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𝕋𝕙𝕖 𝕊𝕥𝕣𝕠𝕟𝕘𝕖𝕤𝕥 𝔻𝕖𝕧𝕚𝕝–ℍ𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕣

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𝑰𝒕'𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒂𝒃𝒐𝒖𝒕 𝒍𝒐𝒔𝒔... 𝑺𝒕𝒓𝒆𝒏𝒈𝒕𝒉 𝒊𝒔 𝒂 𝒄𝒉𝒐𝒊𝒄𝒆. 𝑭𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒍𝒊𝒌𝒆 𝒉𝒆𝒍𝒍 𝒕𝒐 𝒑𝒓𝒐𝒕𝒆𝒄𝒕 𝒘𝒉𝒂𝒕'𝒔 𝒊𝒎𝒑𝒐𝒓𝒕𝒂𝒏𝒕. 𝒀𝒐𝒖 𝒕𝒉𝒓𝒆𝒘 𝒂𝒘𝒂𝒚 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓 𝒉𝒂𝒅... 𝑵𝒐 𝒘𝒐𝒏𝒅𝒆𝒓 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒉𝒂𝒗𝒆 𝒏𝒐 𝒕𝒓𝒖𝒆 𝒑𝒐𝒘𝒆𝒓! „ ~ 𝑫𝒂𝒏𝒕𝒆 𝒕𝒐 𝑼𝒓𝒊𝒛𝒆𝒏

𝔅𝔞𝔱𝔱𝔩𝔢–𝔐𝔲𝔰𝔦𝔠

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𝔇𝔞𝔱𝔞

CategoryDante
CreatorHideki Kamiya
First Appeared inDevil May Cry (23 August 2001)
WeaponPlenty, some notable are Rebellion, Yamato and Ebony-Ivory
SobriquetThe Strongest Devil-Hunter, The Son of Sparda
AttitudePlayful, loves to fight and joke around, has a strong moral compass and sense of responsibility.
Skills and PowersImmense Demonic–Energy reserves and incomparable skill in everything
Time of Deathis alive and kicking

ℑ𝔫𝔱𝔯𝔬𝔡𝔲𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫

Born from the strongest Demon, Sparda and a Mere human, Eva, Dante is a half demon-half human entity, born with the soul of Sparda, he was blessed with an incomparable connection to the demonic world, via his unnaturally massive reserves of Demonic Energy, Dante's potential far exceeded that of even Sparda.

as a child, Dante lost Sparda when Sparda...simply dissapeared, not confirmed alive or dead, shortly later, due to the absence of Sparda, Dante's mother fell to demons, this led to Dante growing up alone, becoming a powerful Devil-Hunter with his own Devil-Hunting organisation he called "Devil May Cry".

Later on, Dante had his Devil Awakening, as time progressed Dante delved deeper and deeper into the powers he gained from having Sparda's blood and soul, this growth accelerated by the sudden appearance of the Prince of Darkness and The Femon God, Mundus, Dante stood against Mundus in a clash of cosmic proportions, just as Sparda had done before him.

with his victory over the Demon Gods and Emperors, Mundus and Argosax the Chaos, and him continously singlehandedly battling away all threatning demons, Dante gained the title of The Strongest Devil–Hunter.

𝔎𝔢𝔶-𝔗𝔢𝔯𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔶

Here I'm going to discuss some key terminology that you should keep in mind when reading the post, just so that there are zero confusions and so that you will be able to understand the points better.

  1. 𝔇𝔢𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔠 𝔈𝔫𝔢𝔯𝔤𝔶 – It's the energy a demon gets from their connection to the Demonic Realm, the innate power that circulates throughout the Demon World and is something present very much in every demon, it warps things that it touches, turns mortal souls into demonic souls and with prolonged exposure, turns the entireity of the human realm into demonic realm, the very nature of Demonic energy is to warp and twist things. Demonic Energy is also called The power of the Demon World for obvious reasons.
  2. 𝔇𝔢𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔠 𝔓𝔥𝔶𝔰𝔦𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔶 – Demons are Primordial entities, and their physiology gives us an idea of their abstract nature, Demons seem to ignore a lot of phenomenos even to the lowest levels, They're abstract as their physical forms are not close to their true essence, being just physical manifestations of their true essence and their demonic core – Life, Soul, Mind and so forth can ressurect a demon fully but a demon doesn't even need those basic components to exist in some capacity, Demonic physiology is something I will discuss indepth in this debate if need arises, but for now just keep in mind that in Devil May Cry, applying to both Demons and Humans, Soul in Devil May cry, for both demon and men, contains Mind, Life, Powers and Energy.
  3. 𝔇𝔢𝔪𝔬𝔫 ℜ𝔢𝔞𝔩𝔪 – Demon Realm is the larger world of Devil May Cry, one circulated and shaped by Demonic Energy and the Tree of Qipiloth, it's an abstract realm, twisted from many perspectives, temporally, physically and so forth. Demon Realm is what Argosax the Chaos's existence was turning Human realm into. Demon Realm is also called "Heaven" or "Darkness".

