TimDrakeRedRobin

"You know what, I'm giving this one as a clean sweep to Team 2. Their hardest scenario being Scenario 4.  Jason and Tim have proven to be as tactical and well prepared as Bruce has of late, and we all know the trouble Jason has provided for both Bruce and Dick on his own. Cassandra adds a very valuable, and deadly H2H level to their team, when Tim on his own is already quite the fighter.   The team of three edges them out in all scenarios a good 7-8/10. "

" @SmoothJammin said:

" @DarcStorm: No.. in issue 2 of Red Robin, Tim was up against a random trio of assassins. Pru, Z and Owens the shooter. Horrible shooters at that. Anyways, RR was able to break Pru's nose and momentarily fend off Owens but when faced with Z(the black dude), he found him to be an even challenge. It was at that moment Tim knew the group was a little too much for him-but he held his own essentially fighting a losing battle until Ra's called off the hit. My point being, if ur teacher is the goddamn batman and ur faced with three armed thugs( seemingly untrained killers) how was he struggling to put them away??That shouldn't happen lol. In mere moments Jason would've swept in there, incapacitated the shooters and wiped the floor with Z. Red Robin has all the tools to succeed but he's too pragmatic, and with him the end will always justify the means. That's sometimes bad because he falls into the trap of overanalyzing and when his master plan isn't executed to perfection u best believe the kid's screwed without some form of luck/help. With Dick, when plan A gets tossed out the window he's able to adapt, making the most out of any given situation with phenomenal improv. You know it's bad when a hitman from the council of Spiders is able dispatch of Pru Z & Owens in one go then leaves Red Robin dying on the floor a bloody mess. Damian would've chopped the guys hands off before he let that happen lol. I respect Tim Drake the master tactician but without his gifted intellect he ain't sh*t. I vote he becomes the new oracle for Batman Inc. They'd probably fight to a standstill, anyways. "

They were members of the League of Assassins. They aren't untrained killers.   And why did this thread evolve into a Jason versus Tim debate? Jason isn't even in this fight. Tim and Bruce still win because Damian is down a lot faster than Grayson could take Tim, thus making it a 2 on 1 in favor of Bruce and Tim. "

Tim for sure. As Robin, Tim was the best hands down. Plus Tim made the Robin role into less of a sidekick and more of a crime fighter by doing things without batman quite often. i dont think Dick showed his real power untill he went off on his own as nightwing.  Tim also had better gear due to the time of his Robin career. Tim wins IMO

Batman would win...especially with the incentive of rescueing Tim.