What I want to know is why do you troll this site when you don't read comics?
The argument was SW Molecule Man and the Living Tribunal, it doesn't matter if that was then and this is now, the LT has not been under any power amp, if he were to fight SW MM again today, he would still get owned badly
@Tian said:
" Show me a more recent version of LT begging Beyonder, and then maybe you'd have a valid argument. "
it might help to actually buy a comic book, current Beyonder and Molecule Man have been ret conned numerous times now, the argument was PR Beyonder and SC MM "
Why do you assume that the comics has to show that he undergoes a poweramp?
The writers say he is the stronger, and so it is. They don't have to show him getting a poweramp. They simply just write it as so. Captain America has been getting stronger over the years, how many times did they amp his power in some way?
Fantastic Four vol.1, #319 Molecule man states he isn't as strong as LT or Eternity.
Again I really don't care for the fact whether or not you think LT is stronger. But I am arguing that LT right now is Omnipotent, and he would in fact curbstop the Watchers. You can argue it all you want that Beyonder is stronger, but you'll have me unconvinced because of the description that Marvel themselves give to LT. It's that simple.... how would you prove Beyonder is stronger than the current LT? When LT is 2nd only to TOAA?
@Dolph_Zigglar : " Well the thing, for one you have never read any issues of the blackest night or tie ins "
Oh I read it... Have you? Care to show me the scans of the GLs stopping time, dropping nukes, and having impervious shields? I'll wait.
"Oh ok, so you like to use low showings and cry about writing when GL does something, but when Magneto gets his hide tanned, you pass it off as bad writing
Face it, you like using double standards, you only use bad writing as an excuse when it favors your argument "
Magneto has show more consistency in his powers and what he is able to do, more than GL. That's the argument. When they are normal, and the writing is normal. Magneto beats those guys, but on the other hand GL isn't using his full potential. There is no double standard here. We're talking about under NORMAL circumstances.
" Maybe if you did the same thing for Magneto, truth be told you don't know much about him either, since one of the scans you tried to pass off as a credible feat, Magneto was using a device to amplfy his power "
Magneto has done a lot of stuff without having to amp up his power, any of which should be able to take out a normal GL, that doesn't have fanboy hax.
@Red_Blade: " So if he's so omnipotent, why did he practically beg Owen to fight the Beyonder? Because he couldn't do it himself, also read "The End" and See how powerful the LT is when it gets eaten up by the HOTU "
AGAIN... THAT WAS THEN. THIS IS NOW. If the writers today want to say LT is stronger than Beyonder, then it is so. End of discussion. I don't have to argue who is and who isn't stronger. What I am arguing is that LT right now is an Omnipotent being.
If the writers wanted to they could make Beyonder fight LT today couldn't they? And today LT would kick his ass, because he isn't below anybody but TOAA, if we're staying true to the current descriptions.
Show me a more recent version of LT begging Beyonder, and then maybe you'd have a valid argument.
@Dolph_Zigglar : So all you are going to do is repeat yourself? Your debating tactics are flawless
Maybe if you acknowledge the fact that GL isn't going to be as strong as you say he is on a normal basis.
"He doesn't have you use his full power, Iron Man, Black Bolt and Namor have all tanned his hide "
Bad writing. Normal basis Magneto is going to own all of them except for maybe Black Bolt.
"Because its false, every single person in this thread has acknowledged this except for you,"
Yea okay, because in the latest Blackest Night. GL is stopping time, and throwing nukes, and has an impervious shield against everyone. The only people in this thread that you're talking about is the 3 GL Fanboys here.
" Once again, ignore the cosmic cube storyline and acknowledge the fact that the Pre-Retcon Era actually happened. "
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but obviously all the details of that story aren't going to be true, based on what is canon today. Today LT is the strongest and answers to nobody but the writers. Frankly I don't even care if you want to argue who is stronger or not. But what I am arguing is that LT is Omnipotent. If you want to argue who is stronger,then that might be up to interpretation. But I'll go with the Canon story line of today or what I probably know for maybe the last 20 years.. and that is LT is omnipotent and answers to no one but TOAA.
@Dolph_Zigglar : You know we can go back and forth analyzing the things that have beaten and haven't beaten Magneto. But here's the fact. Magneto when written properly and normally is powerful. On the other hand when GL is written normally he's not that powerful. You're assuming GL is going to be going at lightspeeds, and dropping nukes everywhere. You know that to not be true.
And when it comes to it, Magneto at normally will have more than enough power to knock around GL in a normal state. Whether or not Magneto can withstand a hit from Thor or whatever is going to be based on the plot. I assume normally written though, he's going to be able to take a hit from Thor. If he can withstand a Nuke, he can withstand Thor.
Given the fact that Dr. Polaris can give the JLA so much trouble single handily. I'm going to assume that Magneto has more than enough to take out GL who isn't using his fullest potential. And that's something you won't even acknowledge... GL normally written is almost never using all his powers or reaching his full potential. All you guys do is rant how powerful he GL is, but you fail to acknowledge that he is almost never at that full power.
When it comes down to it Magneto when normally written, is going to be powerful and he's going to be using his most of his powers to a high degree of his own potential. GL is not.. Magneto wins if GL isn't prepped. We're not discussing what you would do with GL power. We're discussing what GL would do with his powers, and what Magneto would do with his. And on a normal circumstance Magneto is going to beat GL.
Marvel.com's definition of omnipotent is actually wrong, as they describe it as virtually limitless power:
"All-powerful. The term is also used generically to describe numerous beings possessing vast power, which, although not unlimited, by far surpasses that of most sentient beings. Among the known so-called omnipotents in the Marvel Universe are Galactus, the Celestials, the Watchers, the Stranger, and the Living Tribunal."
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Right then Beyonder or whoever you'd pick is also going to be described as to be having "virtually" limitless power. But the it still stands to believe that LT only answers to TOAA. He's already known to be stronger than Eternity. Based on current description and based on what happened with the infinity gauntlets when Thanos had them and defeated nearly every major Cosmic being, and yet LT is unaffected by it's powers and can render such power useless. I'd go with the fact that LT is omnipotent and can do anything the writers(TOAA) want him to do. "
It was stated throughout Secret Wars II that Beyonder was omnipotent and omnipresent. "
Again that was then and it was most likely PIS. This is now LT answers to nobody but the writer. He stands as the most powerful being in MU right now only next to TOAA(the writers)
Marvel.com's definition of omnipotent is actually wrong, as they describe it as
virtually
limitless power:
"All-powerful. The term is also used generically to describe numerous beings possessing vast power, which, although not unlimited, by far surpasses that of most sentient beings. Among the known so-called omnipotents in the Marvel Universe are Galactus, the Celestials, the Watchers, the Stranger, and the Living Tribunal."
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Right then Beyonder or whoever you'd pick is also going to be described as to be having "virtually" limitless power. But the it still stands to believe that LT only answers to TOAA. He's already known to be stronger than Eternity. Based on current description and based on what happened with the infinity gauntlets when Thanos had them and defeated nearly every major Cosmic being, and yet LT is unaffected by it's powers and can render such power useless. I'd go with the fact that LT is omnipotent and can do anything the writers(TOAA) want him to do.
I don't think anyone on Marvel.com is described as being as strong or anywhere near as strong as LT.
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