TheTmac

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@TheTmac said:

@PrinceAragorn1: Gandalf is not on the same level as the Valar and nowhere does it say that he helped create the World. He is not on World level and you have yet to post a single feat of his. Dumbledore turns Gandalf and Saurman into toads they have no way of winning this. Saruman was killed by a guy with a knife.

I've said it already: Gandalf is one of the Ainur, who created the world with eru.

Gandalf doesn't have to be on the same level as valar here. Dumbledore and harry's full power, combined, is nowhere close to world level. Weakest of the maiar are enough to lolstomp hogwarts, provided they're using full forms.

I've been saying it. I'm not talking about the physical forms. I've agreed that harry potter wizards are better compared to physical forms, but putting them against world creators is nothing but retarded fanboyism.

I am not talking about anykind of full forms. I am talking about movie Gandalf and Saruman vs movie Dumbledore and HP. Dumbledore solos them both.

@Rumble Man: Does Smaug have resistance to magic?

@Rumble Man said:

@TheTmac: Smaug sh!ts on those little dragons

Yes Smaug would beat them, but the basilisk would beat Smaug.

@PrinceAragorn1: Gandalf is not on the same level as the Valar and nowhere does it say that he helped create the World. He is not on World level and you have yet to post a single feat of his. Dumbledore turns Gandalf and Saurman into toads they have no way of winning this. Saruman was killed by a guy with a knife.

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@TheTmac said:

@PrinceAragorn1:So you are saying Gandalf created the world? Albus would rape Gandalf, this ancient magic is nothing compared to Dumbledore and Voldemorts spells. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT LOTR DRAGONS HAVE ANY KIND OF PROTECTION FROM MAGIC SPELLS. Get that in your thick skull. I dont care what the Aniur did, Gandalf did not create the world and has no feats at all.

Yes riding on a broom is a far superior feat to anything Gnadalf has done. Do me a favor and get off Gandalfs ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Vyhve9gtg

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UunqBAHBDo8

who do you think would win?

Biased fanboys like yourself make me sick.

I didn't say Gandalf created the world. I said he was a "part of world creation", being one of the Ainur. considering ancient magic broke voldemort down to shadow form, and he wasn't able to do anything at all with about an year of prep against the ancient protection on harry in his house, their magic isn't even close to the ancient magic. It's Ainur, btw. And Gandalf is one of them, putting him on world level.

Getting down to cheap insults now, are we? It's fascinating how a troll's mind works..

I'd highly recommend taking a break to cool your head for a while.. considering You're writing the same comment twice, and using the using reply button twice in one of them, giving me three alerts in total for a single comment..

You're the one saying riding on broom > creating the world and I'm the fanboy? Yeah, right.

Gnadalf was not even part of the world creation, your putting Gandalf on world level now hm? Man so much fanboyism. And for the last time stop comparing ancient magic in LOTR to the one in HP they are not the same at all. Yeah i accidentally hit the post button twice so what? Albus is superior to Gnadalf in all of his showing and nothing you say or do can change that.

"Gandalf is on world level" yeah right,

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@PrinceAragorn1 Here we go again, goodness help me get through this one.

Don't want to sound like a boring lecturer, but basically, power can be represented in two ways.. objective, or implied. Tolkein Greatly favored the second one, and you're using the first one to judge the characters, I'm not saying what you should do, just telling you where you're going wrong.

I'd like to see feats.

To give an example (and meant to keep an example, not "you're off topic!", "they're not in the fight!" and stuff), spiderman has more feats compared to, suppose, some nameless/featless celestial

Not relevant to the battle at all. At all. In reality, there is not one featless celestial, also TOAA isn't featless either - He created the Multiverse and is omnipotent. Enough feats for me.

Similarly, a bunch of magic users aren't going to fare good against magic lightyears ahead of them. "Creation" is their feat, as they were in it along with Gods

This means nothing. This is speculation. I want to see battle feats, I do not care if it's "lightyears ahead of them". We have very little feats, Tolkien is very vague, and Saruman is featless without his mind control (which won't work here).

lol read the complete comment before replying, at least. I was telling you, not you actually, but the other guy, unless it's an alt, you're using objective/feats approach for judging implied power.

And creation being a feat isn't a speculation.

And on the record, we don't even know how may celestials are there. It's an entire race, they're lot of unnamed ones.

Mentionably, stunning spells etc. don't work on dragons because of the ancient magic in their hides. How these spells are supposed to work against being older than time is beyond me. Harry potter magic is far more objective and technical, but it's far too low level to affect world level beings.

