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Posted by comkid100

I don't mind Tim's parents being alive since they were alive in the original origin but one thing but really annoys me is that Tim's last name after it being changed by witness protection is Drake so that means his last name originally isn't Drake. WTF

Posted by TheMess1428

His mother died right before he became Robin. His dad died during.

Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher

And then didn't his stepmother go crazy or something?

Posted by TheMess1428

@Nathaniel_Christopher: I'm not sure about that. I never read any stories with his stepmother in it.

Posted by Durakken

I forget if she was ever actually his "step-mother" I don't recall them ever marrying and I believe she just disappeared after Tim's father died. After that point Tim messed with files and pretended to be looked after by an uncle who was given "guardianship" which isn't the same as adoption.

Posted by wessaari

it really isnt that bad, people who go into it with a negative mindset are going to have a negative reaction. i know Drake's origins, they are different but the point of the New 52 is to make things different than before, is it perfect HELL NO. but for goodness sakes it wasnt that damn bad. there is a 5 year timeline shit has to get compressed. so making hima star athlete will make his training easier. his hacking skills make him a better detective. does he suffer from pride and hubris, yes but hes a kid. he learns. this isnt going to be the exact same Tim Drake, and people who are expecting that, im sorry but this isnt the point of the story. i dont peronsally care for Lobdell's Titans but in terms of a New 52 origin, this wasnt bad

Posted by TheMess1428

@wessaari: The fact that they took away Tim discovering Batman and Nightwing were Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson all by himself, takes away from who he truly was and how special he was. That is one of the biggest things wrong with his origin.

Edited by Scott_Lobdell

Do you own a bar of soap? Could you use it next time you make one of your videos? Thanks.

Posted by KnightRise

@TheMess1428 said:

@wessaari: The fact that they took away Tim discovering Batman and Nightwing were Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson all by himself, takes away from who he truly was and how special he was. That is one of the biggest things wrong with his origin.

Bruce did say Tim got closer to it than anyone else ever did, even wihout the planted clues. I mean, he's Batman, mourning or not, I think he'd have some awareness of someone digging at his identity. I think Tim would've have gotten it eventually. The "I saw Robin do a move only the Flying Graysons could" was kind of blunt and ham-fisted; more fanboy than detective work.

Posted by Lvenger

@TheMess1428: Is this you in the video? And one thing a reviewer said about this issue was that the change of Batman planting clues for Tim to find instead of Tim deducing Batman's identity himself is that it makes more sense. Here's the actual quote from the Superman Homepage:

"I think aspects of the new take on Tim's origin are a lot smoother than his first introduction more than twenty years ago. I've never been able to swallow that a nine-year-old could deduce the identity of Batman. In the New 52, Tim is still exceptionally bright, but it makes more sense that Batman would be able to keep tabs on the boy. That Batman plants clues that lead Tim to a meeting with the Dark Knight just feels much better."

Edited by TheMess1428

@Scott_Lobdell said:

Do you own a bar of soap? Could you use it next time you make one of your videos? Thanks.

Scott? Is that really you? I bathe everyday. So if that's really you, its probably a bad idea to post comments like that for your fans to read.

@KnightRise said:

Bruce did say Tim got closer to it than anyone else ever did, even without the planted clues. I mean, he's Batman, mourning or not, I think he'd have some awareness of someone digging at his identity. I think Tim would've have gotten it eventually. The "I saw Robin do a move only the Flying Graysons could" was kind of blunt and ham-fisted; more fanboy than detective work.

I understand that, but not actually getting to the answer, whether on his own or not, takes that part away from him. If he had just found out instead of being told when Batman took him in, then I would have felt better about it.

@Lvenger said:

Is this you in the video? And one thing a reviewer said about this issue was that the change of Batman planting clues for Tim to find instead of Tim deducing Batman's identity himself is that it makes more sense. Here's the actual quote from the Superman Homepage:

"I think aspects of the new take on Tim's origin are a lot smoother than his first introduction more than twenty years ago. I've never been able to swallow that a nine-year-old could deduce the identity of Batman. In the New 52, Tim is still exceptionally bright, but it makes more sense that Batman would be able to keep tabs on the boy. That Batman plants clues that lead Tim to a meeting with the Dark Knight just feels much better."