𝔖𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔲𝔭 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔗𝔞𝔟𝔩𝔢 – 𝔗𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔤𝔰 𝔱𝔬 ℜ𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔟𝔢𝔯

in this section, I will drop context on some of the concepts, characters and names that would be mentioned throughout the post, this will eventually make it easier for people to understand the feats and relevance of characters, this is mostly gonna be a lore drop so if you're familiar with Devil May Cry lore or believe you're capable of keeping up with all the presented evidence below without understanding the lore, then feel free to scroll down, but to explain the DMC world, we will start with the very beginning of everything.

The World was Born of Darkness...

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in the beginning, The Heaven and Earth were one, Heaven referencing the world of Demons and The Earth referencing the world of Humans, Heaven and Earth being one led to an interesting phenomenon, where the borders were spilled, and the chaos of Heaven spilled into the stability of Earth and this led to the pure, complete instability, the primordial instability that led to death from all sides.

The Truth is, the Human world and Demon World are simply not meant to be one, if they're one then this phenomenon of instability leading to Chaos occurs, the pure chaos that goes right in the face of anyone intending to tame the world, anyone who wants to rule the worlds will be unable to as the worlds, due to shared existence, are volatile and completely unstable, this all however, came to an end one day.

Then came a Ray of Light...

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In response to this instability, it was the first Demon Emperor, Pluto who separated the heaven from Earth forever, and ruled over the Demon world himself, he put a seal to make sure that they never are merged into one ever again and with this action, The Light became the Human world and the Darkness became the Demon World, The separation led to mutual stability of the dimensions, and allow Pluto to rule over the Demon World in peace for an eternity.

Mundus and his Ascension...

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Mundus was a general of the Demon Emperor, a very powerful Demon but still, just a Demon, but once he gained the Fruit of Qipiloth, after a thousand betrayals and murders he was able to consume the Fruit and he gained powers astronomically beyond any other demon at the time, bar potentially the Demon Emperor, with his new powers, Mundus killed his master and became the Demon God himself, free to rule with the boundless strength he gained from the fruit of Qipiloth, as the above scan shows, Mundus's eyes turned toward the Human world, not sharing the same mentality aa the previous Demon Emperors, Mundus did not care about the instability born when Heaven and Earth exist as one, this difference eventually led to Mundus planning an invasion of Human world but before, he tested out his powers, creating many demonic entities to complement his army and personal powers.

The Perfect Nightmare...

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Nightmare was a being created by Mundus, the perfect Bioweapon, Nightmare had immense physical strength and mental powers, it was born without any form of will or personal ambition, and was completely submissive to the Demon Emperor Mundus, its creator, and that is why Mundus used Nightmare as a weapon sometimes in combat and used to wear it on his arm. knowing that Nightmare is capable of lifting and slamming the whole structure of the Demon Realm, Mundus pit sealing stones to seal down Nightmare's powers in his absence, and thus Nightmare became Mundus's main/perfect attack dog.

The Key to Omniscience, The Beastheads...

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The Beasthead was another demon created by Mundus, of primordial nature, The Beasthead was created for two purposes, The Beasthead is a power that can turn human souls into demonic energy, via a long process of disintegrating matter to pure energy, warping it and so forth, Beastheads work as a generator for Demonic Energy, Turning human souls into demonic energy via a long-winded process. Secondly, the Beastheads are the key to omniscience, capable of viewing everything perfectly, the three heads have complete dominion over the three dimensions of time, capable of viewing all of history and the future instantly and seeing even beyond the future to parallel universes and timelines. The Beastheads' precognition is the key to limitless information and understanding. now that his creations are discussed, let's move on to the second Demon God, and Mundus's Greatest rival.

Argosax, Despair itself...

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Born from the very fabric of the demon world, Argosax the Despair and Chaos was the Demon Emperor created in response to Mundus's treachery, the perfect embodiment of the demon world, Argosax had powers of every single demon, his very existence embodied the demon world, his demonic energy so great and powerful that even his existence in the human world was as if the demonic world was about to consume and eat the human world, his mere existence almost turned the human world into the demon world. Argosax and Mundus battled for a thousand years in a perfect stalemate, eventually, the demon world was split into two, half was under Argosax's rule, and the other half under Mundus.

