Team Captain America Vs Team Batman

Team Captain America

  • Captain America
  • Bucky Barnes (Winter Soldier)
  • Black Widow
  • Ultimate Hawkeye
  • Union Jack

Vs.

Team Batman

  • Batman
  • Nightwing (Dick Grayson)
  • Red Robin (Tim Drake)
  • Red Hood (Jason Todd)
  • Catwoman

Rules:

  • All canon feats are allowed.
  • No prep for either team.
  • Standard equipment for both teams.
  • No Morals

Locations:

  • Post Apocalyptic City
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Posted by ninjas4321

Even though i like batmans team more i will go with Captain America team after a long hard fight simply because of Captain America and black widow

Posted by Strider92

Going for team Cap. Isn't Union Jack superhuman?

Posted by Typhion

@ThexX:

You know, you're not playing by standard marvel fan rules when making battles against Batman characters. They're supposed to be horrible mismatches. What you've done here is make a terrific battle actually. Now apologize to your peers.

I'd break it down by category and give margins:

Physical Ability: Caps team has 2 bordline Supers. In a close fight, an edge in strength and speed is essential. Cap's team has the edge in raw physical ability. Give them a 2 point edge.

Experience: Nobody on either team is a stranger to combat. The morality being off is the big factor. Cap's team has been in plenty of fights, (ie war) where it was for keeps. Given Cap's team members have the edge in fighting with a kill as the objective, I'll give it to Cap's team again narrowly for experience. Give them a 1 point edge.

Intellect: People make the mistake of thinking being smart means making robots with a day's time ahead. That might go into it, but the big part of intellect is observing, reacting, and seizing small advantages on the fly. It provides a big advantage in utilization of terrain, adapting to fighting techniques, and off the cuff strategy. I don't know of any characters in either universe that excel at that more than Batman and his team. They have a pretty solid edge in this category. Give them a 3 point edge.

Gear: Both teams have solid baseline gear. Cap's shield is the iconic and extremely versatile piece, and there's something to be said for having an easy to use weapon/defensive piece as opposed to 8 gizmos. Hawkeye and BW are very good with ranged weapons as well. That will force team Bats to stay on the defensive most of the time, which narrows their strategy. The Bat family is highly capable of disarming both BW and Hawkeye, but in their time doing so, they'll be vulnerable to the rest of Caps team. Red Hood is not a peer to either of Marvel's marksmen, but he evens things up a bit. As for Batman's gear, its a little more diverse and plays an x-factor. It will give him the ability to attack from more angles. All said, I'd say 1 point edge to Cap's team.

Leadership: Really a push. Cap is a terrific inspirational leader, but Bats is no slouch in coordinating a team. I'd say it's an even push.

Looks like when tallied up, you get a 1 point win for Cap's team.

Edited by jashro44

From what I looked into on union jacks respect thread he should be able to hang with nightwing or anyone below his level for a bit at the very least. Ultimate hawkeye and Buckey are going to beat who ever they fight unless its batman as they are Superior in terms of skill. I would say team cap has the over all physical and skill advantage.

Heres the union jack respect thread if anyone wants to check it out.

http://www.comicvine.com/union-jack/29-3223/union-jack-respect-thread/92-631633/

Posted by ChaosBlazer

Union Jack is skilled enough with his guns to take out Red Hood. Fight should last pretty long.

Ultimate Hawkeye can take out Catwoman if they start out reasonably far apart.

Bucky can take Nightwing. His cybernetic arm and weapons should give him an edge here. This fight will last a while though.

Red Robin can maybe handle Natasha. Really don't know who wins this one, probably Natasha.

Batman vs Cap is a classic battle. However I give the edge to Batman with his better gear. Cap only has his shield, while Batman has cryo pellets, batarangs, smoke grenades, etc etc.

Batman then helps out Nightwing with Bucky. Batman and Nightwing take out Union Jack and Natasha, while Hawkeye is busy with Catwoman. In the end It think Bats team takes this.

Posted by stu

Team batman. more experience as a team,plus better equipment. Also team Batman as been in many fights with tones of superhumans and it was nevver a problem for them to ovorcome the odds.

Posted by p_rixx

With no prep team batman doesn't seem like a winning side to me. Who sees who first? Who has an advantage of the first blow and how far apart are they standing? Because if the team batman sees the other team first they gain a small amount of time to prepare, or at least study their opponents. in that case they have a pretty good chance to win. But without that prep time team batman can't really hurt cap's team. Especially since they have Ultimate version of Hawkeye that killed a room full of guards with his own fingernails he reaped from his fingers. He basically never misses, so without superhuman agility and speed team batman are quite vulnerable to ranged attacks.