Yeah I do a weekly YouTube series where I talk about what is messed up in comic book stories and the comic book industry.

He wasn't 9, was he?

Posted by KnightRise

@TheMess1428: Tim was around nine. He discovered their identities storywise back when Dick was Robin, so he had to be years younger than his first appearence

Posted by TheMess1428

@KnightRise: Well he just noticed it while he was 9, then. If he had gone around looking for Batman at 9, it'd be a different story. It's like Dick's new origin. He wasn't all that old in it but he had some rough detective skills. He was never considered the detective of the Robins. He just had good common sense and picked up on clues quickly. He ultimately fine-tuned that so that as Nightwing and Batman, he could be basically a junior detective. And in his new origin story, he had these new Sherlock Holmes style detective skills where he noticed every little thing and could figure out that Batman and Bruce Wayne were the same person based on the first time he met them both. That type of details should have been saved for Tim but they gave it to Dick.

Posted by Lvenger

@TheMess1428:

  1. Nope the reviewer was an adult.
  2. Yes that is Scott Lobdell. He does have an account on Comicvine so that is him.
  3. Do you actually like any comic books if you don't mind my asking? Specifically from the New 52.
Posted by TheMess1428

@Lvenger said:

@TheMess1428:

  1. Nope the reviewer was an adult.
  2. Yes that is Scott Lobdell. He does have an account on Comicvine so that is him.
  3. Do you actually like any comic books if you don't mind my asking? Specifically from the New 52.

I was referring to Tim being a kid, not the reviewer.

I like a lot of comic books. My current favorites are: Batman, Justice League, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Nightwing, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Amazing Spider-Man, Scarlet Spider, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and Teen Titans. I keep reading Teen Titans regardless of if I like the stories or not.

Posted by Lvenger

@TheMess1428: Oh my bad. In Tim's original appearence he was supposed to be quite young, 9-11 and the fact a child deduced Batman's secret identity seems a tad preposterous. Tim's my favourite Robin by far just for clarification but that was a bit much even for a comic book.

Posted by TheMess1428

@Lvenger: Nightwing is my favorite hero of all but I love all the Robins as a whole. I appreciate the way they interact with each other. Dick, Jason, and Tim were prime definitive examples of Oldest, Middle, and Youngest Child Syndromes. And Damian has Only Child Syndrome.

Posted by htb106

I really liked this issue.

Just try and enjoy the changes that TheNew 52 makes instead of wanting everything to stay the same.

Posted by TheMess1428

@htb106: Watch my next episode on Monday. I explain how some changes are good and some are bad.

Posted by Scott_Lobdell

Actually, Mess -- This is hard for you to hear, but all you can do is express what YOU FEEL are good changes and bad changes. You thinking something doesn't make it true, it only makes it what you think.

Posted by TheMess1428

@Scott_Lobdell said:

Actually, Mess -- This is hard for you to hear, but all you can do is express what YOU FEEL are good changes and bad changes. You thinking something doesn't make it true, it only makes it what you think.

The thing is, Mr. Lobdell, is that I don't care if what comes out of my mouth is either fact or opinion. Because the point is that I'm not the only one who feels this way. There are tons of other people as well. I may not be the appointed or self-appointed voice of the people but I care enough to speak up. I care about the comics I like. I care about the characters I like. I care about the creators who tell stories for them. And I care about the fans who also care about those things. And because I care about them, I have decided to share with them my views and what is going on out there. There is a reason why I'm not forcing my opinions on others and asking viewers for their suggestions towards what they believe is "messed up." I care about their opinions too. I can't really say if you care about those opinions too because I'm not you and I don't know you personally. But what the people really want is for you, and everyone else in the comic book industry, to care about their opinions too.

Edited by The_Tree

@Scott_Lobdell said:

Do you own a bar of soap? Could you use it next time you make one of your videos? Thanks.