The Dark Knight who destroyed Mundus's invasion...

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When Mundus planned his invasion of the Human world and the merging of the two realms, one of his own Generals had unlocked new powers and strength not even the Qipiloth Tree could grant Mundus, power not even the demon world itself could outdo, this power was unlocked because, unlike every other demon, this one general didn't fight for self-serving goals, he fought for the greater good and to protect those who cannot protect themselves, this general was named Sparda. Sparda alone stood against Mundus and his generals, in a battle to determine the fate of the universe, Sparda singlehandedly defeated Mundus and his generals and sealed them away with his unmatched sealing prowess, knowing Argosax would also attempt to merge the worlds, as merging the worlds was a desire for Mundus but for Argosax? it was its very instincts to revert everything back to demonic nature, Sparda sealed away the entire demon world on that day. Eventually, a human summoned Argosax into the human world, who a weakened Sparda also defeated and with the help of some mages, managed to seal...and then Sparda disappeared, reasons unknown...but his soul was inherited by his two sons, Vergil and Dante.

Sparda's successor...

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Sparda's solution was abusing sealing, but even then, His solutions weren't permanent, eventually both Mundus and Argosax were free, as the seals broke, but what they were met by wasn't Sparda, but someone who inherited Sparda's power and soul, and most importantly, his love for humanity and that someone was Dante. Dante destroyed Mundus, sealed away his powers and sealed him away entirely. Dante then destroyed Argosax and killed it permanently, he destroyed Nightmare, he destroyed Mundus's generals and even destroyed the Beastheads, as well as became Humanity's greatest defender, same as Sparda, but at the end, Dante went past Sparda as well, and thus becoming the strongest known character in Devil May Cry History.

𝔓𝔞𝔯𝔱 ℑ – 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔓𝔬𝔴𝔢𝔯 𝔬𝔣 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔖𝔱𝔯𝔬𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔰𝔱 𝔇𝔢𝔳𝔦𝔩-ℌ𝔲𝔫𝔱𝔢𝔯

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frankly, I don't need to mention as much as you did to match your power level and attack potency, the above is a being called Saviour, the culmination of countless demonic entities into one single existence, the Saviour after losing Nero which would severely affect its powers, is capable enough to construct recreations of the conventional world, the said existence was doing it very easily, seconds at most if you want to put it in numbers.

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This is largely impressive due to the consistent existence of suns in some of these realms.

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And yes, when I say consistent I do mean consistent, so we've one sun and then the existence of a planet and then the existence of a moon.

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as I've displayed already, the construction of the realms is near-instant and effortless, but for sure measure, I will post all the instances where the construction of the realms is shown to be near-instant.

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as explained, Demonic energy is inherently tied to power and thus it's basically Saviour's demonic energy taking dimensional shapes and constructing at least three separate celestial bodies, A Star, a Moon and an Earth all done nearly instantly as we can see on-panel. another thing, Saviour's destructive capabilities directly are implied to be similar to his creation capabilities, considering Saviour was considered to be capable of destroying and recreating the world in the same sentence, this goes in consistent with Saviour with less demonic energy than 100% due to the crystals breaking and Nero splitting, the remaining demonic energy can still easily construct dimensions with sun-moon-earth trio.

"The purpose of the Order was to build an ideal homeland...only those who are chosen by God...the paradise that is eligible to live...in order to change the now decaying world...we have to do this...in order to create a new world, we had to set off huge chaos and destroy the world...

Deadly Fortune

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The sound came from afar, although it was a lot weaker, but Dante smiled and heard the contents of it. It was too funny to call out the demons and then destroy them to be heroes. However, the high voice of the Pope continues:

"Come on, come and pray! Give a hymn! When the world is not destroyed!"

Dante felt that they were really desperate, and appreciative applause. Dante has witnessed many wicked people who are self-proclaimed heroes.

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And Dante was capable of battling the Saviour for an extended amount of time and besting it, thus besting beings with the casual energy to perform Star-level feats, if you need I can post the calculated results for the Saviour's power, they all come at Star-level.

thus in a contest of clashing energy attacks, Joie would not come even close to overpowering Dante, or even Saviour for that matter.