Just like there are spells for DEMENTORS (Soul sucking beings) there are specific spells for Dragons. Disagree? Show me J.K rowling disagreeing with me. Older magic, once again, means nothing. Nothing at all. I want to see feats and proof that HP spells don't work on LOTR. I want to see proof, feats, PROOF, feats, PROOF, canon PROOF. Not your word, Aragorn.

First, you should so rolling agreeing with you, not that I care, and second, the wizards have always been stumped by older magic. I'll give you proof in a moment.

Besides, Voldemort was owned by ancient magic once

More of your d*mn lowballing. Where does it end? No, Voldemort was not owned by ancient magic. Snape did say the Dark Lord can not get into Hogwarts because of ancient spells, but that doesn't mean owned. I mean, Gandalf couldn't kill the Witch King, does that mean he was owned by the Witch King? He didn't face Sauron, was he owned by Sauron? This makes no sense.

was unable to do anything against ancient magic protecting in-house harry, Dumbledore admitted that the old protections were better than any of the complex spells he had. How do you even expect them to stand up against magic older than time?

I expect you to show me feats from the books. You are being speculative and imaginative. Show me feats, feats feats and feats. Example, arguably without the ring Dumbledore could kill Sauron. Based on feats. Based on speculation and hate for HP Dumbledore gets stomped- but Sauron was killed by a dog. Dumbledore planned his death. Which one is more better?

Harry and Dumbledore take this.

I'm talking about the time he was broken by the ancient protection on harry due to sacrifice. That's pretty much getting owned, turning to a shadow like thing which can't even lift a wand properly. And after an year of prep, the whole group wasn't able to lift the ancient enchantment protecting harry till he called no. 4 as his house. Dumbledore said he's more faith in the ancient protection, as even the most complex of his spells could be broken by voldemort. In short: most complex spells: breakable, ancient magic: unbroken after year of prep.

Sauron was killed by a dog? what are you talking about? Still, dying in fight>suicide.

Basically,

Dragons: Stunners didn't work well on them due to ancient magical protection.

Voldemort: Got reduced to almost nothing when he messed with ancient magic. Was unable to break the ancient enchantment on harry.

They're pretty much out of their depth when it comes to ancient magic. And you're putting them against magic older than time. And saying they stomp. Yeah, Very logical. /sarcasm..

ANCIENT MAGIC IN HP IS NOT THE SAME AS IN LOTR GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD.

@PrinceAragorn1:

@PrinceAragorn1:So you are saying Gandalf created the world? Albus would rape Gandalf, this ancient magic is nothing compared to Dumbledore and Voldemorts spells. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT LOTR DRAGONS HAVE ANY KIND OF PROTECTION FROM MAGIC SPELLS. Get that in your thick skull. I dont care what the Aniur did, Gandalf did not create the world and has no feats at all.

Yes riding on a broom is a far superior feat to anything Gnadalf has done. Do me a favor and get off Gandalfs ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Vyhve9gtg

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UunqBAHBDo8

who do you think would win?

Biased fanboys like yourself make me sick.

@PrinceAragorn1: Flying on brooms and transfiguring stuff are far greater feats than any LOTR character has. What will Gnadalf do when Dumbledore turns him into a toad? Ancient magic in LOTR is not the same as in HP so the Voldemort example was a bad one. I can see you are a biased LOTR fanboy by your username. Nowhere does it say that any character in LOTR is immune to magic so all of the HP spells will work, regardless of how ANCIENT they are. And I dont know what you were trying to prove with the whole Spiderman vs Celestial thing, it has nothing to do with anything and even using it as a comparison makes no sense since celestials have established feats unlike your LOTR characters.

Gandalf,Saruman, Ungoliant, Sauron.... None of these have "Creation" as their feat wtf are you talking about. If you are talking about the Valars that helped create the world then fine, but nowhere did I mention them and they are not even in this battle so what is the point of bringing them up.

Albus could solo Gandalf and Saruman without breaking a sweat.

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@TheTmac said:

@Kingjohnrocks: Why do you care? It was proven that HP wins so we are debating someting else.

Actually, it was just two sides arguing over stuff and one suddenly starting declaring, 'omg, this side's the winner..' Nothing more.

HP wins this easily unless you want to post some feats.

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@TheTmac: Something that scared morgoth isn't going to be bothered by singing birds and staring snakes..

Just admit that you have no concrete feats, certainly none of Ung resisting a migic spell, all you can say is he is ANCIENT. Who cares if he is ancient if ha can be put down by any kid with a wand in HP.

Say what you want about the birds and the snakes but they have better feats than your LOTR characters.