Do you own pencils, pens, paper, or a computer? Could you throw them into the garbage before you think about writing again? Thanks. How tactless coming from a "professional" writer, I sincerely hope it's not you, Scott.

@TheMess1428: Don't mind Scott, he's just mad that he couldn't write a good issue of Teen Titans or Superboy to save his life. Keep up the vids, man.

Posted by Scott_Lobdell

Mess: Tons? Interesting metric. (At least we both agree on the value of your opinion! LOL!)

Tree: Wow, you are so clever the way you took what I said and then gave it a spin but used "writing" instead of "hygiene."

I would be curious under what conditions you would imagine that I would have to write a good story in order to save my life. Do you mean, like, if someone actually had a gun to my head and he would kill me if I don't manage to write a "good" story (and by whose measurement? His? Yours? By sales? By a jury of, say, twelve comic fans?). Or you thinking it would be more like a situation where I have some sort of physical condition that requires special surgery and the only way I can afford it is to write a "good" Teen Titans or Superboy story?

Personally, I not only find both scenarios kind of far fetched (I can't imagine someone caring that much about a story that they would threaten to shoot someone based on the outcome, and it is also unlikely that I would need exactly the amount of money that a standard comic book issue would generate in order to raise the money necessary for surgery) but since you brought it up I am very curious what you were thinking about exactly.

Edited by TheMess1428

@Scott_Lobdell: I just wanted to let you know, Scott, that while other people complain about your stories in RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS, I have been defending them. I love those comics. They're good. Issue #0 was a bit out there but it wasn't bad. The only ones I had to complain about was TEEN TITANS. Remember that next time you think I just don't like you or anything you write.

Edited by The_Tree

@Scott_Lobdell said:

Mess: Tons? Interesting metric. (At least we both agree on the value of your opinion! LOL!)

Tree: Wow, you are so clever the way you took what I said and then gave it a spin but used "writing" instead of "hygiene."

I would be curious under what conditions you would imagine that I would have to write a good story in order to save my life. Do you mean, like, if someone actually had a gun to my head and he would kill me if I don't manage to write a "good" story (and by whose measurement? His? Yours? By sales? By a jury of, say, twelve comic fans?). Or you thinking it would be more like a situation where I have some sort of physical condition that requires special surgery and the only way I can afford it is to write a "good" Teen Titans or Superboy story?

Personally, I not only find both scenarios kind of far fetched (I can't imagine someone caring that much about a story that they would threaten to shoot someone based on the outcome, and it is also unlikely that I would need exactly the amount of money that a standard comic book issue would generate in order to raise the money necessary for surgery) but since you brought it up I am very curious what you were thinking about exactly.

Are you really so pathetic that you have to deconstruct a figure of speech? Haha, okay, I'll bite.

As for sales, money talks, Scott, and looking at the yearly sales for Teen Titans, you started off strong in September 2011 with 73,675 copies sold, but look how far you've plummeted in August of 2012: 45,367 copies sold. People are losing interest in what you're doing. Your monthly average of copies sold for TT in its first year was about 51,211 copies, and that was with the help of a relaunch backing you.

Then while looking at Geoff Johns' run on the Teen Titans, it kept a consistent fanbase. And a side note, I started calculating Johns' run with issue 3, not issue 1, that should've given you some leeway, but it didn't. Johns' monthly average from issue 3 to 14: 67,576. That was also without the help of a company wide relaunch.

If you were in such a situation, you'd better hope you have a nice jury, and if you wanted to go by my measurement for quality, you probably wouldn't even be alive right now. :)

*Side Note: Just so it's not misconstrued, "couldn't write a good issue of Teen Titans or Superboy to save his life." and everything posted that's associated with death is clearly a figure of speech or part of it, not a death threat.

Posted by TheMess1428

@The_Tree: Hey can you tone it down a bit? I don't want to be associated with something that could be misconstrued to be a death threat towards DC staff. Especially after Scott saying someone wants to put a bomb under his bed.