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Nightmare, a being with no will, created by the earlier demon kings is the embodiment of ruin and destruction, Nightmare was such a powerful monster that it was sealed away by Mundus because he knew that Nightmare could lay waste to all of Demon World, which was more or less Mundus's kingdom, the nature of the destruction was not stated in the manga but it was stated in another source which quite literally states that the Demon World would perish if Nightmare is to be released and then we've another source detailing the actual method of destruction, the method being the literal lifting and slamming of the demon world and thus destroying it.

now, with all that out of the way, we need to discuss the nature of the demon realm it's size and dimensions have to be conversed upon for us to reach a good judgement on what level this narrative puts the nightmare's physical strength on, first of all we will look at the Mirror world which is a replica of the human world and as we can see, it contains a sun, we don't know the area the terms of "demon world," and "human world" cover and bind but that is certainly a measure, the replica of human realm containing the sun, moon and the earth similar to before.

now with that in mind, we've an official source showing us how the human realm and demon realm stack up to each other, the human realm seems to be smaller of the two if anything.

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𝔓𝔞𝔯𝔱 ℑℑ - ℭ𝔬𝔪𝔟𝔦𝔫𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔖𝔭𝔢𝔢𝔡 𝔴𝔦𝔱𝔥 𝔖𝔨𝔦𝔩𝔩

Simply speaking, Joie is not fast enough to outpace Dante, because as earlier shown Dante's stats function at the absolute pinnacle of the tournament but in addition, his skill makes him more or less untouchable for most present in the tournament, I will display this here, first let's look at Dante vs Mundus in Devil May Cry I, Mundus constructs a universe and flies away, they battle each other while flying through the stars.

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now a conventional quantification of this feat is nearly the realm of impossibility, but something I noticed recently was how they traversed from a distance where every star looked just like another star to a distance where they reached a rocky planet clearly with an atmosphere, storms and so forth, clearly reaching at least a certain distance from one of the stars, thus reducing the distance between their initial positioning and one of the Stars.

clearly, the planet would need the Sun's energy to have a storm, a gravitational force to keep it active from a geothermic perspective and so forth, thus the Planet being reasonably close to one of the Stars that seemed very distant in the first video I posted.

now, for quantification's sake, let's look at the planet itself.

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taking the Solar System as analogous to our solar system, we can identify the place as a part of an inner solar system, considering the rocky and solid structure of the planet, so now let's function with two options, Earth and Venus.

It cannot be Earth due to the distinct lack of Water or life, so we go on to Venus being the perfect place, not literally Venus but the distance between the Star and the planet is equivalent to the distance between the Sun and Venus, contextually we will take the distance between this planet and it's star as equivalent to the Venus's perihelion, which is about 0.72AU.

Final Distance = 0.72AU from Star.

At a point where the Sun starts seeming like just any star, lowballing, would be Pluto's aphelion which is about 49.5AU

initial Distance = 49.5AU from Star

so taking that into account, we have our starting point and ending point, and can simply calculate the distance travelled by Mundus and Dante while fighting

Distance Travelled = 49.5-0.72AU = 48.777AU

just 1AU is equal to one hundred Forty-Nine Million Kilometers, and in this context, there is 48.77AU being travelled casually while fighting, more or less, in the midst of their battle Dante and Mundus casually crossed 7.4-Billion-Kilometers and now, to take the timeframe, realistically Dante back in Devil May Cry III had relativistic feats very consistent when he was far weaker than Mundus fight version, but for the sake of no calc stacking, I'm gonna assume the feat was done in 30 seconds, which is a literal eternity from the perspective of characters this fast.

Putting it in numbers?

Speed = Distance/Time = 7,445,486,069km/30s = 248,182,867.98km per second.

Dante was crossing 248 Million kilometres in a single second while casually fighting someone else, in numbers that is about 827 times the speed of light, operating yet again near the limits of the tournament for both Dante and Mundus.

but this is not where it ends, we've seen speed, now let's move on to skill

in the Devil May Cry II novel, we meet an alternate version of Mundus, one more powerful that has gained oneness with an infinite Void, who attacks and fights Dante, Void Mundus was implied superior to the original version and thus he gets the same attack speed and scale as above aka operating near the limits of the tournament, and this comes with the added benefits of omnipresence as he is described to be everyone in this void/darkness, the darkness that encompasses the whole void and is an infinite void.

It was terribly dark for a human, accompanied by echoes that evokes despair to those who hear it. It was no longer a laughter of this world. Beryl heard it. A high-pitched, echoing laughter. So dark it couldn't possibly be human, the mere sound just by hearing it would make one cannot help but feel despair. Up and down, or even left and right are uncertain in this space, she is standing alone. There is no sign of Dante nearby. It can't be. Right now he is, beyond Beryl's gaze---in the palace of the endlessly spreading darkness, where a fierce battle is unfolding. His opponent, is the Demon King himself? It's so large that it surpasses all the demons she has ever dealt with or have seen, a body structure that gives the impression of immeasurable power. It is so strong that she felt like falling down just by looking at it, an intimidating feeling she had no way of resisting. It's appearance, she cannot capture it as an image. Only the coagulate darkness

so now, we've Mundus operating near the limits of the tournament speed-wise with the added benefits of omnipresence throughout an infinite Void, and now Dante is immersed in that void.

what does Dante do now? well, go out, stand in the endless Void, dodge all of Mundus's attacks and destroy him.