And btw, are the morals on or off, beacause if they are off team batman gets an advantage as they are a) ready to kill b) can be very cunning (is it a right word?)

Posted by SlimJ87D

Man Ultimate Hawkeye is insane... he also has quite a bit of projectile weapons as standard equipment.

Posted by The_Tolman

Team Batman because... Batman. Ya know?

Posted by nickthedevil

Team America.

Edited by Pwok21

Team Cap, for the generally better team.

Posted by GhostRider2

Team Batman.

Posted by BloodsunX

Team Cap for the win.

Posted by TERMINATORXX

@The_Tolman said:

Team Batman because... Batman. Ya know?

Edited by TheMinister

Team Batman.

Union Jack vs Red Hood would be the longest battle. Red Hood is very agile and can dodge him for an extensive amount of time, while managing to get a couple hits in. Red Hood is probably the 2nd smartest on Team Batman. Red Hood and him could go at it forever. Once members of Team Batman finish their battles, they will come to help.

Bucky Barnes vs Nightwing would be similar to Union Jack and Red Hood fight. Both Bucky and Dick are very skilled but the location, I believe, gives Nightwing more of an advantage. Nightwing excels in H2H while Bucky enjoys using guns, he is great at H2H but Nightwing is better. Those bullets aren't going to manage to hit Nightwing with all the debris laying around. Dick has flashbangs which will easily stun Bucky. This battle could go either way.

Hawkeye vs Catwoman may be an easy fight. However, again, the location gives Catwoman an advantage. She is very smart and knows where to go. If she just manages to get Hawkeye to use up most of his arrows (should include how much in the op) then he will be vulnerable. Now I dont think Catwoman will kill Hawkeye. She knows to wait for help and it will come. Her agility, keeping her distance, and staying in a place where there is plenty of cover will make Hawkeye lose lots of arrows. He may eventually run out.

Black Widow vs Red Robin is another extensive battle. Widow is faster than RR while RR has better equipment. Widow would win in H2H but Tim would win if they keep their distance... and I feel that since the area is so large, that Tim and Natasha will start far apart. Tim would win this in a good fight.

Captain America vs Batman... the legendary battle. I dont know if this is just me but I think Batman stomps. His standard equipment is far too advanced for a super soldier. Captain America doesn't really stand a chance. Batman should take care of Captain America easily with his equipment. Batarangs, smoke grenades, incendiaries, flashbangs, and much more give Batman the edge. He is also much smarter than Steve. Batman should end this fight rather early and then go to assist his teammates. They start far out, he could just throw plenty of flashbangs while Steve is approaching. That will stun him and help Batman take out Steve a lot quicker. Probably the quickest fight.

Red Robin goes to assist Red Hood, who they overwhelm Union Jack and kill. Batman assists Nightwing and take down Bucky easily. 2 v 1. Batman orders Red Hood to stay back or stay low due to his extensive battle. Then Red Robin, Catwoman, Nightwing, and Batman all team up and kill the main threat on Team Captain America, Ultimate Hawkeye.

Team Batman wins!

Posted by AncientAliens99

@TheMinister said:

Team Batman.

Union Jack vs Red Hood would be the longest battle. Red Hood is very agile and can dodge him for an extensive amount of time, while managing to get a couple hits in. Union Jack would win in the end. Red Hood is probably the 2nd smartest on Team Batman. Union Jack is an easy kill when the battle is done. He will be worn out.

Bucky Barnes vs Nightwing would be similar to Union Jack and Red Hood fight. Both Bucky and Dick are very skilled but the location, I believe, gives Nightwing more of an advantage. Nightwing excels in H2H while Bucky enjoys using guns, he is great at H2H but Nightwing is better. Those bullets aren't going to manage to hit Nightwing with all the debris laying around. Dick has flashbangs which will easily stun Bucky. This battle could go either way.

Hawkeye vs Catwoman may be an easy fight. However, again, the location gives Catwoman an advantage. She is very smart and knows where to go. If she just manages to get Hawkeye to use up most of his arrows (should include how much in the op) then he will be vulnerable. Now I dont think Catwoman will kill Hawkeye. She knows to wait for help and it will come.