Edited by The_Tree

@TheMess1428: Okay, got it. Sorry. I added a bit of a note to make sure things don't get misconstrued. If you want me to add anything else for better clarification, just say the word.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Opinions running wild the night

Posted by TheMess1428

@The_Tree: I think it's pretty clear now. Well the only person who might want to misconstrue it on purpose is Scott. But that's on him. lol

Posted by CapFanboy

@TheMess1428: @Scott_Lobdell: @The_Tree:

Guys....you all need to calm the f**k down.

Posted by TheMess1428

@CapFanboy: Dude. I'm very calm. I'm not offended or mad or anything like that. I'm rather amused.

Posted by The_Tree

@CapFanboy: I've simmered down now. I apologize for my pretty heated behavior. I just hope Scott realizes that not he's not immune to criticisms, and that just because he's considered a professional writer around here, he doesn't have the privilege to go around trolling or making fun of users. Again, I'm sorry.

Posted by CapFanboy

@TheMess1428 said:

@CapFanboy: Dude. I'm very calm. I'm not offended or mad or anything like that. I'm rather amused.

Just a general thing...

@The_Tree said:

@CapFanboy: I've simmered down now. I apologize for my pretty heated behavior. I just hope Scott realizes that not he's not immune to criticisms, and that just because he's considered a professional writer around here, he doesn't have the privilege to go around trolling or making fun of users. Again, I'm sorry.

No problem, all is well with the world.

Scotty, we're waiting for you....okay that sounded slightly less PG than was intended...

Posted by Illuminatus

@Scott_Lobdell said:

Do you own a bar of soap? Could you use it next time you make one of your videos? Thanks.

You're an awful writer and always have been.

Posted by Illuminatus

Scott Lobdell is an absolute joke. That's the truth of it. Any writer who feels the need to come on the internet and defend his mediocrity while condescending users shouldn't be allowed to work in the industry again.

Posted by blackadamFTW

@Scott_Lobdell: If you're actually Scott Lobdell, then f**k off.

If you're a troll pretending to be Scott Lobdell, then, still, f**k off.

Posted by TheMess1428

@blackadamFTW: It's really him.

Posted by Imagine_Man15

@Scott_Lobdell: Scott, I generally like your writing. Red Hood and the Outlaws is one of my favorite books on the shelves right now, I enjoyed what I read of your Superboy run, and while Teen Titans isn't my favorite book, I've enjoyed it well enough. I like you. Please, don't ruin it doing crap like this. Either ignore criticism or respond to it in a mature and professional way.

I sincerely hope that this is just a troll pretending to be Scott Lobdell, because I really don't want to pick up the next issue of RHATO and get caught up thinking about the immaturity of the writer.

Posted by Dark_Vengeance_

Well this is going places..... I wonder if other writers have accounts here.

Posted by Dark_Vengeance_

@Scott_Lobdell: For what is worth I liked what you did with Tim's origin, and keep up with the good work on RHATO, I really have not read Superboy so I can't tell you my opinion about it.

Posted by SandMan_

...Wow...lol

Posted by TheMess1428

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Scott_Lobdell: Scott, I generally like your writing. Red Hood and the Outlaws is one of my favorite books on the shelves right now, I enjoyed what I read of your Superboy run, and while Teen Titans isn't my favorite book, I've enjoyed it well enough. I like you. Please, don't ruin it doing crap like this. Either ignore criticism or respond to it in a mature and professional way.

I sincerely hope that this is just a troll pretending to be Scott Lobdell, because I really don't want to pick up the next issue of RHATO and get caught up thinking about the immaturity of the writer.

I know, right? I don't do my show to insult and bad mouth creators and editors just because I can or because of something as small as me not liking something they wrote. I do my show so that people can be aware of things that not generally good and create awareness that most of these things should change for the better. If any of the creators I have talked about want to respond to me, I'd hope it was in a professional way as well. At least debate with me on an intellectual level. Not insult me childishly.

Posted by CapFanboy

Guys, maybe he's just having an off-day...