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The dark body, which was thought to never take damage, groaned and shuddered in pain.

"That's a good voice. Give me more."

Fierce gunshots roared, and countless bullets turned into arrows of light that ran through the Demon King.

The mere balls of lead that weren't anything special made even the supposed overwhelming being that is the Demon King suffer in pain, hurting him and even eventually causing him to creep away.

But of course, the Demon King wasn't just going to sit back and let himself be beaten.

His countless arms swung down swords, rained down arrows of demonic power, and fired bolts of lightning, all in an attempt to bury the insolent challenger.

"You are naive, Mundus. I already know what you're capable of."

As he said that, Dante's footwork was light and he ran through the empty space, avoiding most of the attacks.

Furthermore, his counterattacks were painfully delivered upon the Demon King, inflicting fatal wounds.

The Demon King, Mundus, could not understand this.

He was supposed to be an absolute being, an eternal ruler free from even the flow of time, and to rule over all things in creation.

Yet now, here was an opponent who had power that could rival his--

Nay, perhaps this opponent is even more powerful than he is.

so now, what does this mean? well, what it means is that even if a character gains omnipresence while his reaction and combat speed function at the limits of the tournament, due to the sheer skill gap, they still won't be able to touch Dante

𝔓𝔞𝔯𝔱 ℑℑℑ - 𝔇𝔢𝔪𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔠 𝔐𝔞𝔤𝔦𝔠 𝔬𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔳𝔦𝔢𝔴

  • Demonic Aura - Dante, just like other demons, has a demonic aura and a massive presence potent enough to cause things to explode but in addition, he can impose the primordial instinct of fear on things that should logically be completely unbounded by such a concept, Dante's demonic Aura is so potent that even inanimate objects, which should have no concept of fear, are absolutely terrified at his mere presence.
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Demonic Aura can also passively soul crush, which includes life, energy, mind, memory and all those components.

  • Sparda's darkness - Dante has shown the power to consume and engulf something in darkness, completely negating their powers and reverting them back to their original powerless states, which seems to be innate to Sparda's power more than anything else, Dante used this against a demon to negate their power and transformation and revert them back into their normal state.
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if you get consumed in the darkness, your powers are simply nullified and so are your transformations by Dante's demonic energy.

  • Ebony and Ivory - with Ebony and Ivory, if the attacks land, they can downright disintegrate your existence, as in break you down molecule to molecule to the point that there aren't even any atoms left, deconstructed on a sub-atomic level, obviously, this is deconstruction on a sub-atomic level.
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  • Gilgamesh - With Gilgamesh, Dante has the power to manipulate the composition of organic matter to turn them into metals nearly instantly, he absorbs them and then uses their essence to construct steel.
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any organic ability or matter on the battlefield will simply be manipulated by Dante.

  • Analytical Prediction - Dante is capable of combating Chen on equal footing via abusing his analytical prediction and ability to predict Chen's moves, his analytical prediction more or less works on the same level as Chen's precognition, which is something that goes beyond time itself and can see all futures instantly, more or less a buffed version of Almighty from a recognition standpoint, it goes volumes to speak about Dante's sheer intelligence to have analytical prediction of that level.
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Anything Mu will think of doing, Dante will predict and counter instinctively.

Demonic Adaptations - Dante has the power to evolve and go past hax, as he did to weapons that are anti-devil and absorb demonic energy which had previously affected him.

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What does this mean? if an ability doesn't one-shot Dante, then it will simply be adapted to, countered and beaten.

  • Sparda's Sealing - Innately, beings of Sparda are capable of sealing demons and things away, Dante's sealing is even more potent than Sparda's, now why does this matter? because this means Dante's sealing is greater than Sparda's entirely, which means that Dante can downright be scaled to Sparda sealing away entire planes of existence.
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so Dante's sealing potency is beyond characters that can seal the entirety of the Demon realm, and Dante can seal things up in something as casual as Ebony and ivory bullets, what does this mean? Dante can seal up entire dimensions casually.

