If we are talking about better X-Men runs. Chris Claremont run in the early 1980's is one the best X-Men runs ever. Fabian Nicieza run on X-Men in the early 1990's when he took over from Chris Claremont. Not only did he work on X-Men, but he work Uncanny X-Men, Wolverine, X-Force and wrote some of the Age of Apocalypse titles and that's within 5 years . He much better writer than Peter David. Come to think about Ultimate X-Men was a better series than X-Factor. The series lasted 9 years. Mark Miller started out as the writer of the series.

I also like point out that Marvel have hired a lot of writers to work on the titles and as a result most writers don't have long enough on that title. While Peter David has been given a long time to work one series.

Batman your favourite character. You going think he can beat anyone.

Posted by time

@trodorne said:

Im surprised Wolverine was not on this list. I think he is very overrated.

Wolverine not overrated, he just overexposed

Posted by johnkmccubbin91

@time: Doesn't mean that it's not true. To answer that any of them, given prep time as if they have a weakness he'll find it. I do however feel that most superhumans if Batman met them without any prior knowledge that he'd be killed or defeated instantly, it is his contingencies that make him win as much.

Well I beg to differ when it comes to Thor, and I'm sure there'll be a lot that agree, though that is personal opinion, and hence if you feel this way then he deserves to be on your list, though he wouldn't be on mine.

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@johnkmccubbin91 said:

@time: Doesn't mean that it's not true. To answer that any of them, given prep time as if they have a weakness he'll find it. I do however feel that most superhumans if Batman met them without any prior knowledge that he'd be killed or defeated instantly, it is his contingencies that make him win as much.

Well I beg to differ when it comes to Thor, and I'm sure there'll be a lot that agree, though that is personal opinion, and hence if you feel this way then he deserves to be on your list, though he wouldn't be on mine.

If I were too look at the Avengers. The main Avengers

He can Beat Hawkeye and Black Widow.

He Can't beat Hulk, Thor or Wolverine.

I don't think he can beat Iron Man either. Tony is a a lot smarter and has much more fire-power than him.

He might be able to beat Captain America.

People think he can beat anyone with prep time. People don't realise if Batman had prep time, who to say his opponent hasn't had prep time. Learning Batman weaknesses.

I just don't like Thor or Namor. I don't mind Thor in the movies, but in comics he just so boring.

Posted by johnkmccubbin91

@time: Yes but Batman's the master of contingency plans, being prepared for anything, even the opponent themselves being prepared, plus he doesn't always fight fair. Now Thor and Hulk I could imagine him having a hard time, but I'm sure he could find some way of knocking Hulk out with gas. I do however see it hard for him beating Thor, and he probably couldn't without help or manipulation. Again Wolverine would be a hard task, but there is always stuff like Carbonadium can disrupt his healing factor. I think he could easily beat Tony as a lot of people have compromised his suits in the past so why couldn't Batman.

The thing I don't agree with a lot of people is that it'd be easy for him, as people make it seem like a forgone conclusion, whereas there's still a high percentage of him losing, it's just that he has the ability to defeat nearly anyone.

Posted by Grey56

@time:

If I may parse down some of your reply I think you aptly summarize the discussion with this :

" Let's be honest here, he hasn't had much competition from the other titles, most of them have been rubbish over the last 6 years.

If those titles above had better writers over the last 6 years, they would be better than X-Factor Investigations.

Saying that, Kyle and Yost X-Force is much better series that X-Factor Investigations and so is Uncanny X-Force, Rick Remender series. Both X-Force titles have been better than X-Factor.

Then there the characters, Madrox, Layler Miller, Siryn and Monet and the others, are good characters, but are they better then the other X-Men characters. Are they better then likes of Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus ? No there not. Most fans care more about the main X-Men characters, then they do about other characters in the X-Men franchise. Which is why X-Factor investigations makes my list. How can be consider as one of the best X-Men titles, if doesn't involved best X-Men characters. It doesn't involved the main X-Men. "



You have two main points in this.

1 - Peter David's run on X-Factor is remarkable largely as a product from a lack of competition from other X books being published at the same time. I can agree with this outside of what Rick Remender has done with X-Force for a much shorter amount of time than Peter David. If there had been better writing - who knows if it would have been comparably better. We'll never know.

2 - Your somewhat general statement about which characters are 'better' I'm afraid is too loose of a term. There truly are not characters that are 'better' or 'worse'. (Aside from Rainbow Raider - who is the definition of bad). I think of a lot of how Napoleon did; There are no bad Soldiers....only bad Officers who lead them.

Are the characters you've listed more 'popular'? Absolutely - without a doubt. Colossus has been mine since I was young enough to know the difference. Your contentions that 'X-Force' has been better and that X-Factor is inferior simply because it doesn't feature the more popular characters are part of the same fallacy which I described in my first response; they are different products.

X-Factor was designed to tell much different stories than traditional 'cape' books had been telling. So in order to categorically define which is better we then have to compare apples to apples. We do not have that here. Thus, it's unfair to hold one to the same standard.

I understand you have a bone with Marvel; we share that in common I see. However, taking that out on X-Factor for not featuring 'popular' characters doesn't discredit the series as a whole good sir.

Posted by MadeinBangladesh

@time said:

@madeinbangladesh said:

Dude I agree with a lot of these. It's kindof like one of my list.

Thanks, what choices on my list do you agree with.

@johnkmccubbin91 said:

Batman can't beat everyone, but he can beat most people, and if given the right amount of time could even probably beat everyone. Also Namor isn't a Aquaman rip off being one of the few Marvel heroes that have similar counterparts in DC which aren't. Also Spider-Man is funny with fun tales (though not so much now) and Thor is far from boring (just read Infinity #4 to see why).