Black Widow vs Red Robin is another extensive battle. Widow is faster than RR while RR has better equipment. Widow would win in H2H but Tim would win if they keep their distance... and I feel that since the area is so large, that Tim and Natasha will start far apart. Tim would win this in a good fight.

Captain America vs Batman... the legendary battle. I dont know if this is just me but I think Batman stomps. His standard equipment is far too advanced for a super soldier. Captain America doesn't really stand a chance. Batman should own Captain America easily with his equipment. Batarangs, smoke grenades, incendiaries, flashbangs, and much more give Batman the edge.

Now, Batman takes down a worn out Union Jack easily. Red Robin goes to assist Catwoman, who realize they may need more help. Batman assists Nightwing and take down Bucky easily. 2 v 1. Then Red Robin, Catwoman, Nightwing, and Batman all team up and kill the main threat on Team Captain America, Ultimate Hawkeye.

Team Batman are sad they lost their beloved Jason Todd but they go to have drinks shortly after.

Well put!

Posted by Shawnbaby

I'm going with Team Cap.

Batman versus Cap - a long fight that I believe Cap eventually wins due to his resistance to Fatigue.

Ultimate Hawkeye vs Red Hood - Barton wins. No question.

Black Widow vs Catwoman - If morals were on....I'd probably go with Catwoman...as it stands...this might go either way. Still leaning a bit more towards Catwoman though.

Bucky vs Nightwing - Morals on, Bucky wins after a good fight. Morals off, Bucky wins much quicker. Dick lacks that Killing Instinct.

Union Jack vs Red Robin - Union Jack has the edge here in Strength, Speed and Endurance.

Posted by ThexX

Bump

Posted by sync1

I'd have to say batman's team. Red Robin with the bullet proof cape, along with Jason covering him? Bat's team wins, but it would be a VERY close match.

Posted by MadeinBangladesh

Batfamily

Posted by ghost_rider1

Team Cap

Posted by ThexX

Bump

Posted by Alexander505

Team Batman win.

Posted by Oni_Bane

Team Cap

Posted by JasonTodd323

Some people here think that team batman has a disadvantage because they don't have prep time while it would give them an advantage it wouldn't give them a disadvantage just because they work well with prep time does not mean that they are useless without it team batman is smart they can adapt to the situation and figure out a plan by reading their fighting styles and trying ways to weaken caps team figuring out the other teams strengths to find out their weaknesses.

Also I see people saying that caps team has winter soldier and his robotic arm and saying this would change up the battle in caps favour but almost every member of the batfamily carries E.M.P's that could render Winter soldier's arm useless and could quickly take him out.

Not to mention people not realising that Nightwing, Red Hood and Red Robin work extremely well together you got the best acrobat in all of DC then someone who has led The League of Assassins and beaten the shit out of Batman himself and someone who's detective skills rival Batman's and to top it all off they're all brothers who would have no one else fighting by their sides then each other.

But with all that said caps team could win in this fight I was pointing things that may help people in their decisions on who wins but personally I think team batman would win but Catwoman would definitely die but if that happened then caps team would be fucked cause Tim, Jason and Dick think of her as their mother and Jason em corporates anger into his fighting style.

Posted by newecho

@jasontodd323:

the emp thing doesn't work on bucky's arm...and as far as working well together,, team America works just as well... now who wins?? Idk... lots of variables.... team America is more ruthless

Edited by aftershafter

Giving it to team Cap.... Superior physicals and better teamwork VS better intelligence and stealth with roughly equal strategic ability favouring different areas. Team Bats takes it handily with prep, however cliché that is, but team Cap is too much beef for the bat family in a straight up fight.

Posted by JasonTodd323

@newecho

Caps team is ruthless we'll think about this when Jason Todd was a kid he robbed a convenience store with his friend while Jason was calming a woman down he accidentally said his name to the woman so his friend killed the woman and while they were getting away Jason killed his friend because he felt bad now this is before he became Robin and Batman mentally tortured the man who killed his parents and that guy killed himself. And it is possible that an E.M.P could take Bucky's arm down.

Posted by Nefarious

Team Cap.

Posted by Speedster101

Team Cap. There physical advantages will over whelm them.

Posted by TheBournePoster
Posted by newecho

@jasontodd323:

You are right in your view but overall the cap team uses more ruthless measures ie they will kill and minus todd and maybe cain in the right mindset, the bats team won't... I really don't know who wins this fight... experience and physicals are on the cap team side and more skill and gadgets are on the bats team side so really it is a toss up...