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- Exactly my point.

- Additionally, Bruce sees this and does nothing about it. He doesn't kill want to kill the Joker, or probably even stop him, and he doesn't attempt to address the legal system at all.

1. Why Bruce does not kill The Joker once and for all? 2. Why is the Joker still alive regardless?

1.

- As far as i'm concerned, it's because he's an idiot and the writers are Joker fanboys who are employed by a company that is scared of Changing the status quo.

- There is no logical reason for the joker to be alive and no logical reason for Bruce, and everyone else, not to kill this idiot on sight.

- However, Bruce is just as to blame for the Joker's killings as the Joker is.

- Honestly, i feel like Bruce himself is Gotham's worst villain as he apparently needs the Joker to kill people so that he can temporarily put him away to quell his asinine insanity.

- In short, Bruce is just as much of a villain as the Joker himself and he is the Joker's accomplice in mass murder.

2.

- In short, there is no logical reason why this character should still be alive regardless of what Bruce does or doesn't have the wits to do.

- Additionally, i've made various posts around this site and others.

- Here is a post i made on another site a while back.

- Additionally, i have a problem with the joker.

- I would honestly like to know how this man manged to drop off the face of the earth, and avoid detection from ""The world's greatest detective" for over a year. I mean ,seriously.

- The man falls into a chemical vat and he is suddenly one of the smarted people on the planet?

- This problem doesn't even stem from the New 52, this issue persists from books such as Death in the Family, and even Batman #1 (1939?).

- Seriously, this guy should not even be able to lay hands on Batman and yet he does. Batman has fought the likes of Lady Shiva, Deathstroke and countless others, yet he consistently struggles with the joker and receives constant crowbars to the head. To top it off, the writers attempt to make excuses such as, and i quote, "Forgot how fast he is!". I don't really care how fast he is, Batman has undergone training in multiple forms of martial arts, from the world's greatest masters, there is no reason on this earth why the joker should be able to lay hands on Bruce. It's as if the writers up at DC said "hey, he's a good villain when he's far away from Batman and can plot, scheme and manipulate him from far away, so let's give the man a magical skill set so he can actually be a factor and do some damage".

- Moving away from that, and on to Death in the Family. There are an incredible amount of issues that i have with that book , so i'll try to stay on topic. In what possible way on this earth does the Joker evade Batman AND Superman? The man is subsequently shot on a helicopter, falls into the ocean and magically escapes the grasp of not only Batman, but Superman as well. Superman, with all of his super senses, was unable to locate the joker who had been shot and fell into the Ocean. Seriously DC, when the hell did the joker become Aquaman? At some point, this ridiculousness has to end. I'm not even going to go into the rest of that book at this point in time.

- On another note, i also feel as though any joker story will be cliche at this point. I mean seriously, what is he going to do next? Kill robin again? shoot batgirl again? kill alfred? Let's be serious here. This character has been tremendously overused, and i'm incredibly ecstatic that Snyder will be working on "Zero Year" for almost a year, so he won't be able to make anymore present cannon stories. Moreover why exactly is this man still alive? It's about time to be killed. I do believe that Bruce should have killed him, but the joker honestly should have been killed by someone by now. At what point does somebody put a stop to the repeated cycle of this man going to Arkham, subsequently breaking out -- as if they didn't know it was going to happen--, and killing thousands of people, only to repeat the process? This man walked into a police station and murdered damn near every single officer in the building. Are you serious DC? The man falls into a vat of chemicals, and he suddenly has magical unexplained powers and abilities? You have got to be kidding me. Additionally, does Snyder's Bruce actually believe that he's seen the last of the joker? Is it because the joker shouldn't have been able to survive that fall? The same way that Snyder's Bruce claimed that the joker hadn't made it as far into the cave as he actually did? Yes, more incredible amounts of arrogance and incompetency from Snyder's Batman, how wonderful.

- Now back to the Batman killing ordeal. This is incredibly ridiculous in my opinion. At what point is enough enough? It's clear (from poor writing or not) that Bruce can't do a damned thing to protect his family from the joker, and that he isn't willing to do what's necessary to keep them safe. At this point, i honestly feel like the joker could kill Alfred, Richard, Barbra, and Jason(again) and Bruce would only do so much as put him in Arkham. Moreover, you're telling me that everything this man has done, no one has killed him yet? You might as well call the joker God..

- In all seriousness, the Joker is one of the most illogical and ridiculous characters in all of comics.

- At what point is enough enough? If someone wanted to make a case as to why they thought comic books were stupid and or idiotic, they could read up on multiple Batman runs and make a pretty good case.

- However, these are just my opinions. Feel free to discuss yours.

- Over 70 years of existing through multiple mediums.

- I see why you would feel that way.

- However, i chose to look at it as Johns reestablishing previous continuity in the New 52 with his own twist. or take on it

- Fine by me.

- It seems that you are referring to Martian Manhunter with the bolded line and he is not a part of the JL.

- Additionally, i believe the box contains a gun.

- The funny thing is that i incredibly doubt that Clark would need whatever's in that Box to take Bruce down unless Bruce has his kryptonite ring.

- You decided to go off topic in a thread that "is not DC respect thread" and therefore, you deal with the consequences. Grow up.

- Yes, you are ignorant because you seem to think that i despise the work of Morrison(Yes, Morrison is the writer who i hate the most however, that is because of Batman related reasons and has nothing to do with his run on Action Comics) and Diggle because i stated that Johns is going to, and has already, disregarded) their kryptonite bit and write whatever he pleases.

- If you don't like what's happening in Justice League, there isn't a damned thing that you can do about it. It's canon now. Additionally, the events in Superman support my case via the scans shown above.

- Therefore, i have two series to your one and both of them have more importance than Action Comics. Have fun with that.

- Oh, and you're definitely a hypocrite. Before you have the audacity to tell me what to scans to and to not post, you should have the common sense to do the same. If you don't want non-Batman scans posted here, then don't post them here and tell me not to do the same.

- "End of conversation".

- Not a problem.

- That's always possible and vice versa.

- However, don't believe that Bruce would hold back to the extent that he would be completely at Jason's mercy and need Richard to save him.

- For example, in Batman: Under the Hood i would say that he was holding back and he got serious when needed. From my experience, if Bruce is holding back, he'll get serious before he gets his ass handed to him most of the time. This is why i don't believe that he was holding back.

- Additionally, Jason in the New 52 is more skilled than Pre New 52 Jason for various reasons.

- This is all an explanation of my thinking and nothing more.

2. It can't be used as a defeat in a random encounter however, it can be used as a general defeat.