I think you prove my point. Most Batman fans believe Batman can beat anyone with prep time. What Avengers characters do you think he can beat, out of the main Avengers. What X-Men characters do you think he beat, out of the main X-Men.

Spider-Man is funny, sometimes he can annoying to. He reminds of Deadpool, funny sometimes and annoying other times. Thor to me is boring character, he is boring powerhouse. Superman, Supergirl, Hulk, Colossus, Juggernaut and even Wonder Woman are far more interesting him.

@grey56 said:

Time -

I'd venture the proposition to you that because in fact

X-Factor

doesn't feature some of the more prominent characters is what makes its success all the more impressive.

Peter David

's ability to craft compelling, character driven stories where before there were only also-rans is a testament to his craft.

More than that though - going to X-Factor for the same type of stories told in the other X books (which by and large have been terrible for going on 9 years with the exception of Whedon's Astonishing) is a fraudulent pursuit. It was designed to tell a different type of story. And in almost every critical corner of the comic universe it found universal acclaim.

Lastly though; the continuity of David's presence isn't something to be undersold. When was the last time you can recall having a writer or artist present for over 50 issues on one title? You can cite

The Walking Dead

or other creator owned properties on

Image

or other 3rd party publishers - but not at the big 2. I challenge you to find one. When you do - you'll find that it was.......Peter David. When he wrote the first 47 issues of

Aquaman

.

On a side note - Batman wins.

I think you identify a real problem in X-Men comics. A real flaw in X-Men comics. Really bad decisions being made by Marvel, Marvel has made a lot bad decisions over the last couple of years.

They let Peter David create X-Factor investigations and they let him be the writer for X-Factor investigations for about 7 years. X-Factor is a good series, thanks to Peter David.

While that happen they fail the other X-Men titles

Uncanny X-Men, the flagship title. The title that supposed to be the best X-Men title and it end up being one of the worst X-Men titles.

Marvel hired Matt Fraction and Kieron Gillen to work on Uncanny X-Men. Matt Fraction has worst X-Men run in X-Men history, he was writer of Uncanny X-Men for four years and then Kieron Gillen series was as boring as hell. So Uncanny X-Men has been rubbish for 6 years.

Then there Wolverine and X-Men title which started in 2011, it been rubbish series for three years now.

Then there is Astonishing X-Men which has been rubbish since Joss Whedon left. It's been rubbish for 6 years. In fact, I only liked 2 stories over the last 6 years from Astonishing X-Men.

Very well saying Peter David has had one of the best X-Men titles. Let's be honest here, he hasn't had much competition from the other titles, most of them have been rubbish over the last 6 years.

If those titles above had better writers over the last 6 years, they would be better than X-Factor Investigations.

Saying that, Kyle and Yost X-Force is much better series that X-Factor Investigations and so is Uncanny X-Force, Rick Remender series. Both X-Force titles have been better than X-Factor.

Then there the characters, Madrox, Layler Miller, Siryn and Monet and the others, are good characters, but are they better then the other X-Men characters. Are they better then likes of Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Kitty, Iceman and Colossus ? No there not. Most fans care more about the main X-Men characters, then they do about other characters in the X-Men franchise. Which is why X-Factor investigations makes my list. How can be consider as one of the best X-Men titles, if doesn't involved best X-Men characters. It doesn't involved the main X-Men.

Peter David has written the X-Factor characters very well. While a lot of good X-Men characters have suffered at the hand of other writers. Storm, Magneto, Gambit, Bishop and even Iceman has been written terrible over last couple years. Iceman has only been good this year.

I think if Peter David work on the other X-Men titles, like Uncanny X-Men, then that title will more likely be better than X-Factor investigations.

I give Peter David credit, he been loyal to X-Factor and created a good series, with good characters. He manage to keep the X-Factor separate from most of the X-Men events like Avengers vs X-Men, that's credit too his writing. That doesn't mean he has the best X-Men series.

Peter David reminds of Brian Wood. Brian Wood is a good writer too and he some decent runs like Ultimate comics X-Men and his work on X-Men. Marvel have been smart when it comes to Brian Wood. They given him another X-Men title. They have allowed him to created a title dedicated to X-ladies, the first of it's kind. Brian Wood can pick most of ladies in the title. The series only started in June and come next year, it probley end up being one of the best X-Men titles.

That's Marvel being smart, they haven't been smart of the last 6 years and allowing Peter David to work only one series for 7 years , while that happen they given Uncanny X-Men to Matt Fraction.

If we are talking about better X-Men runs. Chris Claremont run in the early 1980's is one the best X-Men runs ever. Fabian Nicieza run on X-Men in the early 1990's when he took over from Chris Claremont. Not only did he work on X-Men, but he work Uncanny X-Men, Wolverine, X-Force and wrote some of the Age of Apocalypse titles and that's within 5 years . He much better writer than Peter David. Come to think about Ultimate X-Men was a better series than X-Factor. The series lasted 9 years. Mark Miller started out as the writer of the series.

I also like point out that Marvel have hired a lot of writers to work on the titles and as a result most writers don't have long enough on that title. While Peter David has been given a long time to work one series.

Batman your favourite character. You going think he can beat anyone.

mostly all of them except Astonishing Xmen and X facot. I have yet to try those.

Posted by jonesy10

Wow. Hate much? You opinion doesn't matter very much, because more people enjoy these characters and creators than hate them and they matter more than you.