  • The Smell of Fear – a power that renders Dante completely invulnerable to upto three moves, likely a result of gameplay mechanism as there is no lore reason for the three move limit to even exist, the invulnerability is achieved through intangibility.
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  • King Cereberus - another unique item that allows Dante to basically cool down things and freeze them to absolute zero temperatures, just the classic temperature and Ice manipulation tool.
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  • The Yamato - now the craziest one of them all, Yamato, The prized possession of Sparda and the most powerful weapon in the setting, one of its main powers is to literally manipulate existence and split it into two, giving power its own form and being, separating power from heart aka the individual, and thus leaving one powerless, because the power has been transformed into a new existence.
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one slash of the Yamato, and there is no more <insert opponent>, There is now Heart and Power.

  • More on Yamato - naturally, Sparda beings are resistant to the Saviour as shown by Dante not being absorbed by Saviour and the fact that the Saviour and that Nero could not initially be absorbed by the Saviour either, only way to absorb it is to negate the innate sparda resistance to it, and well, Yamato can cut apart a resistance in two with ease.

this should contain the scans and with this in mind, any resistance you present, is potentially negated as well, so be careful in what you present

𝔓𝔞𝔯𝔱 ℑ𝔙 - 𝔉𝔦𝔯𝔰𝔱 ℜ𝔢𝔳𝔢𝔩𝔞𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫 :𝔍𝔲𝔡𝔤𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱 ℭ𝔲𝔱

Judgement Cut cutting a dimension in pieces like Glass
Judgement Cut cutting a dimension in pieces like Glass

Judgement Cut is the most iconic and used ability of the Yamato, and the first of Dante's multiple sections I intend to reveal throughout the tournament but simply don't feel the need to, yet. Judgement cut is less of a technique and more of a transference of the area of affect of the Yamato, it transports Yamato's slashes to seprate spatial coordinates.

The Nature of Judgement Cut

as I explained above, Judgement cut works via transporting the slashes to seprate spatial coordinates, this is how one conventionally attacks with the Yamato, the traditional way.

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but this is transformed by judgement cut, it allows you to manifest the slashes at a distance and a spatial coordinate, and thus it becomes very difficult for you to even counter it.

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Judgement cut can be used to achieve extreme Area of Effect surround the caster of the Judgement cut.

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or it can be used to land blows on an enemy directly, bypassing the conventional requirements.

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Judgement Cut can cut apart spacetime completely, it just saves Vergil or Dante the bother of even having to move a single step, spacetime simply omnidirectionally crumbles away when a decent judgement cut is used.

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Area of Effect of Judgement Cut

The area of affect is never really made clear as there is no hard limit shown but I think a certain line of thought should give us an idea of the upper limits of the judgement cut, come from this scan.

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this line of thinking would include taking this into account, thinking of it i realized the true implication of this scan is that it can seprate entire worlds, and in this context, it seprated Demon World from Human World.

when looking back at the manga, I realize, Mundus openly talks about merging the worlds before Sparda's rebellion, and thus I conclude that it's entirely probable that the demon world and Human world were already fused by Mundus into one world and it was sparda, after the battle with Mundus and his army, seprated the tao worlds again and this time sealed up the demon realm.

and this is completely possible, as we know Pluto, who was beneath Mundus, who was far beneath Sparda was able to split the universe in two with his spear, and his narrative wasn't even space manipulation like Yamato, really, there would be no logic behind someone like Pluto having greater power of the same kind than a weapon of Sparda and something of immense power on it's own.

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so I conclude Judgement Cut's range is good enough to be operating at the limits of the tounrament, as we know, the split between demon world and the human world was done in such a manner that human world (light) pretty much was a massive cut in the demon world (darkness), assuming Sparda returned the world to the same as it was before.

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From this, I would argue the Range of judgement cut is at the minimum logically operating at the limits of this tournament, it's hard to quantify, but it's impossible to see anything below Star level as the range, so for now I would argue Star level range for Judgement Cut.

The Abilities of Judgement Cut

as I've explained, Judgement cut isn't some form of new technique, it's simply the extension of the target of Yamato and the extension of it's area of affect, and thus it retains all the abilities of the conventional Yamato, Yamato's slicing scales from Rebellion as Yamato's gimmick is the sword that seprates and Rebellion reunites so Yamato gets all the slicing feats of Rebellion as well, to list all the abilities and slicing.

Final worlds on Judgement Cut

you've to counter all the above lethal abilities on a star level range while also keeping in mind how resistances would simply be negated due to the resistance negation mechanism of the Judgement Cut, Good luck.