Posted by wessaari

@TheMess1428: hey man just think of it this way. the guy is under alot of stress, he is writing 3 different titles, is in constant work with his artists, editors, executives at DC, trying to make the 2 crossovers that he is work, tackle on his own social agenda etc. people are so up in arms about the Tim Drake controversy that he has recieved death threats, ya people are that immature. was what he did immature, yes. in hindsight, was it the smartest move, no. but i really think seeing a video on a website that he really likes and personally goes to on a sufficient basis, bad-mouthing his work (even though that wasnt your intention), he said something that was rude and as you said childish. do i think Scott is a bad guy, hell no. do i think he is embarrassed that he did that, hell yes. so if he doesnt apologize, its most likely that he feels bad or is uber busy, all i can say is cut him a little slack in that department, and keep doing what you're doing, thats why we got freedom of speech

Edited by TheMess1428

@wessaari: Think about this for a second. He edited his original post to say what he said. So whatever he said first (whether or not it was just typos) he went back and edited it to be what it is now. That means he really wanted it to say that.

EDIT: Actually now that I looked it up in my inbox, it was just a typo. But regardless, he had the chance to change his mind about what he said and he didn't.

Posted by BatWatch

@TheMess1428:

Do we have any particular reason to believe that is actually Lobdell?

@wessaari:

I don't really get the whole "He is extremely busy," idea. Writing three ongoing comics does seem like it could be a full time job, but no more than a full-time job. All us regular schmoes put in forty hour weeks and are able to get our projects done. Why can't Lobdell?

I mean, I could draft a good quality comic in at least ten hours. Even if he spend another thirty hours hammering out details with the creative staff, that still leaves him forty hours to twiddle his thumb for an entire week if he works forty hours a week.

Maybe he writes comics and does other work projects, and that would be understandable, but if this is his only job, I cannot see any reason for coming up with such lousy work in Teen Titans.

Posted by TheMess1428

@PsychoKnights: Sad thing is, that is him. He and a couple other creators actually use this site like we do. A lot of people have confirmed that to be him.

Posted by batmanary

@wessaari said:

@TheMess1428: hey man just think of it this way. the guy is under alot of stress, he is writing 3 different titles, is in constant work with his artists, editors, executives at DC, trying to make the 2 crossovers that he is work, tackle on his own social agenda etc. people are so up in arms about the Tim Drake controversy that he has recieved death threats, ya people are that immature. was what he did immature, yes. in hindsight, was it the smartest move, no. but i really think seeing a video on a website that he really likes and personally goes to on a sufficient basis, bad-mouthing his work (even though that wasnt your intention), he said something that was rude and as you said childish. do i think Scott is a bad guy, hell no. do i think he is embarrassed that he did that, hell yes. so if he doesnt apologize, its most likely that he feels bad or is uber busy, all i can say is cut him a little slack in that department, and keep doing what you're doing, thats why we got freedom of speech

No excuse. I'm sure that there are tons of viners that have important jobs that keep them hella busy. Being stressed is understandable, but it doesn't give you an excuse to just go around being condescending to others for not liking your work.

Posted by BatWatch

@TheMess1428 said:

@PsychoKnights: Sad thing is, that is him. He and a couple other creators actually use this site like we do. A lot of people have confirmed that to be him.

That's too bad. Why did he tell you to use a bar of soap? I assume that relates to the video, but I'm on lunch at work, and the video is blocked.

I have mixed feelings about Lobdell being rude. I hate what Lobdell has done to Tim but I like what he has done with Jason. I'm torn between being disappointed a professional is acting like he is in middle school and being glad to see that the guy who has screwed over Tim is indeed a douche. My annoyance at Lobdell now feels more legitimate, but it's still kind of sad for any adult to act that way.

Did you say anything provocative in your video?

Posted by TheMess1428

@PsychoKnights: I'm not sure why he chose to ask if I bathe because I usually take a shower right before I film. Maybe I just stumped him. I don't think I really said anything provocative. All I did was complain about how Teen Titans #0 was written for Tim's origin and the changes he has made.

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