𝔓𝔞𝔯𝔱 𝔙 - 𝔄𝔡𝔞𝔭𝔱𝔞𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫: 𝔒𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔠𝔬𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔶𝔬𝔲𝔯 𝔓𝔬𝔴𝔢𝔯

now what I would reckon is the part most would've been looking forward to, how I adapt and overcome the abilities that have been presented by Mass, simply, I'm going to establish a certain feat, and then go over and counter your abilities with two sub-sections, seems like a fair way of conduct.

𝔄𝔯𝔤𝔬𝔰𝔞𝔵'𝔰 𝔚𝔞𝔯𝔭

This section will include one of the most important feats around regarding resistance in Devil May Cry, so I will like if you pay attention to this section completely so you understand where a lot of later arguments come from. in Devil May Cry II, after the defeat of Mundus, due to demons and humans alike, and Sparda's seal weakening over hundreds of years, Argosax the Chaos, the second Demon Emperor was released into the world.

as I explained before, both Argosax and Mundus are Demon Gods, but their nature differs that where for Mundus merging the world is a need, for Argosax the transformation of the world into it's base form, the form the primordial world began as, is a need. Argosax is closely connected to the Demon realm in ways that allow his existence to do a phenomenon described as the merging of the world, well not exactly, it's described as the demon realm consuming the world.

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Additional Context - Dante was summoned to defeat Argosax, which is described as something that would stop the demon world from consuming the human world.

but in reality, it was not the demon world which was consuming the human world, that cannot happen, that has never happen, the seal between the worlds was reestablished between the games, what was really happening was that the human world was being warped and was being returned to its primordial state.

The Original form of everything, was Darkness, the world was born of darkness as the first line in the manga suggested.

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Darkness in this context isn't just void or space, darkness in this context is the demon realm, existing in its very base, the primordial nature of existence.

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basically, Argosax was the demon world in the context, consuming and turning the world back into the demon realm by just the sheer demonic energy, manipulating everything back to original form, the entire cosmology was going to be warped into the primordial darkness by the Eclipse/Argosax.

why does this matter? the demon realm differs in a lot of ways than the human world, on a fundamental level, for example, for a teeny tiny example.

The Demon realm stops time, connects the dimensions of time and turns the world into mind-warping/TP inducing
The Demon realm stops time, connects the dimensions of time and turns the world into mind-warping/TP inducing

and this is just one Teeny Tiny example of what would need to be done for the universe to be turned into the primordial darkness of demon realm, but the above would mean Argosax's existence Telepathically dominated accross dimensions, connections dimensions of times and stopped conventional time.

why does this matter? simple, every effect of Argosax's warp, which was on the scale of the human world which I explained operated at the absolute limit of this tournament, was resisted by Dante when Dante stomped him and basically called him light work.

This includes every difference between Demon World and Human world, and there are like a dozen of them. So keep this in mind when I counter inidividual abilities.

𝔈𝔰𝔠𝔞𝔭𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔶𝔬𝔲𝔯 𝔓𝔯𝔦𝔰𝔬𝔫

100,000,000 melting point (that's several times hotter than the Sun)

that does not impress me, any random demon can tank all the weapons from modern humanity and not fall and instead kill them all.

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this includes barrages of Nuclear Weapons, which can reach temperatures of 100,000,000 momentarily individually, while comparetively, Dante's fire powers such as Agni&Rudra certainly bypasses that level of heat resistance.

Absolute Zero fortitude

and now I shall invoke power scaling, King Cereberus is a high level demon with ice powers and thus would logically upscale from these demons that can cause sub absolute zero ice.

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Star Level Durability.

Dante has never struggled to cut through that and he always can just judgement cut.

Impossible to phase through

Impossible to use Space Skill including portals and teleportation

That doesn't mean anything, all Demons come with the basic ability to dimensional travel, but Sparda's seal negated all methods for demons to cross over to the human world, even Mundus, Yamato however ignores this seal entirely, and thus no spatial lockdown of any sort is stopping Yamato since it's enhanced.

Why can't Dante judgement Cut out of this prison?

𝔬𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔠𝔬𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔶𝔬𝔲𝔯 𝔭𝔬𝔴𝔢𝔯𝔰

Star Level Aura

That doesn't do anything, Dante is easily handling Star level power, Argosax's aura itself was doing feats of an atleast compareable scale.

Instantaneous reconstruction

Quantum Level regeneration

not worried, considering I'm cutting the very existence in two, I'm not worried about regeneration.

Star Level Mind Manipulation

Star Level Soul Manipulation

The Earlier tie in I established between Soul and Mind allows me to counter them by just posting one instance, but I will be generous and post both, considering Argosax's Warp was affecting both accross the verse.

both on atleast Star range due to human world size, Dante didn't even notice these

Black Hole Creation

Black Hole Precision Spamming

Black Holes work on something following the law of gravity, a demon, by it's very nature can deviate from the laws of reality on which reality is founded.

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so overall, I see no reason why Dante can't just ignore a blackhole, he follows the laws because they're convineant to him, it's not like he is forced to

Space Destruction

I am not worried about this at all, Dante can withstand Judgement Cut from Vergil and well...

so space destruction is one of the things not worrying.

Space Manipulation and Control

yet another application of Argosax's warp, to turn Human world into Demon World, the human world needs to be filled off with countless continous space-time loops of the same event, no demon notices this, Dante doesn't notice this from Argosax.

Portal Creation

cut the part of reality where the portal actually manifests

Void Interaction

Shrugs

Multi-Planetary Sonic Resonance

just Multi planetary huh? tanks.

Molecular Destruction

Every Demon is immune to the Beasthead Assimilation process which involves breaking down matter to the point it becomes basic energy.

Radiation Destruction

refer back to the argument regarding Deviating from the laws of the universe and the argument regarding how any demon is immune to all weapons of humanity, radiation included.

and even if a resistance is somehow bypassed, Devil Trigger makes you immune to abiities that you cannot even resist.

ℭ𝔬𝔫𝔠𝔩𝔲𝔰𝔦𝔬𝔫𝔰

Currently, I don't feel threatened by your abilities, your last comment gives me hope that the second post would reveal all the cards on Mu and bring in a bunch of impressive abilities, I would look forward to the counter.

To conclude this, I would simply write a short summary on the abilities and powers that I believe Dante possesses and the stats, the same way you handled the conclusion of your post, I will list the abiities I think may play a factor.

  • Clearly Star level Attack Potency
  • Clearly Star level Physical strength
  • Clearly Stat level durability
  • MFTL combat speed
  • Insane skill feats, some of the best feats you will find anywhere.
  • Power Nullification
  • Reactive Evolution
  • Adaptation
  • Soul, Power, Mind, Thoughts, Life etc Absorption and destruction via Soul physiology.
  • Power Nullification via Sparda's darkness.
  • Dimensional sealing
  • Sub Absolute Zero (Via King Cerebrus)
  • Arguably >100,000,000C temps via Agni
  • Sub Atomic Deconstruction

and ofcourse, the abilities presented with Yamato, and the fact the area of effect is increased to the limits of this tournament by judgement cut as well as the fact it allows the weilder to target spatial coordinates instead of just having to swing the sword to cut down space, on top, the spatial applications of Yamato are enhanced, as shown by it cutting down demons, basically you need.

  • Soul Slicing
  • Mind Slicing
  • Life Slicing
  • Power Slicing
  • Memory Slicing
  • Void Slicing
  • Energy Slicing
  • Space-Time Slicing (Enhanced)
  • Existence Splitting

resistances on the scale of the limit of the tournament, and even if you do, you've to remember, its I who control the resistances.

1. Yamato can remove resistances

2. Devil Trigger can grant resistance to a technique one has been seen before.

so you've to get past my control over resistances of both ends as well, can you do it? that has to be seen. I also intend to make it clear, we have not even gone over all the Yamato abilities yet so what I'm trying to say is, I hope Mu's True power can push Dante to a portion of his true power.

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same OP fans having to repeat "OP wins!!!" multiple times in the thread in order to develope a false consensus, is pathetic.

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Why has this not been locked yet? Luffy alone can solo this 😂

You guys already got the answer why.

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stop begging the mods to lock a highly contested thread, it's getting desperately pathetic.

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A Good CAV from a couple of reliable debaters.

My vote goes to Cosmic/Phantasm for the simple reason that the main argument presented was Bloodman flooding the battlefield and respectfully, I did not find shirso's counterarguments potent at all. Shireo's counterarguments with the black box felt like a reach, the direct comparision and connection Shirso attempted to establish between Devil Fruits and Moria weren't exactly as useful as I thought they would be.

as pointed, Shirso critiqued Cosmic for his character not showing an ability onscreen but then he uses an entirely theoretical ability that was never used onscreen either? the attempt to define Moria's abilities as conceptual and reality Manipulation on feats and accolades so little just felt exaggerated. overall I think cosmic kept down to his hax and original win conditions while Shirso had to either exaggerate or failed to properly get around cosmic's victory conditions.

So Yes, I think Shirso did a good job but Cosmic flatly outdebated, this excites me for the future.

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God of War: Ragnarok beats 3 comfortably.

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@kreigastartis: unsure, Kenjaku can't counter lightning speed at all, only Gojo and Sukuna can, I am willing to rep Satoru Gojo.